- Original Message -
From: Debbie Sawczak
To: 'Lance Muir'
Sent: February 21, 2006 13:57
Subject: RE: Fw: Continuing repentance
I understand what he is saying about the one-time turn, but
I don't think this is what Victor/Luther meant. They mean something more like
that funny
- Original Message -
From: Debbie Sawczak
To: 'Lance Muir'
Sent: February 21, 2006 14:23
Subject: FW: Fw: Continuing repentance
In other words, David does not seem to have taken the
point about penance and our modern psychological equivalent.
And probably both views of repentance
Look 'em up. I'm for the former and, agin' the
latter. It seems to me that each believes their understanding of the truth
to be THE understanding of the truth. Each attempts to demonstrate the
foregoing by employing means generally acceptable to all participants. When
arriving at an
David said: 'much' Not not at all then, David? Limbaugh/Cheney both profess
to be believers. No David, not hyperbole. They are spiritual men and, not
natural men. Who are you to judge otherwise?
'We might not' David includes you does it not?
- Original Message -
From: David Miller
I know Victor personally and well, David. In this
post you simply confirm that which I had to say re: plurality/pluralism and THE
TRUTH. Even were it the case that YOUR truth were NOT the truth, I have every
confidence, from reading you the last couple of years, that you would not
change.
We are indeed dealing with a difference in how terms are defined. More than
that, we also have a different viewpoint of the normal Christian life. Is a
believer one who is constantly crawling off the altar, or is he one subject
to other forces attempting to pull him away from the altar while
People approach TruthTalk from different perspectives. It is interesting to
me that you are for plurality but against pluralism. Can you elaborate on
that some more? I'm not sure I'm against pluralism, but I'm not certain of
the distinction you perceive exists in these terms. There are many
Thank you so much, Marlin, for sharing this. It gives me great hope that
Dean's leadership will bring about a list that will be much more productive
and enjoyable for everyone. God bless you.
David Miller.
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From: Marlin halverson [EMAIL
How much of that which you claim, without proof, that John 'believes'
concerning you is drawn from hsi reading of and, conversations with, you?
When you David, speak of any living person in a manner that might be deemed
critical do you attempt to cc them?
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From:
IMO, 'opting for' is good.
- Original Message -
From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: February 22, 2006 08:09
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Fw: Continuing repentance
We are indeed dealing with a difference in how terms are defined. More
than
that,
Anyone see 'High Noon' recently? Now, just who is 'Frank Miller' and, who is
'Will Kane'?
- Original Message -
From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: February 22, 2006 08:38
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Truth Gossip
Thank you so much, Marlin, for
I am not pushing MY truth, Lance. I believe that we are constantly changing
into the image of Christ. You seem to see me and everybody else as static.
I do not. I am constantly changing and modifying the way I think, building
upon the foundation that has been established.
Victor and you do
No SHOUTING!! from my end, David. I see you as someone who, for whatever
reason, needs to be right about things. I also see you as someone not much
open to correction. Both of these are denied by you. Where does one go from
here? One cannot show you David, if you will not be shown.
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Isaiah Berlin? Wow! I've got a friend who has read pretty much everything
that he's written. Your further treatment of plurality/pluralism is helpful.
ALL REAL BELIEVERS EXPERIENCE THE REAL JESUS! Thereafter, such believers
articulate scripture/experience/tradition/reason differently.
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No doubt, Lance, I do feel a need to be right. I hunger and thirst after
truth like I hunger and thirst after righteousness. However, I do not
insist that I am right all the time, and I always walk with an attitude of
being open to correction. This does not mean that I don't raise objections
Lance wrote:
ALL REAL BELIEVERS EXPERIENCE
THE REAL JESUS! Thereafter, such believers
articulate scripture/experience/tradition/reason
differently.
Amen! I like the way you said that.
David Miller.
--
Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know
I'll settle David, for 'no basis', 'can't stand up to scrutiny' and,
'inadequate to articulate my viewpoint' as a demonstration of just what I
said concerning yourself. Remember David, I've watched you for a couple of
years now. Even when, in the opinions of Debbie, Bill, Gary, John and, Slade
Penance has nothing to do with anything Lance, nor does
quote "our modern psychological equivalent"
They are both a moot point because they
aredifferent from repentance. Your friend is too far out
there.
On Wed, 22 Feb 2006 06:54:30 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
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Limbaugh's father is or was a believer; he does not
profess to be one
and neither does Cheney other than possibly the nominal
kind. Where do you
get your information from Lance? Nominal ppl who
say they are Christians
are "natural men"
From: "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED]David said:
You are simply incorrect on this, Judy. I've heard
it out of their own mouths. The rest is with God.
- Original Message -
From:
Judy
Taylor
To: truthtalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: February 22, 2006 09:45
Subject: [TruthTalk] Let 'Haliburton' =
Sin
Well Judy, SOMEONE may be 'too far out there'. IYO
it is her. IMO it is you. IDO it is everyone but him.
- Original Message -
From:
Judy
Taylor
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: February 22, 2006 09:42
Subject: Re:
- Original Message -
From: Debbie Sawczak [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 'Lance Muir' [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: February 22, 2006 09:36
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Fw: Continuing repentance
What David says about Luther's theses interests me from a discourse point
of
view. Difficult to
This appears to be a 'one way street' at this
point
Tell me Lance - are you open to correction? By
whom will you be shown?
Most definitely not by David Miller - this is quite
obvious.
From: "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
No SHOUTING!! from my end, David. I see you as someone who, for
Proof of the pudding is in the eating Lance - and out
of the abundance that fills the
heart the mouth speaks. I would not call what
comes out of either mouth the "oracles
of God" ie Cheney's expletive to Patrick L. on the
floor of the Senatealong with
Limbaughslifestyle and language.None of
I've got a huge difference Judy with the 'sinless
ones' on TT over just such as this. I ACTUALLY DO BELIEVE that both of the
aforementioned can be both believers and 'guilty as charged'. Don't
you?
- Original Message -
From:
Judy
Taylor
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
The larger point Judy, is that pretty much everyone
sees themselves as open to correction/instruction in righteousness while those
with whom they're engaged in conversation are not so open.
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From:
Judy
Taylor
To: truthtalk@mail.innglory.org
but
it'llproduce some very holy smoke--eh?
On Wed, 22 Feb 2006 08:06:21 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
..Some of your own theology is thoroughly
unbiblical and, will not stand in 'that day'.
Fear not as fire will burn it away.
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No I do not.
I believe "You will know them by their fruit" lance and
a good tree does not bring forth
evil fruit. Why wouldyou think
otherwise?
On Wed, 22 Feb 2006 11:36:15 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I've got a huge difference Judy with the 'sinless
ones' on TT over
some
hereprovide tangible proof that the WoG is correct re:
one
error in DavidMs theology,
who denies that only one Man'sdocumented school of prophecy is
biblical, that all other 'schools'
are rooted in
'doing''evil'
"Watch out
for false prophets. ..By their fruit you will recognize
..was JC speakin'
as an Aristotelean, below?
On Wed, 22 Feb 2006 20:30:44 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
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"Watch out
for false prophets. ..By their fruit you will recognize them...by
their fruit you will recognize them...
"Not everyone
who says to me,
..he was really
into Platonism dualism, eh?
On Wed, 22 Feb 2006 20:52:32 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
..was JC speakin'
as an Aristotelean, below?
On Wed, 22 Feb 2006 20:30:44 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
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"Watch
out for false prophets. ..By their
..thevoice of
judeochristianity?
On Wed, 22 Feb 2006 21:09:09 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
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'..did we not in your name..perform many
[Scientific 'miracles']?'
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