Re: [TruthTalk] Sin Christian Perfection

2002-10-25 Thread Dave
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I did not JUST say Biblical Jesus. I defined the Biblical Jesus using Martin's definition DAVEH: You are losing me on this, Glenn. I thought Martin's comments were related to cults. Did I miss something? Did he also define "Biblical Jesus"??? which was a simple

Re: [TruthTalk] Good News Bible

2002-10-25 Thread Dave
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 10/24/2002 9:11:39 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: DAVEH: At the same time, I picked up one called LETTERS TO YOUNG CHURCHES by JB Phillips. It is similar in nature. Phillips is interesting too but I also like the Message. Laura

[TruthTalk] Courtesy of Joke of the Day

2002-10-25 Thread Dave
    If God had meant for us to be naked, we would have been born that way.   -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~   -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man.

Re: [TruthTalk] Good News Bible

2002-10-25 Thread Dave
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IF this is true (it sounds a little extreme and one sided) about J. B. Philips it just proves the Mormons wrong again. Here God has persevered His word even through J. B. Philips. DAVEH: HmmI think you are right about that, Brother Glenn. I was curious as to

Re: [TruthTalk] Matthew 5:48 Coffman's Commentary and ABSOLUTE PERFECTION

2002-10-25 Thread Dave
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Biblical paradox - The first shall be last. The last shall be first. DAVEH: Do you really consider that to be a paradox, Glenn? Do you not have an explanation (or several, for that matter) for that statement, except to consider it a paradox? I do you not believe in

Re: [TruthTalk] Sin Christian Perfection

2002-10-25 Thread Dave
Pastor James PS Templeton wrote: I pray to the Father in the Name of Jesus! I never felt led to pray to the Holy Spirit. To say Dear Holy Spirit, seems all wrong, yet in worshipping and praising our God, we can surely say blessed Holy Spirit and acknowledge the wonderful works of God

Re: [TruthTalk] Book of Abraham - Pearl of Great Price

2002-10-25 Thread GJTabor
Here we go again with a yes but qualified. I even get a yes but qualified on my definition of Jesus Christ, God's son, second person of the Trinity. Blainer) I would have nothing against reading it it if 1) I could get it free of charge, and 2), I had time to read it. (:)

RE: [TruthTalk] Faith vs. Works

2002-10-25 Thread Pastor James PS Templeton
I dont think Satan can be bound in the same way as a demon. It is possible to bind a demon in the Name of Jesus and imprison it in the abyss so that it can no longer operate. If we could do this with Satan we would have no more problems with him. I wish we had such power available to us.

Re: [TruthTalk] Sin Christian Perfection

2002-10-25 Thread GJTabor
Glenn - Christians believe Jesus is God's son, second person of the Trinity. Mormons do not belive that, correct? I don't expect to get a simply yes or no without qualifications. I'm slow but I have figured this out. Concerning Biblical words in the Bible...there are no English words in the

Re: [TruthTalk] Faith vs. Works

2002-10-25 Thread GJTabor
Sounds like Satan has the power over you. I don't believe he does over me. Greater is he that is in me, than he that is in the world. Resist the devil and he will flee from you. James 4:7. I have the power throught the blood/name of Jesus to send the devil running away. Do you not believe this?

Re: [TruthTalk] Sin Christian Perfection

2002-10-25 Thread GJTabor
My comments mean that when Mormons say, "yes" it is not yes. When Mormons say "no" it is never no. It is always with chainging word meanings or later on coming back claiming it was not "yes'" or it was not "no". [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The bottom line is I just would appreciate Mormons telling

Re: [TruthTalk] Inerrancy

2002-10-25 Thread GJTabor
Glenn - No, I don't think you lie from your mind. I have repeatedly said this. BUT what you say IS a lie. A lie as defined as not correct. The reason is found in the Bible in 2 Cor. 4:4. The New American Standard Bible Book of 2 Corinthians Chapter 4 - Read Chapter - Click for Chapter Audio

Re: [TruthTalk] Matthew 5:48 Coffman's Commentary and ABSOLUTE PERFECTION

2002-10-25 Thread GJTabor
I gave you a paradox. What's the problom? Do you not consider it a paradox? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Biblical paradox - The first shall be last. The last shall be first. DAVEH: Do you really consider that to be a paradox, Glenn? Do you not have an explanation (or several, for that matter) for

