RE: [TruthTalk] Original Sin

2005-02-12 Thread ShieldsFamily
    From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2005 10:52 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Original Sin   In a message dated 2/12/2005 6:34:03 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECT

RE: [TruthTalk] Cult behavior

2005-02-12 Thread ShieldsFamily
Complain to Mr. Webster.   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2005 6:09 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Cult behavior   ftr, anothr near perfect example of anti-intellectu

Re: [TruthTalk] Cult behavior

2005-02-12 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 2/12/2005 5:28:51 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: They deceive themselves and they will deceive you. Terry  --   I have some experience with gay types as well  --  almost none of them were criminals, however.   But about the above     ain't going to happ

Re: [TruthTalk] Original Sin

2005-02-12 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 2/12/2005 6:34:03 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: "The intellectuals are coming;   the intellectuals are coming  !!   There goes the nieghborhood [sic] Written like a true anti-intellectual. JD

Re: [TruthTalk] Cult behavior

2005-02-12 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 2/12/2005 7:33:04 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: First off I am not a Church of Christ Cultist Actually, I see very little difference between your cultish behavior and that of the C of C  --  southern division.   Unity is not arrived at by Cult or Evangel

Re: [TruthTalk] Cult behavior

2005-02-12 Thread Kevin Deegan
Those within treat like they are without Those without don't let in your house neither bid them god bless God obviously puts a wall of separation between believers and unbelievers   First of all heresy and false doctrine are sin also Titus 1:10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with

Re: [TruthTalk] Cult behavior

2005-02-12 Thread Kevin Deegan
First off I am not a Church of Christ Cultist   Unity is not arrived at by Cult or Evangelical consensus!   As far as a list like I said very simple learned it in Sunday school ( I can have my Sunday chool teacher come over to help you.) The B I B L E now thats the list for me, I stand alone on the

Re: [TruthTalk] Original Sin

2005-02-12 Thread Kevin Deegan
Be on guard against any tampering with the Word, whether disguised as a search for truth, or a scholarly attempt at apparently hidden meanings; and beware of the confusion created by the senseless rash of new versions, translations, editions, and improvements upon the tried and tested Bible of our

Re: [TruthTalk] Original Sin

2005-02-12 Thread Kevin Deegan
WOW all that to find out that PARTAKE means to UBS Lexicon:    metecho -- share in (something) ... Friberg Lexicon:    metecho -- (have a) share in, participate in, partake of, w. the sharing always resulting fr. choosing to participate. Go Figure ! Bill Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Than

Re: [TruthTalk] Original Sin

2005-02-12 Thread Kevin Deegan
"The intellectuals are coming;   the intellectuals are coming  !!   There goes the nieghborhood[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 2/12/2005 3:09:16 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Gary your hatred is thinkly veiled.Of course it is thinkly veiled.   Gary, af

Re: [TruthTalk] Cult behavior

2005-02-12 Thread Kevin Deegan
In the TRADITION of the Nazi UUberman who called Genocide the "Final Solution" We now call Sodomites "gay" We've come a long way baby. Are you for softening the words for Fornication, murder, theft also? One commandants wife liked to have men who had tattoo's;  skined alive so she coukld have the s

Re: [TruthTalk] weekly perverty report from Salt lake

2005-02-12 Thread Kevin Deegan
15k that is a biggie! Just exactly how large is the bandwidth available to TT?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: thanks for the post--pls help us to reduce both @innglory.org mailbox and bandwidth consumption on your own, without a moderator's remindr--yes, i'm dispensible baby   G   On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 15

Re: [TruthTalk] weekly perverty report from Salt lake

2005-02-12 Thread ttxpress
thanks for the post--pls help us to reduce both @innglory.org mailbox and bandwidth consumption on your own, without a moderator's remindr--yes, i'm dispensible baby   G   On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 15:51:06 -0800 (PST) Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Anyone live in a city worse than

Re: [TruthTalk] Cult behavior

2005-02-12 Thread ttxpress
ftr, anothr near perfect example of anti-intellectualism in a 'knowing w/o learning' style of intepretation:   On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 16:08:48 -0600 "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: sod·om·ite    (sd-mt)n. One who eng

