well, if you all are going to quit because I came on line -- I'll just lurk.
jd
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Ditto Judy's comments from me
jd
-- Original message -- From: Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Christine, I can't
Ditto Judy's comments from me
jd
-- Original message -- From: Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Christine, I can't see the picture - Must be my Norton spam blocker or something, is there another
way you could send it? Have really enjoyed you. Thanks for being a blessing
Write with special thoughts and "whats happenin" amy time.
God Bless.
-- Original message -- From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Thank you so much for the photos of your beautiful self and family. I agree with JD; our kids outdo us to the max! I cant
Some you know as members of TT. Others have been named. And still others will remain unnamed -- people who would have no meaning to you. Not to be left out of the mix are Christ and Paul..in that order. Christ the author and finisher. Paul - the patient and courageous theologian.
This, of course, is not the truth. You already know what I do. Now, because your memory is no longer than your brain stem means nothing to me. You ask only to cause trouble. But go to the archives and look it up.
The bean count still belongs to the Lord.
jd
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Christ's mentoring is what made the 12 apostles the force they were. Let's see -- that's 12 divided by three (years) and a 100 years later , they tell me there was somewhere around 6 million Christians. But make fun of it if you will.
Part of mentoring (read:discipleship) is the giving up
I trust you know that many are in prayer for you and yours.
John
-- Original message -- From: "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
I do know that with a thankful heart, Iz. Lance
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maybe God is trying to tell you something, Kevin. The "x" in the box is probably not what you had in mind.
jd
-- Original message -- From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using Yahoo! Messenger with Voice.
Since you are right about everything else, you must be right about this. Sorry I asked.
jd
-- Original message -- From: Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Your buddy JD, the one who sent you the baseball bat; apparently he was lucid
enough to accomplish that; the rest
Good post -- as far as it goes. What you leave out is this : they never fully arrived !!! God remained patient. Kinda like it is right now.
jd
-- Original message -- From: Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Truth and freedom go hand in hand, but truth will pr
Can't make disciples without mentoring - it is impossible. Apparently you do not know this -- I'm guessing you don't do it or you wouldn't make fun of the idea.
jd
jd
-- Original message -- From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Go ye into all the world and M
Who is Gary Olson?
-- Original message -- From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
LOL! So true as to be hilarious. iz
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Judy TaylorSent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 3:04 PMTo: TruthTalk@mail.inng
In the past two days, some 28 posts similar to this one in terms of content. Number 29 is only a few minutes away.
jd
-- Original message -- From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
O that is right I remember, now.
You said two door & Blue[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
tower power -- nothing much to report in terms of results.
Protest-evangelism -- ditto.
Mentor evangeliism -- it is the method of historical record --- how he church grew from 12 to several million within its first 100 years of life.
jd
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Judy -- I do know what you believe. Let me make something clear since our time together is quickly coming to an end. "Carnal" applies to you, IMO, because of what I see as a reliance on your own brand of intellectualism. As a result, you own the most unusual collection of theological opinio
Left to right -- Chad - the Lawyer; Julie - Miss everything in HighSchool and worship leader at her church; Russ - worship leader , business owner -- Nancy, the youngest, worship leader and new Mom for the second time. James, the doctor son is not pictured. I raised Russ and James after t
sent earlier -- [TruthTalk] re: pictures
They took my picture right after I found out that I had received yet another post from Judy Taylor. Note the blank look on my roughedly handsome face.
jd
-- Original message -- From: Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Nice
Refer to Matt 28 19ff and Mark 16:15 ff -- and stop prestending that you alone understand scripture. Your BSF buddies do not think much of your theology, that is for sure.
jd
-- Original message -- From: Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
"preach the gospel" and
I made the mistake of answering this line of questioning in detail, before. No point in doing it again.
jd
-- Original message -- From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Tell us about some of your AMAZING sucess stories!
Have you discipled any other Bishops?
Who a
Results that combine both commands, "preach the gospel" and "make disciples/"
jd
-- Original message -- From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Results? #3
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Three kinds of evangelism present on this list.