Re: [TruthTalk] Book of Abraham - Pearl of Great Price

2002-10-25 Thread David Miller
Blainer wrote: You make this sound so absolute!! In actuality, the papyrus you refer to was only a fragment--not the entire papyrus. Actually, not *A* fragment, but rather a total of twelve fragments if we include one fragment from Joseph Smith's Alphabet and Grammar material. Scholars have

Re: [TruthTalk] Sin Christian Perfection

2002-10-25 Thread GJTabor
Glenn to James - Here what you said.\ The Trinity is man?s definition of Godhead. Can man define our Infinite Godhead? No one can claim that the Westminster Confession has the same level of inspiration as the Scriptures. James Templeton Then you said: I don?t like the word Trinity either, and I

Re: [TruthTalk] Sin Christian Perfection

2002-10-25 Thread Dave
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Glenn - Blainer - Do you believe "Jesus is God's Son, second person of the Trinity? You seemed to have reworded it when you answered. I just cannot not get a yes or no. It's always qualified answer. I cannot get a yes or not. This is not a trick question. Where do I get

Re: [TruthTalk] Sin Christian Perfection

2002-10-25 Thread Dave
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Glenn - Christians believe Jesus is God's son, second person of the Trinity. Mormons do not belive that, correct? DAVEH: Like I've intimated before.I don't know if I believe that because I don't understand what you mean by "Trinity"...Do you??? If so, please

Re: [TruthTalk] Matthew 5:48 Coffman's Commentary and ABSOLUTE PERFECTION

2002-10-25 Thread David Miller
Gentleman, A paradox, properly speaking, is not a contradiction, but rather an apparent contradiction. If there is no explanation, then it can only be considered a paradox if it is believed that an explanation will be learned to explain it some day. Otherwise, it is a contradiction. Can we at

Re: [TruthTalk] Matthew 5:48 Coffman's Commentary and ABSOLUTE PERFECTION

2002-10-25 Thread GJTabor
Ok A paradox, properly speaking, is not a contradiction, but rather an apparent contradiction. If there is no explanation, then it can only be considered a paradox if it is believed that an explanation will be learned to explain it some day. Otherwise, it is a contradiction. Can we at least agree

Re: [TruthTalk] Sin Christian Perfection

2002-10-25 Thread GJTabor
I use the word Trinity because it is a perfectly good Biblical word. I don't choose to let cults change vocabulary. Furthermore, the word Trinity exposes the Mormon deceit (lie) of believing in the Biblical Jesus. IF we go by what you recommend, then must speak in Greek (and a dead Greek at

Re: [TruthTalk] Sin Christian Perfection

2002-10-25 Thread GJTabor
THEN YOUR ANSWER IS NO. WHY DIDN'T YOU JUST SAY THAT? I do not get straight answers out of a Mormons. DAVEH: Then why use a word that is not Biblical? Simply change your above comment from.. "Christians believe Jesus is God's son, second person of the Trinity." ..to.

Re: [TruthTalk] Sin Christian Perfection

2002-10-25 Thread GJTabor
Oh, no, my friend. I have heard all of this stuff on TT about us becoming gods, that Jesus is created, sex in heaven, etc,. I cut through the deceit (lies) and exposed it for what it is. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Glenn - Blainer - Do you believe "Jesus is God's Son, second person of the Trinity?

Re: [TruthTalk] Sin Christian Perfection

2002-10-25 Thread bborrow26
Blainer) Well, OK. I guess the answer is yes. That won't cost me any money to say that. It is just that I am not sure what you mean when you include the word Trinity. If this word has just general meaning, OK, but if it has some special meaning, in reference to some thing or event in

Re: [TruthTalk] Courtesy of Joke of the Day

2002-10-25 Thread bborrow26
A fundamental truth, David (:) BlaineB On Fri, 25 Oct 2002 00:03:34 -0700 Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:     If God had meant for us to be naked, we would have been born that way.   -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~  

Re: [TruthTalk] Sin Christian Perfection

2002-10-25 Thread David Miller
Glenn wrote: I use the word Trinity because it is a perfectly good Biblical word. The word Trinity is NOT a Biblical word. Accepting the idea of a Trinity might be Biblical in that it is consonant with the Bible, but the word Trinity itself is not found in the Bible; therefore, it is not a

[TruthTalk] Humor

2002-10-25 Thread David Miller
I received the following post today. It made me laugh, so I thought maybe some of you would enjoy it too. :-) Peace be with you. David Miller. A husband looking through the paper came upon a study that said women use more words than men. Excited to prove to his wife his long-held contention