RE: [TruthTalk] weekly perverty report from Salt lake

2005-02-12 Thread Kevin Deegan
Anyone live in a city worse than this?   http://www.sltrib.com/utah/ci_2565409 For the Record Figure in BYU rape case enters no-contest plea   A peripheral defendant in the Brigham Young University rape case has entered a no-contest plea to making false statements to police. Former footb

RE: [TruthTalk] Original Sin

2005-02-12 Thread ShieldsFamily
    From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2005 10:33 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Original Sin   In a message dated 2/12/2005 3:09:16 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECT

RE: [TruthTalk] Original Sin

2005-02-12 Thread ShieldsFamily
J  Can we hear an Amen?  Iz   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Judy Taylor Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2005 9:11 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Original Sin   This reminds me, I found

RE: [TruthTalk] Cult behavior

2005-02-12 Thread ShieldsFamily
sod·om·ite    (sd-mt) n. One who engages in sodomy. Main Entry: sod·om·ite Pronunciation: -"mIt Function: noun : one who practices sodomy sodomite n : someone who engages in anal copulation (especially a male who engages in anal copula

Re: [TruthTalk] Original Sin

2005-02-12 Thread Judy Taylor
    On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 13:05:26 -0700 "Bill Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: jt: Yes - I agree with you - Jesus was born with a human spirit inside his human body like all humans have.  The difference between him and the rest of us is that he was born with a human spirit that was alive t

Re: [TruthTalk] Original Sin

2005-02-12 Thread Bill Taylor
Is this different from what you are saying above?   Yes, but never mind. I love you, Judy.   Bill - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2005 1:13 PM Subject: Re:

Re: [TruthTalk] Original Sin

2005-02-12 Thread Judy Taylor
    On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 12:48:48 -0700 "Bill Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: I wrote  >  Instead humanity was purified in relationship with God in Christ's person throughout his life, the tyrants being defeating all along the way, and the humanity "becoming perfected" in the p

Re: [TruthTalk] Original Sin

2005-02-12 Thread Bill Taylor
Yes - I agree with you - Jesus was born with a human spirit inside his human body like all humans have.  The difference between him and the rest of us is that he was born with a human spirit that was alive to God (with no breach) whereas ours was dead. Jesus walked in the fullness of the Ho

Re: [TruthTalk] Original Sin

2005-02-12 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 2/12/2005 11:12:00 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >"The intellectuals are coming;   the intellectuals are coming  !! > > =    Woe is us !! Yes, indeed.   That does seem to b

Re: [TruthTalk] Original Sin

2005-02-12 Thread Bill Taylor
I wrote  >  Instead humanity was purified in relationship with God in Christ's person throughout his life, the tyrants being defeating all along the way, and the humanity "becoming perfected" in the process of learning obedience to God through the things he suffered.   jt: How do we learn

Re: [TruthTalk] Original Sin

2005-02-12 Thread Bill Taylor
Thanks for the answer, David. Why do you think Jesus did not say, "And for their sakes I give them the example of myself, that they also may be sanctified by truth"? He said that sort of thing at other times, but not here. Instead he said, "And for their sakes I SANCTIFY Myself, that they al

[TruthTalk] Original Sin

2005-02-12 Thread Judy Taylor
      I think the attachment is a Word Perfect file.  I had troubles also.  Boyd is 'one of my boys'.  I highly enjoyed 'Repenting of Religion' but most of all find comfort in Boyd's attempts at understanding suffering and evil (and he is one of the few Trinitarians who takes on spiritual wa

Re: [TruthTalk] Original Sin

2005-02-12 Thread Judy Taylor
    On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 11:00:03 -0700 "Bill Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: the Radio Bible Class, but he doesn't give his sources either. It seems like he should have told you (and by extension us) of the obscurity of his definition for this word.   jt: ... If I were writing about the

Re: [TruthTalk] Original Sin

2005-02-12 Thread Terry Clifton
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 2/12/2005 3:09:16 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: "The intellectuals are coming; the intellectuals are coming !! = Woe is us !! "

Re: [TruthTalk] Original Sin

2005-02-12 Thread David Miller
Bill Taylor wrote: > Hey, David, would you tell me how you > interpret Jesus' words in the following > verses (feel free to draw from a larger > context if you like)? > > John17:17 "Sanctify them by Your truth. > Your word is truth." > John 17:19 "And for their sakes I sanctify > Myself, that they