1.. Drive-bye or protest evangeli
Well, I certainly think you qualify as the house pro on zero.
-- Original message -- From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
I knew a guy that got so bothered dealing with cult members, in frustration he said "let them go to hell" He meant it and so many today mig
Judy is "implicitly" a liar. Do you get the point!!
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On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 04:32:50 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] edits:
myth (the statement of a man of God inspired by the Spirit of God employed as feminists' rhetoric)
Like I said -- and it can be proven -- you three can dish it out but you cry and whine everytime the tables are reversed. You (each of the three of you ) have judged myself, Lance, Bill, Debbie even, and G as if you were the dispenser of grace. You could not get more hypocritical.
I do
I said exactly what I had in mind, Judy. A "carnal babe" is still someone made alive in Christ. "Jezebel spirit" does not define you from my perspective. It is funny, to me, that you [all] can dish it out ("unsaved, messenger boys of Satan, of the Accuser, a product of the hell you pr
Our prayers are with you.
John
-- Original message -- From: "Joanna Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Lance, our prayers are with you, with her and your family. Talk with you soon
Joanna
From: "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgTo: Sub
Ya got me !!
-- Original message -- From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Why is it that you only call women rebellious; and only when they disagree with you? Your masochistic roots are exposed. iz
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Where did you go to school ?
-- Original message -- From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Great idea, jd!!! And how about everyone who wants their child to grow up to be a son of hell should send their children to the local government schools? iz
From:
Shucks !!
And, did you note that us "liberals" do not agree on everything? One is not the puppet of the other. For my money, you are the poster girl for "carnal Christian" if same includes "rebellions" as an indicator.
jd
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God did !! In 26 seconds OR LESS... or maybe 13.5 million.
-- Original message -- From: Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God
Who spoke the worlds into existence?
On Sat, 25 Mar 2
Three kinds of evangelism present on this list.
1.. Drive-bye or protest evangelismKevin , Dean, David (often but not always)
2. Tower of power evangelism -- where the saint does her best work at home and not in the real world.
3. Mentor evangelism (Lance , Bill and others)
Like I said, Judy, your spirit is as carnal as any. When you get that "fixed," talk to me. You''ll still have my e-mail.
jd
-- Original message -- From: Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
And why is it present? Not enough power emanating from the cross to get rid
Here's an idea -- maybe the church could actually do its job !! You know, instead of paying the local school district to do it.
jd
-- Original message -- From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Solution: teach false theories.
From: [EMAIL PROTE
LOL we're talking serious humor. I am laughing too hard to do anything but go and put the coffee on. Back in a few.
-- Original message -- From: "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
How long Oh David, how long?
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Me, a shotgun, five weeks, a trot line, lots of dead bluejays (their breast meat is the same as dove), all the wild mushrooms, onions, clover, young cattails (looks a bit like celery) I could eat -- watching the cute little Humming Birds bite and devour one another -- probably the meanest
Linda -- politically, I am a rightwinger -- but who went to war for what reason? And, did you miss Lnace's good point? What kind of fit will you pitch when the Muslim population wins a court fight to teach their view of whats happening now in our schools !!??
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Judy, you are as carnal a spirited babe as I have ever known. So get off your high horse. There is a difference between defending sin and admitting to its presence.
-- Original message -- From: Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
The old house was judged at the cross;
With man , it is impossible but with God, it is possible. Your illustration is more to the point that we are saved by the miracle of God apart from our works.
-- Original message -- From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Perhaps a poor analogy. But we didnt
What's scary is that you think the solution is to have an antagonistic educator "teach" what he does not believe -- you thinking, of course, that he will do so without commentary that thoroughly negates the purpose of this compromise. In the real world, Linda, you simply cannot construct a mo
Make that 5 posts.
-- Original message -- From: Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
You JD have rejected substance unless conformed to your liking and by then it is no longer substance but mixture.
So what would be the point??