Re: [TruthTalk] Sin Christian Perfection

2002-10-25 Thread GJTabor
I can't believe you can say this. Of course it is a Biblical word. According to this legalism no ENGLISH WORD IS BIBLICAL. Glenn wrote: I use the word Trinity because it is a perfectly good Biblical word. The word "Trinity" is NOT a Biblical word. Accepting the idea of a Trinity might be

Re: [TruthTalk] Sin Christian Perfection

2002-10-25 Thread GJTabor
Names are important. God named things. Evil needs to be named. If names are not important, I will start calling you Fido. Personally, I would like to drop the label "Trinity" and use Biblical language like "Godhead." I wish we also could drop our designations of "Mormon" and "Protestant." Let's

Re: [TruthTalk] New archaeological find concerning James the brother of Jesus

2002-10-25 Thread David Miller
Following is another link to a National Geographic article on the ossuary of James. It has a little bit more information. http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2002/10/1021_021021_christianrelicbo x.html Peace be with you. David Miller. - Original Message - From: David Miller [EMAIL

Re: [TruthTalk] Sin Christian Perfection

2002-10-25 Thread GJTabor
No offense taken, but total 100% disagreement. Trinity is a perfectly good word. You let Jeff deceive you. My point, was Mormons can never give a yes or no. WHY??? Because they are a cult. Glenn, no offense intended, but your interaction here is so blatantly biased and false, how can you

Re: [TruthTalk] Sin Christian Perfection

2002-10-25 Thread David Miller
Glenn wrote: Names are important. God named things. Evil needs to be named. If names are not important, I will start calling you Fido. LOL. I guess you need to give me some name to differentiate me from your BIG dog that Laura told us about. :-) I agree that names are important, but if

Re: [TruthTalk] Sin Christian Perfection

2002-10-25 Thread GJTabor
OK, Mormons will I ever get a yes or no? Do you believe that Jesus is God's son, second person of the Godhead? Yes or no? Godhead and Trinity are the same to me. Do you believe tht Jesus is God's son, second person of the Trinity as defined by DavidM? Yes or no? Glenn wrote: Names are important.

Re: [TruthTalk] Sin Christian Perfection

2002-10-25 Thread David Miller
Glenn wrote: OK, Mormons will I ever get a yes or no? Do you believe that Jesus is God's son, second person of the Godhead? Yes or no? Godhead and Trinity are the same to me. Do you believe that Jesus is God's son, second person of the Trinity as defined by DavidM? Yes or no? Thank

Re: [TruthTalk] Sin Christian Perfection

2002-10-25 Thread Dave
  David Miller wrote: Glenn wrote: OK, Mormons will I ever get a yes or no? Do you believe that Jesus is God's son, DAVEH:  Yes. second person of the Godhead?   Yes or no? DAVEH:  Yes.   Godhead and Trinity are the same to me. DAVEH:  I disagree.  Do you believe that Jesus is

Re: [TruthTalk] Sin Christian Perfection

2002-10-25 Thread GJTabor
Glenn to DAveH - You just called me a liar. I told you I believe the Trinity and Godhead are the same. You said you disagree. HOW in the world can you disagree that I believe the Godhead and Trinity are the same? PS. I am not offended you called me a liar. I quite like it. It tells me a lot.

Re: [TruthTalk] Sin Christian Perfection

2002-10-25 Thread Dave
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Glenn to DAveH - You just called me a liar. DAVEH: Do you really think so, Glenn. Go back and read it again. And..I'd be curious if any other TTers understood my answer in the same way that you do. I told you I believe the Trinity and Godhead are the same. You said

Re: [TruthTalk] Sin Christian Perfection

2002-10-25 Thread David Miller
Glenn wrote: OK, Mormons will I ever get a yes or no? Do you believe that Jesus is God's son, DAVEH: Yes. Glenn wrote: second person of the Godhead? Yes or no? DAVEH: Yes. Glenn wrote: Godhead and Trinity are the same to me. DAVEH: I disagree. DAVEH: I've answered those questions

Re: [TruthTalk] Sin Christian Perfection

2002-10-25 Thread GJTabor
The below is how I hear you say yes to a question and then turn around and explain away yes. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here we go again. I just can't get answers. DAVEH: Huh?!?!?!?!..What do you think those below comments are following my name??? Red is not red and blue is not blue. Red is