Re: [TruthTalk] Original Sin

2005-02-12 Thread Terry Clifton
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Peter and John had a learning curve which effects ppl--the phrase 'were unlearned' is past tense baby On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 06:06:54 -0500 Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: of Peter and John and perceived that they were unlearned and ingnorant men ===

Re: [TruthTalk] Original Sin

2005-02-12 Thread Lance Muir
I think the attachment is a Word Perfect file.  I had troubles also.  Boyd is 'one of my boys'.  I highly enjoyed 'Repenting of Religion' but most of all find comfort in Boyd's attempts at understanding suffering and evil (and he is one of the few Trinitarians who takes on spiritual warfare)

Re: [TruthTalk] Original Sin

2005-02-12 Thread Bill Taylor
Judy,   I couldn't get your attachment to open, so didn't read the review, but I saw that it has to do with Gregory Boyd. Why do you say that he is one of our "boys" (I assume you include me in this)? Boyd is way into open theism, which is what Terry and David were discussing a while back --

Re: [TruthTalk] Original Sin

2005-02-12 Thread Bill Taylor
Big mistake corrected below in BOLD UPPERCASE!, smaller ones corrected, too. - Original Message - From: Bill Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2005 11:00 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Original Sin  

Re: [TruthTalk] Nephi or Moroni?

2005-02-12 Thread David Miller
Joseph Smith wrote: >> Nevertheless I fell into transgression and >> sinned in many things which brought wound >> upon my Soul [sic] and there were many things >> which transpired that cannot be writen [sic] and >> my Fathers [sic] family have suffered many persecutions >> and afflictions. Blaine

Re: [TruthTalk] Original Sin

2005-02-12 Thread Bill Taylor
  - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2005 8:02 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Original Sin     On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:54:21 -0700 "Bill Taylor" <[EMAI

Re: [TruthTalk] Original Sin

2005-02-12 Thread Judy Taylor
    On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 15:11:39 -0700 "Bill Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: BT: I was just trying to understand why you would say such things as "Jesus did not come here as God" and "... so he was not on this earth as God," that's all. And I still don't understand, for that matter, why

Re: [TruthTalk] Original Sin

2005-02-12 Thread Lance Muir
One of Alan Arkin's greatest roles. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: February 12, 2005 11:33 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Original Sin In a message dated 2/12/2005 3:09:16 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTEC

Re: [TruthTalk] Original Sin

2005-02-12 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 2/12/2005 4:32:48 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: (NB:she can't lose 'cause she can't be 'hit') :-)

Re: [TruthTalk] Cult behavior

2005-02-12 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 2/12/2005 4:37:08 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: John writes: Anyone who believes that Unity in the Faith is non-existent apart from "speaking and thinking the same thing"  (as extended to a specific set of teachings) is a legalist.  JD   jt: Depends what

Re: [TruthTalk] Cult behavior

2005-02-12 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 2/12/2005 4:37:08 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: John writes: Anyone who believes that Unity in the Faith is non-existent apart from "speaking and thinking the same thing"  (as extended to a specific set of teachings) is a legalist.  JD   jt: Depends what

Re: [TruthTalk] Original Sin

2005-02-12 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 2/12/2005 3:09:16 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So ignorant and unlearned does not disqualify anyone who hears the voice of the Chief Shepherd. God is funny like that. He sometimes hides things from the wise and prudent.  jt Actually, Judy, if you would t

Re: [TruthTalk] Original Sin

2005-02-12 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 2/12/2005 3:09:16 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Gary your hatred is thinkly veiled. Of course it is thinkly veiled.   Gary, af all, is a mild mannered intellectual.  JD "The intellectuals are coming;   the intellectuals are coming  !!   "

Re: [TruthTalk] Cult behavior

2005-02-12 Thread ttxpress
g..ites whatever ain't conducive to stereotypicalization while 'sodomites' has the certain homiletical ring down the streets and alleys of SLC..the Wyatt Earp effect--ever been to Tombstone? was it WE or Doc that carried the sawed off shotgun?     On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 07:35:07 -0600 Terry C