On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 11:33:51 + [EMAIL P
If I can have no opinion about the creation because I wasn't there, then you are excluded for the same reason. Certainly I wasn't there, but I know how to read AND comprehend at the same time. That ability came my way shortly after learning to walk upright. When will it happen to you?
jd
Selling the old house and building the new house is precisely what does not happen in new birth. What you moved to avoid is the real analogy. I am surprised that you think differently.
jd
-- Original message -- From: "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
'Renov
Of course. But that is not really the issue.
-- Original message -- From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
So IYO it is better to have secular folk teaching untruth than truth. I see
. izzy
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I have been aware of such musings, myself.
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as the accumulating evidence suggests, certain Words do reveal precisely many monotonous mutual monolithic musings mangling males
On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 05:39:37 -0600 "Shie
Science is great -- but this is a good illustration of just how ridiculous even scientist can get. So it only took the Big Lizard how many millions of years to say "Good night and good luck?"
-- Original message -- From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
And
We have at leat three general patterns represented here on TT:
1. Drive-by or protest evangelism.
2. Ivory tower evangelism.
3. Mentor evangelism.
I have made my choice.
Enough said.
jd
It's not what is taught (for me and in this case) so much as it is WHO TEACHES THEM. You want the secular world to be responsible -- I don't.
jd
-- Original message -- From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > So, here we are, back to the fact that IF you bel
Amen and thank you.
John
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From: Debbie Sawczak
To: 'Lance Muir'
Sent: March 24, 2006 21:02
Subject: Goodbye, and thanks for all the ichthys
I was afraid this was too l
z
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Why? What do they do for you?
It's all about him, his thoughts, his opinions, the movies he sees, etc. etc.
On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 01:09:26 +00
I rest my case !! And a fourth post (of the morning) that is absolutely content free talk about "substance abuse !!" that is what goes on in your your posts.
jd
-- Original message -- From: Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Big problem JD; the "bibl
Why can't it be the way it is written? Well - I wouldn't know the answer to that, Judy. I am talking about what is written. 26 seconds versus 144 hours is about what is written. Your little proof text has nothing to do with the topic of creation and this Genesis account.
The reason w
Just quoting your words while mocking Lance --
And your comments on "FUNDIES" have hurt me, kd
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Are you trying?
Why would my feelings be hurt?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So file a claim ! Or are
So file a claim ! Or are you afraid the judge might not see it as libel ?!!
(I am there with the humor -- have I hurt your feelings yet?)
-- Original message -- From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
The Lack of understanding is just laziness of thought and lack of e
Exact - a - mundo !!
-- Original message -- From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Can't make the old man act new, anymore than you can make a Mannequin dance Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
There is no such thing as a "renovated" heart Lance; more misund
I was responding to this jewel: violent thinking is not violent action > And who gets elected to be the thought police anyway?
-- Original message -- From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> If I am talking like Hill & North it must be a typo or More Likely a Parity Erro
actually, that is not true. But go with it !! Who cares.
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It goes beyond taking responsibility Judy.
You have been accussed of having the same murderous spirit as that bunch of Dominionists and Reformed Papi
David, allow me this moment to reveal just a tad about the Smithmeister. Bulldogery is that which speaks of my passion. Indeed, I have gotten angry twice, here on TT, both times following one of your priceless comments . Twice in three years (going back a ways .)?!! Not bad, I think.
:-) I shall miss these pithy responses.
jd
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After reading you, I'm inclined toward a YES!
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From: Kevin Deegan
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Sent: March 24, 2006 06:35
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
What do I believe about Genesis? Did you read any of my posts?
Science has no answers to our confusion, our bondage, our need for community and an innate longing to live beyond what we see. As soon as we turn Genesis into a statement of science, we les
Mann instituted public education as an alternative to the existing private and religious system of the day. That is what I am talking about. What the Puritans did in the 1600's is NOT what I am talking about. I am telling you that public education started in Mass. as a reaction to "religious"
No one's talking about "thought police," Kev. If you want to talk like Hill and North - expect the rest of us who listen to you to think you are of the same ilk, denials not withstanding. That's all I am saying.
jd
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My answer is Lance's. In view of that , I will interject this comment -- your alternative is not the only consideration. I do not want the secular system giving review to matters of faith. Nothing good would be accomplished -- and high school kids, by and large, do not "believe in evolut
Excellent !
jd
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No, I wish I could be with them every day to do that, but I only get to teach them when I visit them out of state. The girls have been reading since they were four years old and ar
Hats off to you , Linda, on this one. It starts with our families. We can yell and scream at each other, here on TT, but some of our decisions can damn our children. Your patience and trust in the Lord is above the call.
jd
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If "it" refers to creationism , you didn't read my last paragraph. And I do believe in [my brand of ] creationism --- still don't want it taught in the secular school system.
jd
-- Original message -- From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
You didnt answ
can you transfer ownership and just move on??
jd
-- Original message -- From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Well, it is Friday. Time to say our goodbyes. > > I will leave the list up through the weekend to give time for lurkers to > catch up and perhaps make thei
http://www.starboundranch.com/
http://www.millerformayor.ca/
Who was the violent one? Rushdooney or his son-in-law?
http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig/sandlin10.html
jd
-- Original message -- From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > So you learned something. > He was a leader in the Dominion/Reconstruction movement I believe he >
IFO can accept this self-characterization. But when your words sound like North's or Paul Hill's, they allow others to see a similarity in your thoughts as compared to the violent thinking of those named above.
jd
-- Original message -- From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PR
I believe Lance has the more accurate picture of what I was trying to convey.
jd
-- Original message -- From: "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
I read his father-in-law's 'Institutes of Biblical Law' (RJR). I read some of North's books. I followed him during the Y2K co
Yes. Look at Pat Robertson. If he were president, he would be killing heads of state he considers enemies of the [our] state.
jd
-- Original message -- From: "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
You certainly have! (see Iz, Judy, Kevin & David) Stage direction: The
I have never heard of Gary North, but I see his theology in much that has been written on TT.
jd
-- Original message -- From: "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Funny, I would've thought that you and Gary would be best buds.
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A guy who thinks "ur mutha wears Combat (let's be sure to capitalized that word) boots" has something to say concerning [real] discussion on TT !!?? Tell me it isn't so.
jd
-- Original message -- From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Is there any doubt why there is
Dog-gone it all. Why do you say such things??!! Past collegues? You mean those guys you knew 18 years ago before you became a software programer?? Your teachers back in the college days of your youth?
jd
By the way, every past colleague of mine that I have argued this point, about cre
Public education was first offered as an alternaive to Christian education.
jd
-- Original message -- From: "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
No, it is not 'strange'. In most cases 'creation science' reflects neither.
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There is much about this list that I like. I remain a political conservative when it comes to the increase of states rights, free enterprise, spending within our means,
property rights, and those sort of things. Neither the Republican nor Democrate parties demonstrate values similar to mine
Are you the teacher?
-- Original message -- From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Im so thankful that my 4 grandchildren are being homeschooled so they can be taught the Truth! Lance and jd; should it be illegal for them to be taught about Creationism at ho
What do I believe about Genesis? Did you read any of my posts?
Science has no answers to our confusion, our bondage, our need for community and an innate longing to live beyond what we see. As soon as we turn Genesis into a statement of science, we lessen its value to the human sp
Linda, I believe that de-evolution is a much stronger force than evolution. I believe that natural selection only works when a mutation creates not only the change , itself, but a population with the same mutation and a reproductive proclivity that prevents the unique from being absorbed BACK int
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You two guy's version of "checkmate" is really humorous.
-- Original message -- From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Back to the drawing board, he did not THINK of that.David Miller <[EMAIL P
You two guy's version of "checkmate" is really humorous.
-- Original message -- From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Back to the drawing board, he did not THINK of that.David Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Lance wrote:
> There are as many 'species' of creationi
Hear that, Judy. Who would have believed you to be a party girl. -- jd
Lance wrote:> Would you apply the word 'bias' equally> to yourself and, to Judy with the same force?No, I would not.I have a bias, but it is not as strong as the bias in place when a person has the establishment behind hi
Weee, yeaahh. And your point?
