Re: [TruthTalk] Please hear me out before ousting me.

2004-03-06 Thread Kevin Deegan
In what way are these idle words?Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Careful Kevin. Someday we have to give account for every idle word. Terry - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 05, 2004 7:40 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Please hear

RE: [TruthTalk] Please hear me out before ousting me.

2004-03-06 Thread Terry Clifton
Let us say for starters that you do not mean them. You are well aware that this does not depict your judgmental mind set. I have never ever seen a hint of love in anything that you have written.. You may have a book about the Mormons that allows you, in your own mind, to speak as an expert

RE: [TruthTalk] Please hear me out before ousting me.

2004-03-06 Thread Kevin Deegan
Where is your love bro? Why are you so judgemental? If you knew me you would know, I am a very sensitive guy. What got you so upset? Maybe I offended one of those RELIGIOUS SPIRITS David Miller is always talking about. BUT I will NOT Shut my mouth when I see evil. I will not go with the flow. It

Re: [TruthTalk] Gospel of Mad Max

2004-03-06 Thread Kevin Deegan
Jesus, by His suffering, purchased merit which was delivered to the Catholic Church for dispensing thru the 7 SACRAMENTS, to the faithful: "The film is unrelentingly violent. It's blood-soaked. Jesus gets so whipped you can see his ribs, blood spatters all over the cobblestones, and the sound is

[TruthTalk] Astronomers pinpoint time and date of crucifixion

2004-03-06 Thread Judy Taylor
More experts with a different date and time. How is it so simple? jt Astronomers 'pinpoint time and date of crucifixion and resurrection' Two Romanian astronomers say their

[TruthTalk] Please hear me out before ousting me.

2004-03-06 Thread Judy Taylor
Good Morning Bill: After posting Job 19:23-27 you follow with: Is there any question here that the Kinsmen Redeemer-God of Job is Jesus Christ, come in the flesh? I don't think so. And how is it that Job will see God after his death, yet still in his own flesh? Job knew something about the

[TruthTalk] Please hear me out before ousting me.

2004-03-06 Thread Judy Taylor
From: "Wm. Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Judy asks, "Is itpossible for you to show me where you are at byscripture without feeling threatened?" Bill responds, I will earnestly try to do this. On March 3, Terry wrote me in reply to my post concerning the go'el aspect of Christ's atoning work.

[TruthTalk] Questions set the tone

2004-03-06 Thread Lance Muir
The deepest questions are those which penetrate to our ultimate assumptions or beliefs and which exercise a regulative control over our knowledge in any sphere. These are questions as to the framework of thought with which we operate and, from which we put our questions. They are questions

Re: [TruthTalk] Questions set the tone

2004-03-06 Thread elextech
HUH ?? vincent j fulton On Sat, 6 Mar 2004 10:42:38 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The deepest questions are those which penetrate to our ultimate assumptions or beliefs and which exercise a regulative control over our knowledge in any sphere. These are questions as

Re: [TruthTalk] Questions set the tone

2004-03-06 Thread Kevin Deegan
what nature did Christ assume at His Incarnation? Lance He took on the form of a man He was still fully God He took on a human nature NOT a SIN nature.ce Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The deepest questions are those which penetrate to our ultimate assumptions or beliefs and which exercise

RE: [TruthTalk] Please hear me out before ousting me.

2004-03-06 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Terry, you wrote to Kevin: You even condemned a movie before knowing anything about it except that it was made by a Catholic. Now,even with the help of a trailer and a little PR, you still have very little idea of what the movie is like because you haven't even bothered to see it before

RE: [TruthTalk] Please hear me out before ousting me.

2004-03-06 Thread Kevin Deegan
Seems that lately anyone that says anything negative about the passion movie is ANTI Christian. It is like attacking the POPE or something.Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Terry, you wrote to Kevin: "You even condemned a movie before knowing anything about it except that it was made by

Re: [TruthTalk] Kingdom Come

2004-03-06 Thread Blaine Borrowman
Blaine: Since it is found in Malachi, an OT prophet, we must assume it to have been givenin support of the old covenant, since payment of tithes and offerings was definitely part of the law of Moses. The new covenant was to have been the order in which all things were had in common.

