What you do JD is, resist presumption and
assumption along with making a "carnal believer"doctrine
out of one verse. We understandscripture in light of
scripture and it is in the mouths of two or more
witnesses that
every word isestablished.
On Mon, 13 Mar 2006 03:30:52 + [EMAIL
He that does not love DOES NOT KNOW GOD for God is love.
Whoever loves discipline loves knowledge, But he who hates reproof is stupid.
Deciet is in the heart of those who devise evil,
But counselors of peace have joy.
The wise in heart will be called discerning,
And sweetness of speech
Yes Lance,
Still waiting for your responsewith "bated
breath" and beginning to turn purple. I want to be
teachable. just like you ..
judyt
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How is it, Lance,
that you can call others unteachable, but
In your case, jd. In your case, indeed.
iz
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And a slanderer separates intimate friends.
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And just two posts prior to
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Oh, yeahsorry! Ill repost under this heading: Thanks Brother Dean. J iz
cd: Judy this is also a
It is from the book: Mormonism, Shadow or Reality?That you encouraged me to but in SLC. Thanks it came in handy.
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Nice
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Have you ever wondered that from the start that this was planned
Are you going Calvinist? ; )
cd: Cute Kevin:-)
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Moderator.At this time David is not Moderator of this site-I have that job.. If he wishes to be so then I should be informed by David not you. I have not been so informed-till then I will decide not David. So stop trying to stir up trouble John.
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cd:Concerning our Debate-Try and not bring a unloaded gun to a gun fight.
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Actually, he only dreams on this one.
Stirring the pot is trying to do the "moderator's"
job when you are not the moderator JD
On Mon, 13 Mar 2006 07:46:18 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Since I wrote that post, you did it again -- obviously
to make a point, Kevin. You fly in the face of the rules and then
pretend to
How do you reconcile a 30 year old babe?willful disobedience?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:And, agaain, you fail to answer my question. Your comment below makes meaningless the comments found in I Cor 3:1ff and Paul is a liar. I am not going to beg for an answer. I will just assume the obvious
I think the SPIRIT of the rule is not to reply PUBLICly to a PRIVATE post from the moderator. Those posts are not meant to be read by all. I remember a number of PRIVATE posts being replied to publicly under the administartion of a diffferent moderator. I don't think even those were WILLFUL acts
Not my point : )Dean Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:cd: It it a real crises to me Kevin-While St. Preaching I can go home and relax get my mind off the garbage-As Moderator-I am at home and must read every post-no break. I do see your point though.- Original Message - From:
Thou therefore endure hardness, as a good soldier of Jesus Christ.And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not. Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not my point : )Dean Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: cd: It it a real crises to me
I perceive most of you as writing from an 'I've
arrived, I'm mature, I'm without conscious wrongdoing in my life,
perspective.(Iz an exception?) Would your spouses concur? Would your closest
friends concur?
In all my years of connection with the believing
community, I've never met persons
Where are you reading all these "great
claims" Lance?
I read the same TT that you do and I don't see
them. Truth is truth regardless of where each of us
is at today personally... and I know very little
about how each one on TT lives their lives, especially the
men;
and you Lance are the
OOphs!!
Me too?Sorry brotherDean. I did just
what you say below which is "hit send" without checking the subject
line
No evil intent, just not paying enough
attention.
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cd: Judy this is also a rule that does not work
Taken to its ABSURD "logical" conclusion then this must be a example of a PORNO "babe" in Christ. We have a EPIDEMIC of HEARERS and a FAMINE of DOers in the Land! They can recite the word but it makes no difference in their lives. Carey said despite her racy occupation, she's still a Christian
Notice JD the scripture does not say some as in only those that do not grow it clearly say EVERY is cast into the fire. The scripture also tells me clearly I can CONFIDENTLY KNOW (sorry Lance) which ones are which BY THEIR FRUITS! It says nothing about how to be saved. It tells us how to
I am not trying to stir up trouble, Dean. The first time you imposed
your will against me, you cited, among other things, the fact that I
addressed the forum under the banner Moderator Comment +++.
Have you forgotten? Now, the rule has changed for the right side of
aisle...even
Is this a COMMAND or an OPTION? But now I have written unto youNOT to keep company Does Ez 33 talk to those that love to TALK MUCH about how loving and open they are?for with their mouth they shew much love, [but] their heart Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sincerity of belief 1) does
No I did not miss the part about the authors INTENTIONs Did you miss the part about the Authors command to NOT to company with Fornicators? Was it the N word? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And you comment has what to do with my post and the question within: Hey, Kev -- did you somehow miss the part
It boils down to a will problem. Some people just do not care what God has to say about it. It is MY will not thine! Question is, is that the FRUIT of how a real Christian behaves? There goes that ugly N word again. Thou shalt NOT... But every Drunkard justifies their SIN Every Fornicator
Huh??? May I suggest that you worry about Dean, on this point, and let me worry about me. I seriously doubt I will be unprepared.
