Re: [TruthTalk] Baptism and the Lord's Supper

2002-10-10 Thread GJTabor
Glenn wrote: > 1 Tim. 5:10 states that footwashing is a > good work.  I don't view good works as > an ordinance. Hold on a minute.  This passage is not speaking about a ceremony of footwashing, which is what some Christians do when they sit around in a circle, take their shoes off, and wash each

Re: [TruthTalk] Baptism and the Lord's Supper

2002-10-10 Thread GJTabor
Glenn wrote: > I should have said two CHURCH ordinances. > I believe there is salvation by grace through faith > plus nothing minus nothing. So what does that term "ordinance" mean in your usage?  What is the distinction you are now trying to make by saying "Church" ordinance as opposed to "Chrit

Re: [TruthTalk] Baptism and the Lord's Supper

2002-10-10 Thread David Miller
Laura wrote: > I agree it is a work so is baptism if it is done > for the wrong reasons. Would everyone please define what they mean by the following terms: 1. Work 2. Ordinance 3. Sacrament Thanks. David Miller -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, th

Re: [TruthTalk] Baptism and the Lord's Supper

2002-10-10 Thread David Miller
Glenn wrote: > 1 Tim. 5:10 states that footwashing is a > good work. I don't view good works as > an ordinance. Hold on a minute. This passage is not speaking about a ceremony of footwashing, which is what some Christians do when they sit around in a circle, take their shoes off, and wash each

Re: [TruthTalk] Baptism and the Lord's Supper

2002-10-10 Thread David Miller
Glenn wrote: > I should have said two CHURCH ordinances. > I believe there is salvation by grace through faith > plus nothing minus nothing. So what does that term "ordinance" mean in your usage? What is the distinction you are now trying to make by saying "Church" ordinance as opposed to "Chrit

Re: [TruthTalk] Baptism and the Lord's Supper

2002-10-10 Thread CHamm56114
In a message dated 10/10/2002 9:05:14 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 1 Tim. 5:10 states that footwashing is a good work.  I don't view good works as an ordinance. To me it's a no brainer, but some denominations make it more than a good work.  They make it equal to the Lord's

Re: [TruthTalk] Baptism and the Lord's Supper

2002-10-10 Thread GJTabor
We have to go easy on the women, after all, God is against them doing anything in the church but washing floors, right?  Mormons and Islam are both pretty much anti-women.  DAVEH:  Thanx, Laura.  I don't see that as a can of worms for you.  Who were you worried about...Brother Glenn?  If I we

Re: [TruthTalk] Baptism and the Lord's Supper

2002-10-10 Thread GJTabor
Again, we missed the point due to your brain being washed with Mormonism. Yes, but what you don't realize is we fight as brothers and sisters in Christ, not as followers of Satan versus followers of Christ.  It's just like physical brothers and sisters. DAVEH: Ahhh..I understand.  I suppo

Re: [TruthTalk] Baptism and the Lord's Supper

2002-10-10 Thread CHamm56114
In a message dated 10/10/2002 9:01:03 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yes, but what you don't realize is we fight as brothers and sisters in Christ, not as followers of Satan versus followers of Christ.  It's just like physical brothers and sisters You don't understand    God

Re: [TruthTalk] Baptism and the Lord's Supper

2002-10-10 Thread GJTabor
1 Tim. 5:10 states that footwashing is a good work.  I don't view good works as an ordinance. To me it's a no brainer, but some denominations make it more than a good work.  They make it equal to the Lord's Supper because Jesus washed feet before instituting the Supper.  They say, "Jesus commanded

Re: [TruthTalk] Baptism and the Lord's Supper

2002-10-10 Thread CHamm56114
I agree with you    I would call it a sacrement but I guess they use the words interchangeably.  Apparently years ago it was a real issue between the Free Will Baptists in Tennessee and North Carolina.  My church would be considered liberal by many FWB and many of our people are children of parents

Re: [TruthTalk] Baptism and the Lord's Supper

2002-10-10 Thread Dave
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, but what you don't realize is we fight as brothers and sisters in Christ, not as followers of Satan versus followers of Christ.  It's just like physical brothers and sisters. DAVEH: Ahhh..I understand.  I suppose there have been real "brothers and sisters"

Re: [TruthTalk] Baptism and the Lord's Supper

2002-10-10 Thread Dave
  DAVEH:  Thanx, Laura.  I don't see that as a can of worms for you.  Who were you worried about...Brother Glenn?  If I were to admit that we practice a similar rite, I'm suspect he'd have more than a few critical comments in reply.  But, I think you are in a safe harbor!    :-)   [EMAIL P

Re: [TruthTalk] Baptism and the Lord's Supper

2002-10-10 Thread David Miller
Laura wrote: > In our church we practice footwashing. I believe footwashing is a sacrament in that I have seen it bring the grace of Christ to people and affect their relationship with their brothers and sisters, and with Jesus Christ. I don't like the term "ordinance" because it sounds like a l

Re: [TruthTalk] Baptism and the Lord's Supper

2002-10-10 Thread GJTabor
I should have said two CHURCH ordinances.  I believe there is salvation by grace through faith plus nothing minus nothing.  Church of Christ believes one is saved by baptism and believe one continues to be saved by the Lord's Supper.  If you miss the Lord's Supper on Sunday and you die that week, y

