RE: [TruthTalk] Seventh Day Sabbath Keeping

2003-11-10 Thread ShieldsFamily
ROFL!!! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2003 8:00 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Seventh Day Sabbath Keeping On Sun, 9 Nov 2003

[TruthTalk] Grace and Law

2003-11-10 Thread Terry Clifton
You know, if we were arguing pre trib or mid trib or post trib, we could each take a position based on a verse or two and happily argue away with no ill effects, 'cause what is gonna happen is gonna happen whether you are right or wrong, and you have no control over it. Same thing with many

RE: [TruthTalk] Seventh Day Sabbath Keeping

2003-11-10 Thread David Miller
David Miller wrote: Now please answer my question. According to Torah, is it right or wrong to pick up sticks on Sabbath. Shouldn't we define work on the Sabbath according to God's Word and not according to what we personally think is ok or not? Slade wrote: That's been my point...

RE: [TruthTalk] Seventh Day Sabbath Keeping

2003-11-10 Thread David Miller
Izzy wrote: David, What don't you understand about doing no unnecessary work? Yes, you must still feed and diaper the children, keep the house warm, doing kind deeds, etc. No, you should not do anything unnecessary, such as gathering sticks or earning money, or anything that you should

RE: [TruthTalk] Grace and Law

2003-11-10 Thread ShieldsFamily
Good grief, Terry. I have NO doubt that you, and David Miller, and many others on TT are saved. Also I am not in need of the MILK you have fed me below. I have been SAVED, with full understanding of what that really means, for 35 years. I have also been a student of the Bible for 35

RE: [TruthTalk] Seventh Day Sabbath Keeping

2003-11-10 Thread ShieldsFamily
David, Are you trying to turn me into a Pharisee with all of your rule-making? Jesus' whole point was to stop that kind of game playing and remember the intent of the 4th Commandment. And not by using Shabbat rules for an excuse to judge each other as being spiritually inferior. Izzy

[TruthTalk] Questions

2003-11-10 Thread Judith H. Taylor
Hi everyone, I have questions that I am hoping some or at least one of you involved in the Shabbat controversy may be able to answer: Did Jesus say in Matt 22:37-40 On these two (plus keeping the Shabbat) hang all the law and the prophets? Why Not? Romans 13:10 mentions keeping the whole law

Re: [TruthTalk] Grace and Law

2003-11-10 Thread Terry Clifton
Sorry to have riled you up Izzy. Had to give it one last try. How sad. Terry - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 10:40 AM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Grace and Law Good grief, Terry. I have NO

Re: [TruthTalk] lesbians don't have real sex...

2003-11-10 Thread michael douglas
Michael D: Iz, A close friend of mine (brother in the Lord) had the same thing dealt to him here in Trinidad by the courts a few years ago. It is stunning indeed.ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lesbians not guilty of adultery? http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=35496.

[TruthTalk] Ten Commandments - Justice Roy Moore goes to trial Wednesday

2003-11-10 Thread David Miller
Justice Roy Moore goes to trial Wednesday over the Ten Commandments issue. Please support him in person, if possible, and with prayer otherwise. Im planning to head to Montgomery tomorrow. Its about an 8 or 9 hour drive from here. I found the following at:

Re: [TruthTalk] Seventh Day Sabbath Keeping

2003-11-10 Thread ttxpress
:) ..x666! On Mon, 10 Nov 2003 08:15:55 -0600 "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ROFL!!! -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2003 8:00 PMTo: [EMAIL

Re: [TruthTalk] Seventh Day Sabbath Keeping

2003-11-10 Thread ttxpress
i'm wondering, when did you start? On Sun, 9 Nov 2003 22:19:35 -0500 "Slade Henson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: One day, I'm sure you will provide something uplifting and participatory to these conversations. I am still praying for you. shalom slade

RE: [TruthTalk] Seventh Day Sabbath Keeping

2003-11-10 Thread David Miller
Izzy wrote: David, Are you trying to turn me into a Pharisee with all of your rule-making? No! I do not make the rules. I am not a law maker. These rules are the rules of Torah. I only interpret the rules of Torah according to the best of my understanding (which is admittedly very

