Re: [TruthTalk] Once saved, always saved?

2002-12-22 Thread Marlin Halverson
"...adulterating Paul's gospel. That is NT 101!!!" Laura Are you saying that Paul's teachings do not harmonize with the rest of scripture? If so, which other books have to be torn out and burned? --Marlin

Re: [TruthTalk] Crucial Doctrines

2002-12-22 Thread Marlin Halverson
Dear Izzy, It is important that we move in the direction of truth. If we violate the truth God reveals to us, then we are miserable and accusing people. We accuse God of being wrong. We accuse others for not going along with us. Here are two scriptures on this topic: ROM 14:22 Hast thou

Re: [TruthTalk] Crucial Doctrines

2002-12-22 Thread Terry Clifton
This is a very complex question for a simple person such as my self, but let me answer as best I can. Jesus gave Christians two commands. 1. Love GOD. more than anything else... or any one else. 2. Love your neighbor as yourself. If you do that, you will have a desire to follow

Re: [TruthTalk] Crucial Doctrines

2002-12-22 Thread Marlin Halverson
This is a very complex question for a simple person such as my self, but let me answer as best I can. Jesus gave Christians two commands. 1. Love GOD. more than anything else... or any one else. 2. Love your neighbor as yourself. .." -Blessings, Terry AMEN to this.

Re: [TruthTalk] Once saved, always saved?

2002-12-22 Thread CHamm56114
In a message dated 12/22/2002 7:43:17 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Nevertheless, he believed it was wrong to teach Gentiles to become Torah observant. Furthermore, he believed that GENTILES who felt compelled to become circumcised and become JEWS were actually departing

Re: [TruthTalk] Crucial Doctrines

2002-12-22 Thread Peter Peterson
Dear Perry, Marlin and all, Sorry that I haven't been able to write for a while- I have been SO BUSY!!! I had not checked my inbox enough, and the hotmail account got full, and must have started sending back mail. I re-joined, however, and now I believe that I am beginning to recieve

RE: [TruthTalk] Crucial Doctrines

2002-12-22 Thread ShieldsFamily
Terry, I like that answer. Thats what I have to do when I get overwhelmed by the complexities of theology or life: go back to the basics. Did God not make it possible for a little child to be saved? Have you ever known a child with Downs Syndrome who lit up at the name of Jesus? Surely

RE: [TruthTalk] Once saved, always saved?

2002-12-22 Thread ShieldsFamily
Excellent question, Laura. Might it not be possible that everyone is free to do either? Who can answer this? Izzy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 22, 2002 12:57 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: [TruthTalk] Crucial Doctrines

2002-12-22 Thread ShieldsFamily
Perry, Rom 10:10 for with the heart man believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation. I agree--we cannot save ourselves by obeying the commandments. They are the result, not the cause, of salvation. But is it possible that those who say they

RE: [TruthTalk] Crucial Doctrines

2002-12-22 Thread ShieldsFamily
Dear Perry, Marlin and all, Sorry that I haven't been able to write for a while- I have been SO BUSY!!! I had not checked my inbox enough, and the hotmail account got full, and must have started sending back mail. I re-joined, however, and now I believe that I am

RE: [TruthTalk] Crucial Doctrines

2002-12-22 Thread ShieldsFamily
-Original Message- as our former TT'r Glenn once said (God rest his eSoul), Perry Too funny! Perhaps a moment of silence is in order? Izzy

RE: [TruthTalk] Crucial Doctrines

2002-12-22 Thread Terry Clifton
Dear Izzy: You have asked "who can answer this" ( question of whether obedience is required in addition to faith in order to have salvation?) There are those who will take one verse from God's word, and declare that all you must do is believe thatwhosoever believes on Jesus shall not

Re: [TruthTalk] Crucial Doctrines

2002-12-22 Thread Marlin Halverson
"And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; (1) DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.' Who can answer this??? Izzy Dear Izzy, Terry, Perry, Pete, et al., It may be that somebody can get eternal life with belief alone. But consider a "discount Christian." How cheap can you

Re: [TruthTalk] Crucial Doctrines

2002-12-22 Thread Terry Clifton
What an appropriate discrition. "Discount Christian". I love it. Terry It may be that somebody can get eternal life with belief alone. But consider a "discount Christian." How cheap can you be and still enter into life?What does this tell God about our love for Him?

RE: [TruthTalk] Crucial Doctrines

2002-12-22 Thread Charles Locke
Peter, et al, If we all are required to keep the commandments, then no one is saved: Rom 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God. This includes me, and you, and every human that has ever lived. Otherwise, there would be no need for a savior. We would be judged by the law

Re: [TruthTalk] Once saved, always saved?

2002-12-22 Thread Dave
ShieldsFamily wrote: David, thanks for the kind words. But if I became a list moderator I’m afraid all the poor mormons would split!J Izzy DAVEH: And why would you think that, Izzy? Would you not treat us fairly? :-) -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED]