ALL 'gospel presentations' are provisional
approximations. I spoke of the comparison because a couple of people had
suggested a joint invitation to our next annual conference.
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'Watch over your hearts with all diligence for from
it flow the springs of life.' Proverbs 4:23
We live from our heart.
The part of us that drives and organizes our life
is not the physical. This remains true even if we deny it. You have a spirit
within you and it has been formed. This is
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Here are some questions I am considering: Why is Paul's theology presented only is personal letters --- a style of presentation not found in First Testament scripture. Why is it not systematic in nature?
Semper Reformanda (Latin English)
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Please translate into
American English. Iz
ALL 'gospel
Thanks for nothing. Some gospel
presentations are crisply clear. Try Repent and be baptized.
Izzy
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Divine
Lance shares:
'Watch over your hearts with all diligence for from it flow the springs of life.'
Proverbs 4:23
We live from our heart.
The part of us that drives and organizes our life is not the physical. This remains
true even if we deny it. You have a spirit within you and it has been
Here are some questions I am considering: Why is Paul's theology presented only is
personal letters --- a style of presentation not found in First Testament
scripture. Why is it not systematic in nature?
Terry responds:
Let me offer a
Lance,
Im glad you shared this with
us. This is a good example of what I consider philosophy void of the true
gospel. I love philosophy, but not the void part which skews it into
error. The words below contain much truth. What they lack is the insight
one has on human behavior when
David wrote:
What I think is necessary for effective dialogue
is to say what you mean.
John wrote:
No you don't. You believe that there are rules
of communication that go beyond simply saying
what you mean.
I would agree that there are methods of communication that go beyond saying
what you
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Terry responds:
Let me offer a scientific
wild guess, brother John.
John Askes: What is SWG. Helpful post, Terry. Thanks.
Okay, Im just a gal who is too much
into warm and fuzzies this morning, perhaps. But Im sitting here (after
hosting two big parties for my husbands Department this week, one last
night) on a chilly morning with the sun peeking through the window over the
computer, in my robe, sipping a cup
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here
are some questions I am considering: Why is Paul's theology
presented only in personal letters ---
a style of presentation not found in First Testament scripture.
Why is it not systematic in nature?
jt: Paul didn't write a rule book. His epistles/letters
were
Izzy says:'This is a good example of what I
consider philosophy void of true gospel'
The source for this 'philosophy void of true
gospel' is: 'Renovation of the Heart' -Putting on the Character of Christ' by
best-selling author of The Divine Conspiracy-Dallas Willard from pg 13-chapter
You're not playing fair Lance. Hopefully Willard would
complete this trucated gospelin another
part of his book if he is a "true gospel" man. I
don't believe philosophy and true spirituality mix
but that's me. Lance why do you enjoy this kind
of cat and mouse gameso much?
On Fri, 5 Nov 2004
Okay, Im just a gal who is too much into warm and fuzzies this morning, perhaps.
But Im sitting here (after hosting two big parties for my husbands Department
this week, one last night) on a chilly morning with the sun peeking through the window
over the computer, in my robe, sipping a cup of
When Lance posted this he thought that Izzy would jump on
it thinking how wonderful it was considering howmuch she was enjoying one
of Willard's other books. There was no intent to bait her at all. In
actual fact it was an attempt to meet Izzy on an even ground. Why do you
enjoy jumping on
Lance, I have fallen into your trap of
course. J If taken out of context you can make
anyone look like they are saying something they arent. But if you
include Willards other comments in context you will find that he does
not have a sin-blind philosophy, which is why I like him so much.
Jon my man, please dont
over-idealize Lance. He is one waskally wabbit! J And Judy is
no more quick to judgment than some others on TT in my estimation. You
comment about Willard is accurate I thinkas I said I really enjoy
philosophy when it is truly Christ-centered. Iz
From:
Good questions, John. I hope my comments will help you reflect upon some
proper answers to your query.
John wrote:
Here are some questions I am considering: Why is Paul's
theology presented only is personal letters --- a style of
presentation not found in First Testament scripture.
I think
Lance and I talk2 to3 times a day. I
believe I can fairly state what he was thinking when he posted that quote to
you. However, he is a rascally wabbit.
Those who are quick to judge others on this forum include
every single member. Not a day goes by without some judging going
on. The
As it was a rather long quote I would claim that it was not
taken out of context. However it raises an important point for the members
of TruthTalk. We are all, including me, guilty of taking each post on
TruthTalk as a summation of that person's gospel. In reality it is but a
small portion
Oh one other thing. I have read 'In Search of
Guidance' and 'Spirit of the Disciplines.' I have not read 'The Divine
Conspiracy.' I have dipped into it before but not been through it
completely. I began it last night. I will update you on the Gospel
of the Right versus the Gospel on the
Wow. Another keeper, David. Iz
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Good questions, John. I hope my
What did Jesus and the apostles actually preach when they preached the
gospel? We have to understand their culture a little and the audience to
whom they spoke to fully understand their message and what part they
emphasized. Their audience was primarily those under law, those who
understood
Good points, Jonathan, and I agree.
However I do not agree that we should not judge. We should judge with
righteous judgment. (John 7:24) Then it is without sin. Izzy
PS Please note that Lance intentionally
deceived me with his post by mis-identifying the origin of the writing (in
Cool!
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'Beyond Within' and The Way of Jesus
Oh one other thing. I have read 'In
Search of Guidance'
John wrote:
Here are some questions I am considering: Why is Paul's
theology presented only is personal letters --- a style of
presentation not found in First Testament scripture.
I think the primary answer to this lies in the admonition of Jesus to his
disciples, that they teach all
Jonathan wrote:
To sum up, we are all guilty of misreading
other people's posts.
Amen. Caveat emptor.
Jonathan wrote:
Taking a fragment of his thought and judging his
entire philosophy upon it is a poor way of respecting
that person.
Amen. It is a poor way of understanding that person.
Thank you David. I agree, except for the fact that I often am a bit too
much of an ass.
Jonathan Hughes
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ROFL!!! Is that why Democrats have chosen such as their symbol? (ONLY
KIDDING!!!) Izzy PS I guess that criteria would eliminate more than one of
us on TT? :-)
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Those who are quick to judge others on this forum include
every single member. Not a day goes by without some judging going
on. The problem is,one states that they are not quick to judge but
then does
Take care ye that cast aspersions!! Jonathan is
from Australia. Wait a sec, I guess you're right about the 'cultural'
business.
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David Miller writes:
And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name
among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
(Luke 24:47)
I think this passage captures much of what the gospel is all about. In
other places, he calls it, the gospel of the kingdom (e.g., Mark 1:14,
Izzy wrote:
Keep in mind that God loved Jacob
and hated Esau. (Rom. 9:13)
John wrote:
God loved them both - John 3:16. Maybe a good
word study on hate would help.
John, do you reconcile these passages together in your mind, or do you just
dismiss Romans 9:13 because you like reading John 3:16
David's post:
Izzy wrote:
Keep in mind that God loved Jacob
and hated Esau. (Rom. 9:13)
John wrote:
God loved them both - John 3:16. Maybe a good
word study on hate would help.
John, do you reconcile these passages together in your mind, or do you just
dismiss Romans 9:13 because you
John, I await your reply. It should be interesting to see if you think you
have not cancelled out the meaning of Rom 9:13 with John 3:16. Do you
really think they are incompatible scriptures, and Believers must choose one
or the other? Or are they BOTH true? You seem to not believe the first one,
Judy, Ill admit youve got a
point here. Humor from the likes of Jonathan does take one off guard. Maybe
its just Canadian humor that we dont get. J Iz
jt: You are right
about this, I don'tlook for parodies and you in particular have been
offended so often that humor is
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writes:
Those who are quick to judge others on
this forum include every single member. Not a day goes by without some
judging going on. The problem is,one states that they are not quick
to judge but then
Izzy, do you think there is anything your own children could do to make you
actually hate or loathe them?