By the way -- I challenged you because of the assertion that you publically
defeated Bill Taylor "had him for breakfast - in a whim" The
way you worded your
Your inconsistency is duly noted. Like I said -- who is stirring the pot, here -- the one who questions why or the one who violates the rule? Please note this: now that Dean has made it clear that he has not intentions of honoring David's wishes, the subject is a closed matter. I now have my
Maybe Carey is one of those carnal
Babes in Christ? I do wish they would not allow her to attend Republican
events. But then they have to set up a moral litmus test for all attendees at
every fundraiser, and that would be very difficultand weird. It does
provide fodder for the media,
To be fair, Kevin, we are told not to keep
company with Christians who are fornicators. We cannot keep Christian
standards for unbelievers. What do you think? iz
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Porno star Mary Carey . and Bill
Clinton
With a Lutheran grandmother, Carey says she attended church regularly until
the age of 12.
Despite having numerous sexual partners, she remains
proud of her occupation.
"I probably have less sex with those guys than any college girl [typically
BTW, Im supposing this couple are
not Christians. However they seem to think they are, and apparently so
does the writer. So what to do??? How do you witness to people you wont
keep company with??? iz
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Judy, I never inquired Blaine's expertise in astrology regarding my birth
sign, and it would be better to say that my comment to him was about his
INACCURACY in astrology. So take it to the bank that I have been
misrepresented by Dean because of his misreading of my post. Lance is
entirely
Just my 2 cents but I get the idea that in some
cases it is better to let Satan work them over for a spell
until - like the Prodigal Son they come to their
senses and begin to look for a better way, or else become
bitter and give themselves over to self pity and
athiesm or agnosticism...
IFF this query extends from Joanna's commentary
then, I'll simply speak for myself: There are few though not none with whom I'd
not meet for a conversation. The same would apply to them attending any
Christian group I was a part of. I'm more of a non-exclusionary guy.
- Original
John wrote:
You make I Cor 3:1ff of no account.
I'm not sure what you are getting at. The carnal person is the one who
accepts the brother who is fornicating and does not call him to repentance.
Isn't that Paul's message? If they were spiritual, he would not have to
tell them how to handle
FTR, Blaine
sent me an email when it learned it was my birthday last summer and offered to
do an in-depth astrology reading for me and also not to tell anyone on TT about
it. I asked him if he thought the Bible taught against such things, and he
never responded. He is one sneaky fellow
When you write "... scripture does not say some ..." you are quite mistaken.
There are many many scriptures that should influence your conclusions stated in the remainder of this post -- but you simply do not allow them to have a voice.
Why not accept all of scripture, Kevin? Or is your bias
The thing is, some Baptists, some Methodists, some ... name your favorite
sect of Christianity, also are not what you are. Some of them worship idols
too. Do you agree?
David Miller
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Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006
Sometimes YES !!
And they shall not teach again, each man his neighbor and each man his brother, saying, "Know the Lord" FOR THEY SHALL ALL KNOW ME, from the least of them to the greatest of them .. I will forgive them and remember their sins no more." Jere 31:33
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Kevin wrote:
Do you see Jesus Paul using your
Dictionary definition of Christian?
Jesus never used the term Christian and never even heard the term
Christian. Paul was known as a Nazarene (Acts 24:5) and he offers us no
definition for the word Christian. I see the word as refering to those
As soon as you post some of these scriptures we can discuss them (This is the second request) So it seems that your reluctance to post them is what in reality refuses to give them voice. The whole world revolves on that one Partial verse? Is that the life verse of that Porno Babe in Christ? I am
My first duty is to Go and His word. Don't you think? But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner It does not say I can not Talk or witness just "company" EG
That is correct it says one who is CALLED a Christian. "he used to go to church in Englandandconsiders himselfa believer " YUP that qualifies ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To be fair, Kevin, we are told not to keep company with Christians who are fornicators. We
You mean God might really be able and that without you or me? And now, brethren, I commend you to God, and to the word of his grace, which is able to build you up, and to give you an
inheritance among all them which are sanctified. Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance,
Yes, Kevin, for the sake of our discussion, the whole world does revolve around the single Corinthian passage. I assume you believe it to be the inspired word of God as well as any other passage of scripture. I do. So, plug it into your theology (you ahve to do this becaue I cannot ) and you
I'd like to hear jd's response to this post. He keeps acting like his one
little loophole verse not only contradicts, but overrules, the entire rest
of the Bible. iz
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Kevin, you seem to be stuck in a throw out the life preserver mode. Try
to shift gears. Not everything is about saving the lost.
For the purposes of this list, I am interested in engaging people like Dave
in discussion. I think we would be in a much better position of helping
people embrace
Kevin, please read Hebrews 8. This day spoken of in Jer. 31:33 has come
already, so how can you say, That WILL be the day (emphasis mine)?
David Miller.
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From: Kevin Deegan
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Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 3:37 PM
Subject: Re:
Here is how I understand the scripture to
which you are referring. I am not to fellowship
with a hypocritical sinning Christiandont welcome them to
communion. That doesnt mean, IMO, that I cannot have any
interaction with such a person; otherwise how do we draw them into fellowship
and
Why dont you contact them directly?
You have their email addresses, as do the rest of us. iz
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Is such a Believer pleasing to God?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, Kevin, for the sake of our discussion, the whole world does revolve around the single Corinthian passage. I assume you believe it to be the inspired word of God as well as any other passage of scripture. I do. So, plug it into your
You seem more interested in the philosophy of just what is and what is not a christian. Is the dictionary definition correct or not. What is much more important is the fact that DH is headed for eternal torment. Man overboard! Do you want to discuss wether we throw the blue/white life preserver
By the way -- are we allowed to ask as to the status of Gary and DH? They are missed on this forum by some.
jd
That will be the day! Day of the Lord that is. I heard something about Him ruling with a ROD, of iron.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sometimes YES !! And they shall not teach again, each man his neighbor and each man his brother, saying, "Know the Lord" FOR THEY SHALL ALL KNOW ME, from the least of
If I may say so, no they do not have a false prophet and a false bible, as
do mormons. They are not an idolatrous religion. What individual members do
is an entirely different subject. iz
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Many Christian sects, such as Baptists, do have false prophets. I'm talking
about the pastor who misinterprets the Word of God. I was given the left
foot of fellowship from a Baptist pastor once over the fact that I speak in
tongues. Nevertheless, you make a good point about how Mormonism
Have we all forgotten that the DM's comments had to do with how to proceed on TT -- and had nothing to do with is or who is not really a Christian.. This should not take any brain power at all -- I understood David to be talking about a show of respect. As he has said -- "Christian" is not a word
Of course not -- but is such a believeralive in Christ? Certainly.And you still cannot answer my question. Add this ( I Cor 3:1ff)toyourtheological _expression_ in such a way as to allow you to say the very same thing to members of the church, sometime in the future. Tell us how that works in
I have no reason to do it your way, Linda. But thanks for the well meaning advice.
jd
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Why dont you contact them directly? You have their email addresses, as do the rest of us. iz
From:
Two things: First, if you reference David's comments - I happen to agree with David.
Secondly -- I think a theology that cancels out such scriptures as I Cor 3:1ff is a theology from the Accuser. Such thinking mocks the written word and renders the application of scripture to be left to the
Interesting take here, JD. It appears that you think Kevin would never say
to the brethren with whom he is in fellowship, I, brethren, could not speak
unto you as spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ.
Is that really what you think?
I'm not reading this in Kevin. I guess
Undersanding that such language allows for the believer to be alive in Christ while growing out of his/her carnality -- yes., I do not beleive Kevin can saythis. Again -- I am simply asking how this verse fits into his theology without throwing it out with the bath water. To date, it does not
Just to keep on the up N up I never advocated censoring DH. So why would you mention such in a response to me? This really surprises me.Well you are welcome to DO as you see fit. I do not feel called to UNDERSTAND thru discussionthe lost. This is just your own personal Humanistic
So then this verse in particular "EAT" has to do with the Lords supper? What verses in particular refer to the Lords supper? But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an
Are you Amil?David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kevin, please read Hebrews 8. This day spoken of in Jer. 31:33 has come already, so how can you say, "That WILL be the day" (emphasis mine)?David Miller.- Original Message - From: Kevin DeeganTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Monday,
cd:Judy I am not lying.-See below in blue and red.
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From: David Miller
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Sent: 3/13/2006 12:00:46 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Astrology-Miller
Judy, I never inquired Blaine's expertise in astrology regarding my birth sign, and it
Your so smug JD A legend in your own mind.What specifically is your unanswerable question?HaveNO clue what you are talking about here Do the words "for breakfast - in a whim" sound hauntingly familiar[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Of course not -- but is such a believeralive in Christ?
I am no longer Moderator of Truth talk. David requested that I step down-so I have done so.Know that I am not one bit ashamed of my actions as Moderator-The shame belongs those who caused problems and to those who would not support me in this task.
Yours, in Christ, Carroll D. Moore.
Enjoy your Theology [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Two things: First, if you reference David's comments - I happen to agree with David. Secondly -- I think a theology that cancels out such scriptures as I Cor 3:1ff is a theology from the Accuser. Such thinking mocks the written word and renders
And many around here don't know their final destination either![EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Have we all forgotten that the DM's comments had to do with how to proceed on TT -- and had nothing to do with is or who is not really a Christian.. This should not take any brain power at all -- I
I am not going to argue against JD's false characterization of my beliefs David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Interesting take here, JD. It appears that you think Kevin would never say to the brethren with whom he is in fellowship, "I, brethren, could not speak unto you as spiritual, but as
cd: Judy he probably will be the next moderator:-)
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From: Judy Taylor
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 3/13/2006 7:06:34 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] TruthTalk re: continued comments under "Moderator"
Stirring the pot is trying to do the "moderator's" job
Why don't you restate my theology JD Then we can go from there.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Undersanding that such language allows for the believer to be alive in Christ while growing out of his/her carnality -- yes., I do not beleive Kevin can saythis. Again -- I am simply asking how this verse
Vote for JDDean Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:cd: Judy he probably will be the next moderator:-) - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/13/2006 7:06:34 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] TruthTalk re: continued comments under
I already did this -- in a post to David Miller. Just this afternoon, sometime.
I think David believes you can answer the question -- I do not. Prove me wrong. I would have no problem with that.
jd
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Why don't
Some things are beyond understanding Dean; I 'm
reallysorry to hear that you are no longer
the moderator just when I was beginning to enjoy a
different and more palatable list environment;
please don't go anywhere.
On Mon, 13 Mar 2006 19:36:31 -0500 "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
DavidM couldn't possibly be THAT
busy
On Mon, 13 Mar 2006 16:37:46 -0800 (PST) Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
Vote for JDDean Moore
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cd: Judy he probably will be the next
moderator:-)
From: Judy Taylor
cd: O.K. Bro- Since you are not going to voluntary to give your point- What is you point! :-)
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From: Kevin Deegan
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 3/13/2006 8:35:04 AM
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Changed the subj so I do not get accused by the
Not my point :
cd: No need to apologize to me Judy- but I do understand- You were the one who taught me the problem with this rule. Sorry that I could not help you guys more in my Mod. job. Know that I tried.
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Cc:
cd: O.K I bite -Are you suggesting that I stay around and endure the lies-fight the Mormons-Spank the almost Christians-ridicule the Calvinists- and try to understand the non-understandable David?? If not what are you saying? I think we should go to that Mormon site you told me about?Take Judy
cd: Much truth in what you said Kevin.
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From: Kevin Deegan
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Sent: 3/13/2006 7:35:53 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is a Mormon a Christian?
And many around here don't know their final destination either![EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Go ahead a short little one sentence, arestatement of what my belief is on this matter . As you see it.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:I already did this -- in a post to David Miller. Just this afternoon, sometime. I think David believes you can answer the question -- I do not. Prove me wrong. I
Is there subterfuge going on behind the scenes? Maybe JD has been working for the Job all along.Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DavidM couldn't possibly be THAT busyOn Mon, 13 Mar 2006 16:37:46 -0800 (PST) Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:Vote for JDDean Moore [EMAIL
Sorry I just meant it is God's point from His word!Dean Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:cd: O.K. Bro- Since you are not going to voluntary to give your point- What is you point! :-) - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/13/2006
cd; They have been in contact with Miller- Blain, DH ,John, Gary- and believe it or not Glen tabor.All in one group e-Mail-of which I seem to be the topic.
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To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 3/13/2006 3:55:01 PM
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk]
With what about FOUR posts on the issue JD did see the evil intentions of all you posters that don't check first.Remember KIDDIES, my granny says, always check the subj line before you hit send.Dean Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:cd: No need to apologize to me Judy- but I do
John? I knew he wasrunning for MODERATerr!Thats OK DeanI thought it was way overboard GT' statement about my Mother! Nothing should surprise with this crowd.Dean Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:cd; They have been in contact with Miller- Blain, DH ,John, Gary- and
I can see the fix is in. Something wicked this way comes.Dean Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:cd: O.K I bite -Are you suggesting that I stay around and endure the lies-fight the Mormons-Spank the almost Christians-ridicule the Calvinists- and try to understand the non-understandable David??
Take I Cor 3:1ff and put that in perspective with your expressed theology on sin and continuing with those who are carnal. You know the question and we all know of your theologyon the matters cited above. But no one knows how you fit I Cor 3:1ff into a present time theology. So, is it a secret?
This "fellowship " is anti - charismatic !!
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The following requirements are mandatory for all members accepted into the Street Preachers Fellowship.1. Each person wishing to join the Fellowship must first submit an application to the Assistant Director of
Why do ppl so love darkness and gossip and one
upping the next guy??
Along with stirring the pot - where's the
love??
On Mon, 13 Mar 2006 20:22:45 -0500 "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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cd; They have been in contact with Miller- Blain, DH ,John,
Gary- and believe it or not
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