Re: [TruthTalk] illusion? theory? theology? FAITH

2004-03-06 Thread Blaine Borrowman
Judy wrote: jt: If it's so simple why do you not explain it in a simple way? My Bible says that Passover was 13th thru 14th of Nisan and Bible notes say that Nisan could be March or April. So which of those two months was it in 33AD? In 2004 my calender says full moon is 5th March and 6th

[TruthTalk] illusion? theory? theology? FAITH

2004-03-06 Thread Judy Taylor
OK Blaine, This is simple enough for even me to understand. Thanks for the input. Judyt Blaine: You are missiing the facts that 1) the moon takes an average of 30 calendar days to complete a cycle, from new moon, to full moon, back to new moon again; 2) the Jewish month ALWAYS begins

RE: [TruthTalk] Please hear me out before ousting me.

2004-03-06 Thread Terry Clifton
Where is your love bro? Why are you so judgemental? If you knew me you would know, I am a very sensitive guy. What got you so upset? Maybe I offended one of those RELIGIOUS SPIRITS David Miller is always talking about. BUT I will NOT Shut my mouth when I see evil. I will not go

RE: [TruthTalk] Please hear me out before ousting me.

2004-03-06 Thread Terry Clifton
I must say that I am in the same camp as Kevin with respect to not seeing Mel Gibson's movie. My position is that it is not "the Passion"...it is an RCC commentary about "the Passion".[Terry Clifton]Hey Perry. No argument. You are correct in that the movie does have a Catholic

Re: [TruthTalk] Old hebrew Coins found in Kentucky? inerrant Bible

2004-03-06 Thread Blaine Borrowman
Blaine: The Bible seems to have some problems, at least according to what I read below. Perhaps those whose religion is founded on the assumption that the Bible is inerrant should take a second look. - Forwarded message -- From: Raymond Bothoms [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL

Re: [TruthTalk] The passion of Christ

2004-03-06 Thread Blaine Borrowman
Today is the 6th of March, and I just got to your post, Kevin--I haven't heretofore seen anything worth responding to that I did not respond to, but if I do, I will do the best I can to answer it in the amount of time I allow myself each day for TT. NEVER jump to conclusions, and as Terry

Re: [TruthTalk] DNA Evidence Discourages Mormons

2004-03-06 Thread Blaine Borrowman
Blaine: Somehow I imagined you as being a very hairy, dark and loathsomeItalian type, with an oily skin and a bad case of acne, Kevin.(:) I am surprised you have no beard, and even more surprised you are fair enough to have freckles, like myself. But read the book of Genesis, and you will

RE: [TruthTalk] Please hear me out before ousting me.

2004-03-06 Thread Kevin Deegan
You seem to be taking it personal I do not think anyone said anything "bad" about those that went. Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I must say that I am in the same camp as Kevin with respect to not seeing Mel Gibson's movie. My position is that it is not "the Passion"...it is an RCC

Re: [TruthTalk] Old hebrew Coins found in Kentucky? inerrant Bible

2004-03-06 Thread Kevin Deegan
ROTFL The two manuscripts are TRASHit is obvious to everyone but some liberal intellectuals and at least 1 mormon. Blaine would you accept a check with 10 different handwritings on it? that is the quality of these mss,they have been tampered with. They were found in Roman catholic Monasteries.

Re: [TruthTalk] Nothing to respond to or not able?

2004-03-06 Thread Kevin Deegan
Blaine Today is the 6th of March, and I just got to your post, Kevin--I haven't heretofore seen anything worth responding to that I did not respond to, but if I do, I will do the best I can to answer it in the amount of time I allow myself each day for TT. NEVER jump to conclusions, and as

Re: [TruthTalk] Old hebrew Coins found in Kentucky? inerrant Bible

2004-03-06 Thread Kevin Deegan
Blaine: The Bible seems to have some problems, at least according to what Iread below. Perhaps those whose religion is founded on the assumption thatthe Bible is inerrant should take a second look. Pehaps you should take a second look. take your own advice. or have you converted to the Jehovah's

Re: [TruthTalk] DNA Evidence Discourages Mormons

2004-03-06 Thread Kevin Deegan
Were you reading Aesops again?Blaine Borrowman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Blaine: Somehow I imagined you as being a very hairy, dark and loathsomeItalian type, with an oily skin and a bad case of acne, Kevin.(:) I am surprised you have no beard, and even more surprised you are fair enough to have

Re: [TruthTalk] Please hear me out before ousting me.