Re: [TruthTalk] Baptism and the Lord's Supper

2002-10-10 Thread CHamm56114
In our church we practice footwashing. It is done on an optional basis and is not considered a requirement for salvation or anything else but is considered a reminder of the example of humility and service that Christ taught us. We do it once a year around Easter but some churches do it more

Re: [TruthTalk] Baptism and the Lord's Supper

2002-10-10 Thread GJTabor
Yes, but what you don't realize is we fight as brothers and sisters in Christ, not as followers of Satan versus followers of Christ.  It's just like physical brothers and sisters.  Glenn to DaveL - See here is the difference between we united Christians DAVEH:  Ahhh yes.I think I've

Re: [TruthTalk] Baptism and the Lord's Supper

2002-10-10 Thread David Miller
Laura wrote: > Nope. You'd never believe it. Our denomination > calls it an ordinance and I don't know if I agree > but I don't have a problem with it either. Can't > go there because it will open up a can of worms. I'd like to know what it is too. Is it ordination? Peace be with you. D

Re: [TruthTalk] Baptism and the Lord's Supper

2002-10-10 Thread David Miller
Glenn wrote: > I believe the Christian ordinances are two: baptism > and the Lord's Supper. I believe they are outward > rites appointed by Christ to be administered in each > church, not as a means of salvation, but as a visible > sign and seal of its reality. (Acts 2:36; > 1 Corinthians 11:24-

Re: [TruthTalk] Baptism and the Lord's Supper

2002-10-09 Thread Dave
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I doubt you would ever guess, it is so far off the wall.  :-) DAVEH:  So what's the problem with mentioning it??? I believe the Christian ordinances are two: baptism and the Lord's Supper.  I believe they are outward rites appointed by Christ to be

Re: [TruthTalk] Baptism and the Lord's Supper

2002-10-09 Thread Dave
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Glenn to DaveL - See here is the difference between we united Christians DAVEH:  Ahhh yes.I think I've seen "united Christians " in action here on TT in times past! and the divided Mormons.  Laura is all wrong on the 3rd ordinance, but I think no less of

Re: [TruthTalk] Baptism and the Lord's Supper

2002-10-09 Thread Dave
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 10/9/2002 11:02:41 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Glenn to DaveL - See here is the difference between we united Christians and the divided Mormons.  Laura is all wrong on the 3rd ordinance, but I think no less of her a

Re: [TruthTalk] Baptism and the Lord's Supper

2002-10-09 Thread Dave
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 10/9/2002 10:40:26 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: DAVEH:   Ah.come on now, Laura.  Is the 3rd one "marriage"??? Nope You'd never believe it.  Our denomination calls it an ordinance and I don't know

Re: [TruthTalk] Baptism and the Lord's Supper

2002-10-09 Thread CHamm56114
In a message dated 10/9/2002 11:02:41 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Glenn to DaveL - See here is the difference between we united Christians and the divided Mormons.  Laura is all wrong on the 3rd ordinance, but I think no less of her as a Christian because of it.  She thin

Re: [TruthTalk] Baptism and the Lord's Supper

2002-10-09 Thread GJTabor
Glenn to DaveL - See here is the difference between we united Christians and the divided Mormons.  Laura is all wrong on the 3rd ordinance, but I think no less of her as a Christian because of it.  She thinks I am wrong on the 3rd ordinance.  But it doesn't matter.  We are brother and sister in Chr

Re: [TruthTalk] Baptism and the Lord's Supper

2002-10-09 Thread GJTabor
I doubt you would ever guess, it is so far off the wall.  :-) I believe the Christian ordinances are two: baptism and the Lord's Supper.  I believe they are outward rites appointed by Christ to be administered in each church, not as a means of salvation, but as a visible sign and seal of its reali

Re: [TruthTalk] Baptism and the Lord's Supper

2002-10-09 Thread CHamm56114
In a message dated 10/9/2002 10:40:26 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: DAVEH:   Ah.come on now, Laura.  Is the 3rd one "marriage"??? Nope You'd never believe it.  Our denomination calls it an ordinance and I don't know if I agree but I don't have a problem with i

Re: [TruthTalk] Baptism and the Lord's Supper

2002-10-09 Thread Dave
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 10/9/2002 6:29:13 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I believe the Christian ordinances are two: baptism and the Lord's Supper.  I believe they are outward rites appointed by Christ to be administered in each church, not as

Re: [TruthTalk] Baptism and the Lord's Supper

2002-10-09 Thread CHamm56114
In a message dated 10/9/2002 6:29:13 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I believe the Christian ordinances are two: baptism and the Lord's Supper.  I believe they are outward rites appointed by Christ to be administered in each church, not as a means of salvation, but as a visibl

[TruthTalk] Baptism and the Lord's Supper

2002-10-09 Thread GJTabor
I believe the Christian ordinances are two: baptism and the Lord's Supper.  I believe they are outward rites appointed by Christ to be administered in each church, not as a means of salvation, but as a visible sign and seal of its reality.  (Acts 2:36; 1 Corinthians 11:24-34).