RE: [TruthTalk] Seventh Day Sabbath Keeping

2003-11-10 Thread ShieldsFamily
David, I am really becoming exasperated with you. God forbid we should make holy SATURNDAY. And God forbid that we should think that what HE says doesn't really matter, and conveniently change it to what WE think is a better idea. Izzy Exodus 20 8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep

RE: [TruthTalk] Grace and Law

2003-11-10 Thread ShieldsFamily
I am not riled up. Sorry you are so sad. I am happy. Izzy Revelation 12 17So the dragon was enraged with the woman, and went off to make war with the rest of her children, who keep the commandments of God and hold to the testimony of Jesus. Revelation 14 12Here is the perseverance of

RE: [TruthTalk] Seventh Day Sabbath Keeping

2003-11-10 Thread ShieldsFamily
Obviously, much too late. J Izzy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 1:01 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Seventh Day Sabbath Keeping i'm wondering, when did

RE: [TruthTalk] Questions

2003-11-10 Thread ShieldsFamily
If you are really curious, read the Word for yourself, rather than arguing with it. 1Jo:5:3: For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous. Izzy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Judith H.

RE: [TruthTalk] lesbians don't have real sex...

2003-11-10 Thread ShieldsFamily
Michael, What difference does it make? After all, according to many on TT, we are heretics if we keep Gods Commandments. Izzy 24Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: 25Who changed the

RE: [TruthTalk] Ten Commandments - Justice Roy Moore goes to trial Wednesday

2003-11-10 Thread ShieldsFamily
David, Why on earth would you want to support a man who is defending the 10 Commandments??? Izzy PS Drive carefully, Brother. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Miller Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 12:34 PM To: [EMAIL

Re: [TruthTalk] Seventh Day Sabbath Keeping

2003-11-10 Thread ttxpress
Iz, Your answer, below, reveals acertain nastybias entailing a pharisaic legalism and arrogance that younoted in DavidM; however, that doesn't mean that his teachingis at fault--you andSlade, et. al.,can capablypossess it yourselves. Anyway, (too) fewcould pray lovingly the way the Lord

RE: [TruthTalk] Seventh Day Sabbath Keeping

2003-11-10 Thread ShieldsFamily
Whenever I pray for all the folks on TT, it seems I can hear the Lord saying, Oy Vey! J Izzy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 7:27 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re:

Re: [TruthTalk] Grace and Law

2003-11-10 Thread Slade Henson
Your power tool midrash is interesting. Too bad it's based on false assumptions and false knowledge of the intent of the Law. shalom e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Terry Clifton To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, 10

Re: [TruthTalk] Questions

2003-11-10 Thread Slade Henson
Did Jesus say in Matt 22:37-40 On these two (plus keeping the Shabbat) hang all the law and the prophets? Why Not? You've missed the point. Read it again. On these two laws hang all the Law and the Prophets. Commandment #1: Love God Commandment #2: Love Neighbor. Every Law in the Torah and

Re: [TruthTalk] Questions

2003-11-10 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Attending synagog is not what "keeps" the sabbath. Doing no work is what "keeps" the sabbath. From: "Judith H. Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [TruthTalk] Questions Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 12:17:41 -0500 Hi everyone, I have questions

Re: [TruthTalk] Questions

2003-11-10 Thread ttxpress
Then, plainly,Jesus isn't keeping the 'Sabbath'. On Mon, 10 Nov 2003 19:38:12 -0800 "Charles Perry Locke" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Attending synagog is not what "keeps" the sabbath. Doing no work is what "keeps" the sabbath. From: "Judith H. Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: [TruthTalk] Seventh Day Sabbath Keeping

2003-11-10 Thread ttxpress
On Mon, 10 Nov 2003 19:58:16 -0500 "Slade Henson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:|| [DavidMs] idea of "spiritually keeping commandment"is western thought... just so you know. It's called Hellenism.) || Check the TT internet archives, Slade, if they still exist (I suspect they are no longer

Re: [TruthTalk] Seventh Day Sabbath Keeping

2003-11-10 Thread Judith H. Taylor
Slade writes: It's not the Torah that is cruel... it would be legalists like you who demand a certain bar which cannot be moved for a demanding situation. You are the reason the Pharisees created a series of If... Then... regulations that they tied to the Torah. This was their way of protecting