2004-03-06 Thread Wm. Taylor
Judy, thank you so much for your reply, and thank you for the gentle tone. I truly do appreciate it. Yes, you are making sense. This is what I was taught throughout the earlier part of my life. I just do not fully agree with it. I will respond to parts of what you say, but not tonight. I

Re: [TruthTalk] Astronomers pinpoint time and date of crucifixion

2004-03-06 Thread Blaine Borrowman
VERY Good Judy, I love this kind of stuff. Beautiful!! Thanx. I will save this and or print it. Blaine - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 6:31 AM Subject: [TruthTalk] Astronomers pinpoint time and

Re: [TruthTalk] Old hebrew Coins found in Kentucky?

2004-03-06 Thread Blaine Borrowman
Blaine: The problem is, you didn't give it a fair trial. In any court in America (most courts, except maybe in Southern states whereall thoseBaptists hang out--lol), the testimony of two witnesses is enough to prove innocence--or guilt. The BoM has three witnesses who saw the angel, the gold

Re: [TruthTalk] DNA Evidence Discourages Mormons

2004-03-06 Thread Blaine Borrowman
Blaine: Read this Kevin, and weep: What about the passage in your dearly beloved Bible, that says, (Jesus speaking) "And other sheep I have , which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice, and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd." (John 10:16)

Re: [TruthTalk] illusion? theory? theology? FAITH

2004-03-06 Thread Blaine Borrowman
Glad to be of help--I teach sunday school tomorrow, all boys in the class for some reason, subbing for the regular teacher--hope the boys are good. I better get studying. Blaine - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March

Re: [TruthTalk] Old hebrew Coins found in Kentucky? inerrant Bible

2004-03-06 Thread Blaine Borrowman
Raymond Bothoms is just another one of us good old boys from Utah. By the way, Kevin, where do you live? Georgia? Alabama? Mexico? LOL - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 5:27 PM Subject: Re:

Re: [TruthTalk] Questions set the tone

2004-03-06 Thread Wm. Taylor
Hi Lance, welcome to the neighborhood. I like what Torrance says. I for one can attest to the fact that it is trulyintimes of deep conflict that I become most aware of my beliefs. It is also in these times that I find out whether I have consistently thought through my beliefs -- that is,

Re: [TruthTalk] Old hebrew Coins found in Kentucky?

2004-03-06 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Blaine, the number of witnesses is impressive...but the book is a fraud, so why would anyone believe the witnesses, or even that there were witnesses. Show up in any court in the south and say I'm a Mormon and the book of Mormon says there were 12 witnesses, so it is true, and you will quickly

[TruthTalk] DNA Evidence Discourages Mormons

2004-03-06 Thread Judy Taylor
From: "Blaine Borrowman" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Blaine: Read this Kevin, and weep: What about the passage in your dearly beloved Bible, that says, (Jesus speaking) "And other sheep I have , which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice, and there shall be one

Re: [TruthTalk] Inerrant Bible

2004-03-06 Thread Dave
Charles Perry Locke wrote: DaveH, I would guess so. Regarding this statement: Concerning this record the Prophet Joseph Smith said: 'I told the brethren that the Book of Mormon was the most correct of any book on earth, and the keystone of our religion, and a man would get nearer to God

Re: [TruthTalk] Inerrant Bible

2004-03-06 Thread Dave
Kevin Deegan wrote: DAVEH: Then how does one explain that some Bibles contain errant headings IF God would not allow it? According to SB (today's radio broadcast), Hebrews is not the only book in question. I just found out today there is a contorversy about the bible dictionary in

Re: [TruthTalk] Last words on Jesus had the same sinful flesh we have.

2004-03-06 Thread Dave
Kevin Deegan wrote: Where do you get the teaching that men are born spiritualy alive? DAVEH: I ponder what Jesus said about our need to become like children, and how children relate to the kingdom of heaven. (Mt 19:14) What exactly is inheriting a "physical state" ? DAVEH: Being born