-- Original message -- From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
WE DON'T NEED TO BE IN THE SCHOOL SYSTEM IF WE ARE DOING OUR JOB
Our Job is NOT the school system or Politics, render unto Cesear
Unless of course you are swayed by
Well gosh . thank you !!
I am out of the office for awhile -- but it truly has been fun !!
jd
-- Original message -- From: "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
You have risen to new heights, soon to be appointed ARCHbishop, John.
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David !! Honestly, this is one of the sorriest posts you have ever written. First, an atheist mocks God and I am no atheist.
Secondly, the reason you are confused with what I said (144 hours of time to speak the words of creation that took only 26 seconds to actually speak) is rather simple
Daivd, I have several books on my shelves written by Christian scientists proclaiming some version of theistic evolution.
Secondly, you and are both members of the fundamentalist community. If you have missed the M.O. of any number of our brethren, I haven't.
Look at Pat Robertson
And who is going to present these competing versions of creation -- the average Joe school teacher ?? Do you have any idea what an antagonist educator would do with such information? Actually, this "creationism in the school" thingy is really starting to sound like a bad idea !!
jd
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With much debate, the Fundies destroy any opportunity to place "creationism" into the school programs for the reason stated below. Amen.
And, again, a foot in the door would only allow the warring hordes (Rad Fundies) to swarm our educational institutions and run helter skelter -- yelling
Yet, how much time did you spend doing the same to others !!?? Give me a break.
jd
-- Original message -- From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Gnats have injured my ego more than you and yours are capable of doing. Too > bad your objectives on TT are thwarted.
What in the hell do you think I have been talking about? You are so far off course here, as to be just plain silly. I am not a "big banger" nor do I believe that a lung fish is ancient family. In fact, I am with the growing opinion that there has not been enough time for evolution to have wo
I am talking about what we teach in school and Judy comes back with something about "the secret things" and then Kevin, bless his little heart, comes back with something about reading the Bible --- NEW FLASH !!! Obviously TT as a DISCUSSION GROUP died some time ago !!
Over here , guys
"Believe in God's word" is fundy code for "believe as I do."
When we have been dispersed, take with you the knowledge that not one single Rad Fundy has given any of us a clue as to what "doctrine" they are talking about.
You must obey the commandments !!! they yell to the others. W
And sure enough, you did this very thing -- Be sure to answer with "the right one, John -- duh !! Your wording a little different, but it is the same ridiculous non-answer.
-- Original message -- From: Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Well of course you couldn't
what on earth are you talking about, Judy !!! Secret things ??? So you decided to just stay off subject? Whatever.
-- Original message -- From: Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Some ppl are willing to let God be God JD
The secret things belong to the Lord a
I'm talking about fundy creationist versions in the school systems and you are talking about religious people!!! Amazing
Maybe we should install a different creationist version for every major school system ... I am sure we can find enough fundy ideas to go around. That
We are still waitig !
-- Original message -- From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Someone said
render to Cesear what is Cesear's [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So which fundamentalist version of creation do you support. That A & E were spirit people. A 6000 year da
I think I now have enough evidence to put you in the slammer -- for beinging a "peeping tom." Big time mistake, THIS time.
-- Original message -- From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Your MUTHA wears Combat boots![EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Go back to sleep, Judy,
So which fundamentalist version of creation do you support. That A & E were spirit people. A 6000 year date or a 10,000 or an "unknown" e.t. ? The version that says it took God 144 hours to speak words that can be spoken in 24 seconds !!! I just did it in 24 big ones !! including a d
froth around the edges of the lips.
-- Original message -- From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Then maybe you can flesh it out for the rest of us.
I am sure Lance can not/will not
I am sure we can see the difference, but just what are the symptoms of that particular
There is no point in such posts. You can't get it right with Stone/Campbell. no point in believing you can get it right concerning anything else. Information sources need to be predictably accurate -- not just predictable. .
jd
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