Re: [TruthTalk] Reminder from the Moderator

2004-06-14 Thread Dave
Charles Perry Locke wrote: Izzy, David's funnies are not often enough to be considered a problem, and he is careful to remove the "FW" from the header and give some attribution, like "From my cousin Buford in Idaho..." or some such. It was not those that I was shootiing for. He is

Re: [TruthTalk] A little kindness please...

2004-06-14 Thread Knpraise
Just curious -- a very quiet list this weekend. Are we still in business? Saw the Apostles this weekend. A very interesting movie. John

[TruthTalk] The Apostle

2004-06-14 Thread ShieldsFamily
Do you mean The Apostle with Robert Duval? What did you think was the moral of the story? Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 14, 2004 9:20 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] A little kindness

[TruthTalk] President George Bush

2004-06-14 Thread David Miller
Lance wrote: I don't hate him. I don't speak evil of him. Reality Check Please. Do you call your wife or children stupid? Do you call your mother or father stupid? Are there any loved ones that you call stupid? Perhaps you are deceiving yourself if you think calling someone who was

RE: [TruthTalk] Bush blundered in his preemptive move

2004-06-14 Thread David Miller
Lance wrote: I've read and, do read the book of Daniel. I do not see a connection between it's meaning and present day events. Dan 10:13 But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but, lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me; and I remained there

Re: [TruthTalk] Bush blundered in his preemptive move

2004-06-14 Thread Lance Muir
DavidM:It's an opinion. It may even be a 'majority' opinion. It's just not mine. Thanks for taking the time to pull that together. There's no 'orchestration' that I can see. Lance - Original Message - From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: June 14, 2004 14:30

Re: [TruthTalk] President George Bush

2004-06-14 Thread Lance Muir
DavidM:The word 'stupid' was a poor choice (a very poor choice). I stand by the balance of what I said concerning Bush. Yes, I do think that one can take the 'measure' of a person through their public performance. I've been called stupid and worse. There are occasions when it was applicable.

Re: [TruthTalk] The Apostle

2004-06-14 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 6/14/2004 8:42:22 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Do you mean The Apostle with Robert Duval? What did you think was the moral of the story? Izzy moral of the story ??? I saw it as "a few days in the life." In the beginning, he was a very convoluted

RE: [TruthTalk] The Apostle

2004-06-14 Thread ShieldsFamily
I also saw it as an example of how even very imperfect people can be used by the Lord for good. Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 14, 2004 2:57 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The Apostle

RE: [TruthTalk] President George Bush

2004-06-14 Thread ShieldsFamily
Lance, One final note on this. If you only watch the biased Liberal media, you will only get a biased view of GWBush. And I'm wondering--do you think that God will judge us for making erroneous/libelous judgments against those that He considers righteous? Izzy -Original Message-

RE: [TruthTalk] The Apostle

2004-06-14 Thread Slade Henson
I saw the movie as well, but I was disturbed by it. While John saw positive aspects to it, I am the opposite. I saw how easily it is for a man (a leader with little or no accountability) to fall from grace and sanity, and drift into the cultic and cult-leader status. While I do not want

RE: [TruthTalk] The Apostle

2004-06-14 Thread ShieldsFamily
Slade, Good points indeed. What do you see as the solution to your last sentence? Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Slade Henson Sent: Monday, June 14, 2004 4:47 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] The Apostle I saw the

Re: [TruthTalk] President George Bush

2004-06-14 Thread Wm. Taylor
I'm curious, Izzy, Who is it whom God considers righteous and how is it that we can tell? Another question, When you ask if God will judge us, what kind of judgment do you have in mind; are you thinking in terms of something specific -- e.g., like maybe he will send us to hell? Thanks, Bill

RE: [TruthTalk] The Apostle

2004-06-14 Thread Slade Henson
Jude 21-23 -- slade -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of ShieldsFamilySent: Monday, 14 June, 2004 19:22To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] The Apostle Slade, Good points indeed. What do you see as the

Re: [TruthTalk] The Apostle

2004-06-14 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 6/14/2004 3:18:19 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I also saw it as an example of how even I style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal"very imperfect people can be used by the Lord for good. Izzy Exactly. There are two kinds of saved people -- those who are

Re: [TruthTalk] The Apostle

2004-06-14 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 6/14/2004 3:47:54 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I saw the movie as well, but I was disturbed by it. While John saw positive aspects to it, I am the opposite. I saw how easily it is for a man (a leader with little or no accountability) to fall from grace

[TruthTalk] The Da Vinci Code Review

2004-06-14 Thread Jonathan Hughes
I guess the first question to answer is why I am reviewing The Da Vinci Code. I review books for the following reasons: 1. The older I get the less I seem to be able to remember. Reviewing a book and spending that extra time with it seems to cement some of its content into my small, feeble

RE: [TruthTalk] The Apostle

2004-06-14 Thread ShieldsFamily
Maybe I dont remember the movie as well as I thought, but I thought the Duval character was already saved, but just feel into sin and then repented and felt called to become an apostle. Izzy I believe his conversion was real (in the movie) but the Lord's physical judgment was

RE: [TruthTalk] The Apostle

2004-06-14 Thread ShieldsFamily
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 14, 2004 6:52 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The Apostle In a message dated 6/14/2004 3:18:19 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I

RE: [TruthTalk] President George Bush

2004-06-14 Thread ShieldsFamily
Bill, Not being one of you big thinkers I doubt I can answer these questions to your satisfaction. Only God knows who He considers righteous, as He can see the heart as well as all of a person's actions/intents that we cannot. However the Bible tells us that (Gen 15:6) Abraham

RE: [TruthTalk] The Apostle

2004-06-14 Thread ShieldsFamily
I dont get the connection with Jude 21-23. Can you elaborate a bit? How would you recommend someone be accountable? Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Slade Henson Sent: Monday, June 14, 2004 6:40 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [TruthTalk]

Re: [TruthTalk] President George Bush

2004-06-14 Thread Wm. Taylor
- Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 14, 2004 9:00 PM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] President George Bush Bill, Not being one of you "big thinkers" I doubt I can answer these questions to your

Re: [TruthTalk] Bush blundered in his preemptive move

2004-06-14 Thread Wm. Taylor
"George Bush did not decide to invade Iraq. God did.God simply used Bush as his pawn." Hi David, This question is as much for Izzy as it is to you. A while back Izzy made some very definite statements concerning the importance of free will and the moral imperative on God's part that he

Re: [TruthTalk] The Apostle

2004-06-14 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 6/14/2004 7:41:04 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Maybe I dont remember the movie as well as I thought, but I thought the Duval character was already saved, but just feel into sin and then repented and felt called to become an apostle. Izzy Was he an

Re: [TruthTalk] The Apostle

2004-06-14 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 6/14/2004 7:44:14 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Exactly. There are two kinds of saved people -- those who are described by Paul as "carnal " and those who are spiritual. Those descroptions mark the growth of each and every Christian. Do you think if one