Jonathan
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Spurgeon's commentary on Romans 9:13. Please note that me quoting it does
not mean I agree with it :)
WHY DID GOD LOVE JACOB AND HATE ESAU? I can tell you why God LOVED Jacob; IT
IS SOVEREIGN GRACE! There was nothing in Jacob that could make God love him;
there was everything about him that
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John Askes: What is SWG. Helpful post, Terry. Thanks.
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Scientific Wild Guess
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Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought
to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6)
John, I await your reply. It should be interesting to see if you think you
have not cancelled out the meaning of Rom 9:13 with John 3:16. Do you
really think they are incompatible scriptures, and Believers must choose one
or the other? Or are they BOTH true? You seem to not believe the first one,
JUDY: Sorry I've been absent a couple of
days with appointments so wasn't able to get back to this thread Slade.SLADE: That's alright. For a minute, I though you
may have understood me. Sadly, I was wrong.JUDY: Below is one of the points I have been
trying to get across but this Messianic
Scientific Wild Guess
Terry, you may have been kidding when you came up with that phrase, but science if
often in the business of guessing wild.
Political science is constantly refering to its polling data as scientific to within
a margin of error of 3 or 4 percent. We all know just how
Slade wrote:
DEFINITIONS:
Oral Torah: The commentary on the whole of the Older Testament
Oral Transmission: Passing information from one person to another from mouth to ear. A
culture whose information is passed in oral transmission rely on memorization of huge
amounts of information. In order
Jonathan Hughes wrote:
. I
blame myself for not communicating clearly what is on my heart. If
you,
or others, do not pick up on my passion for the Person of Jesus Christ
I view
that as my own failure to communicate. John, who does not always see
eye
A pastor friend of mine in Oklahoma once told me (as I celebrated my third
year as a congregational leader) that if anything needed to be done, choose
the busiest man and he'll get the job done. If you choose the one with time
on his hands, the job won't get done.
I have been practicing time
Yeshua tells us to love our enemies, pray for those who despitefully use and
persecute us, bless than who curse us, and do good to those who hate us. Are
we better than God?
From my worldview, to love your enemy IS to do good to them.
-- slade
CONTEXT OF SLADE'S MESSAGE
It should be
From slade:
Yeshua tells us to love our enemies, pray for those who despitefully use and
persecute us, bless than who curse us, and do good to those who hate us. Are
we better than God?
From my worldview, to love your enemy IS to do good to them.
-- slade
CONTEXT OF SLADE'S MESSAGE
It
It is more than interesting to me that Jacob used deceit to gain the birthright from
his father, that Abraham allowed at least two kings to sleep with his wife (didn't
happen of course -- but it wasn't Abraham's fault), Paul oversaw the death of
Stephen and was not called to accountablilty
Dear friends,
I was set straight about "the 613 commandments" by a
friend and brother. He sent me this link and admonition:
http://www.aish.com/literacy/mitzvahs/The_613_Commandments.asp
The trappings of Judaism are a poor substitute for
having the indwelling of God's spirit
I believe the English word hate is a terrible translation. Oppose is far
better. Yeshua tells us what is to be done to the bad apples in the
congregation in Mattityahu 18. I believe God uses the same principle with
those whom He opposes.
He will rejoice with the angels when one enters the fold...
We should remember that according to prophesy, Jacob is the rightful owner
of the birthright (and rightfully lived up to this prophetic utterance by
functioning AS the firstborn). Jacob, as the story unfolds, appears to be
the obedient son who follows his mother's demands... and Jacob gets blamed
Thank you for your post, Marlin. Now, if you'd be so kind, please return
to that list athttp://www.aish.com/literacy/mitzvahs/The_613_Commandments.asp and please list me the
commands that are NOT found in Scripture. When you find this exercise fruitless,
please understand that several
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