Re: [TruthTalk] Original Sin

2005-02-12 Thread ttxpress
Peter and John had a learning curve which effects ppl--the phrase 'were unlearned' is past tense baby   On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 06:06:54 -0500 Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:  of Peter and John and perceived that they were unlearned and ingnorant men

Re: [TruthTalk] Original Sin

2005-02-12 Thread Judy Taylor
This reminds me, I found the rest of the saying ... :) Architects cover their mistakes with paint Doctors cover their mistakes with sod, Brides cover their mistakes with mayonaise Hypocrites cover themselves with ritual Theologians cover themselves with words (Should I add Greek ones?)     On F

Re: [TruthTalk] Original Sin

2005-02-12 Thread Judy Taylor
    On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:54:21 -0700 "Bill Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Never mind, Judy, I found it. Your statement is the opinion of a preacher named Dr. DeHaan of the Radio Bible Class, but he doesn't give his sources either. It seems like he should have told you (and by

Re: [TruthTalk] Cult behavior

2005-02-12 Thread Lance Muir
Thanks for the backstory, Terry. - Original Message - From: Terry Clifton To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: February 12, 2005 08:27 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Cult behavior [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 2/11/2005 8:06:00 PM Pacific Standard Ti

Re: [TruthTalk] Cult behavior

2005-02-12 Thread Terry Clifton
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: that the term 'sodomites', below, includes purveyors of perversions such as gossip and gluttony reinforces a biblical learning curve, Terry 'sodomite' actually reads as a reference to those who dwelt in Sodom, where, acc to Scripture, there were numerous/various injustices

Re: [TruthTalk] Cult behavior

2005-02-12 Thread Terry Clifton
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 2/11/2005 8:06:00 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: How about perverts? That should cover the whole filty disgusting bunch. Terry Depends on whether you are trying to help them or not. The behavior is ver

Re: [TruthTalk] Original Sin

2005-02-12 Thread Lance Muir
A smattering of applause from those who perceived the choice of 'thinkly' veiled to have been intentional. However Jt's 'deflector shields' allowed her to remain unscathed by Gary's 'phonton torpedoes'. Now we're talkin' 'rules of engagement'. (NB:she can't lose 'cause she can't be 'hit')

Re: [TruthTalk] Nephi or Moroni?

2005-02-12 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Kevin's report of JS's words: "and my Soul was filled with love and for many days I could rejoice with great joy and the Lord was with me but could find none that would believe the hevenly vision. . . . Nevertheless I fell into transgression and sinned in many things which brought wound upon my

Re: [TruthTalk] Nephi or Moroni?

2005-02-12 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
BLAINE: Very ineresting account, Kevin. I fully believe everything in it. But it is just incomplete. Joseph Smith was focusing on his conversation with Jesus Christ. He simply did not mention in this account the full course of events. According to the official account, the Father had spok

Re: [TruthTalk] Nephi or Moroni?

2005-02-12 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
BLAINE: Who are you to say who was responsible? Joseph had a complex organization of hundreds of men working under him. It would have been impossible for errors not to happen. You are, as usual, grabbing at straws. Besides, you did not even seem to be aware of the difference between the f

Re: [TruthTalk] Cult behavior

2005-02-12 Thread Judy Taylor
  John writes: Anyone who believes that Unity in the Faith is non-existent apart from "speaking and thinking the same thing"  (as extended to a specific set of teachings) is a legalist.  JD   jt: Depends what kind of faith you are unified around - We are free to think and speak whatever we

Re: [TruthTalk] Original Sin

2005-02-12 Thread Judy Taylor
So, moderation today means jumping in to stir the pot and to notify all as to whose side you are on, along with identifying and card filing those in the discussion?.  Gary your hatred is thinkly veiled.   The observations sound familiar though:   "Now when they saw the boldness of Peter and

Re: [TruthTalk] Cult behavior

2005-02-12 Thread Knpraise
This is why I like Gary.   He and at least three others on this list, is smarter than I.  I was thinking that a Sodomite was someone from Sodom but the Professor put it into words better than I could  (man, I like being humble !).  JD   and thanks for the post, G.  In a message dated 2/11/2005

Re: [TruthTalk] pastor acquitted re: homos

2005-02-12 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 2/11/2005 10:03:22 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:   I tried but the link wouldnât work.  Next time.   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 6:20 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.inn