Re: [TruthTalk] POLYANYI

2004-03-28 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 3/28/2004 9:36:16 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well, of course we are brothers!!   We are all children of God, are we not?  I see no way to consider you as anything but a brother who worships Jesus Christ.  Your beliefs may not always coincide with mine,

RE: [TruthTalk] POLYANYI

2004-03-28 Thread ShieldsFamily
  ROFL!!! That’s “priceless”. J Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Blaine Borrowman  Izzy, Yes, I am aware of your perceptions, have been for a long time--how could I miss it?  LOL  But you are wrong.  The big surprise was all mine

Re: [TruthTalk] POLYANYI

2004-03-28 Thread Blaine Borrowman
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] POLYANYI In a message dated 3/28/2004 7:17:05 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Blaine Borrowman) Blaine.   Was it Lance who was saying that your Christ is different from my Christ? I believe you said that you believed

Re: [TruthTalk] POLYANYI

2004-03-28 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 3/28/2004 7:17:05 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Blaine Borrowman) Blaine.   Was it Lance who was saying that your Christ is different from my Christ? I believe you said that you believed in Christ so that made you a Christian and then

Re: [TruthTalk] POLYANYI

2004-03-28 Thread Blaine Borrowman
not taking care of the lawn.  Blaine - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2004 1:50 AM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] POLYANYI Because I don’t think the same voice speaks to you that speaks to me. There’s the voice of t

RE: [TruthTalk] POLYANYI

2004-03-28 Thread ShieldsFamily
Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2004 12:15 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] POLYANYI   Why scary?  B - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 8:58 PM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] POLYANYI

Re: [TruthTalk] POLYANYI

2004-03-27 Thread Blaine Borrowman
Why scary?  B - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 8:58 PM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] POLYANYI Very scary, Blaine. Iz     Blaine:  This is very interesting Izzy.  I have had

Re: [TruthTalk] POLYANYI

2004-03-27 Thread Kevin Deegan
le.   Bill - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2004 6:30 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] POLYANYI And I am talking about your love for one heretic after another. You still have not produced one shred of evidence that the men & their

RE: [TruthTalk] POLYANYI

2004-03-27 Thread ShieldsFamily
PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Judy Taylor Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 10:37 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [TruthTalk] POLYANYI     Everyone has stuff that "just comes to them" - where it comes from is the question. This is why believers should have

Re: [TruthTalk] POLYANYI

2004-03-27 Thread Wm. Taylor
Drop it Kevin. Unless I am confused about Who you are, I don't need to. Please stop trying to cause trouble.   Bill - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2004 6:30 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] POLYANYI

Re: [TruthTalk] POLYANYI

2004-03-27 Thread Kevin Deegan
in. Remember to look for the context. I'm being sarcastic here. Get it? - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2004 6:20 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] POLYANYI Great wonderful bravo! You guys fawn over one apostate after another.   James

Re: [TruthTalk] POLYANYI

2004-03-27 Thread Wm. Taylor
Kevin, Past, Kevin. Remember to look for the context. I'm being sarcastic here. Get it? - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2004 6:20 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] POLYANYI Great wonderful bravo!

Re: [TruthTalk] POLYANYI

2004-03-27 Thread Kevin Deegan
Great wonderful bravo! You guys fawn over one apostate after another.   James 2 But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors. "Wm. Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Great, well said, wonderful, bravo. Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center -

Re: [TruthTalk] POLYANYI

2004-03-27 Thread Kevin Deegan
1 JN 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.   When the spirits say different things there is some lying going on.   Proverbs 27 A prudent man foreseeth the evil, and hideth himself; but the simple

Re: [TruthTalk] POLYANYI

2004-03-26 Thread Wm. Taylor
apologies for any confusion I may have caused.   Bill - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 9:21 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] POLYANYI In a message dated 3/26/2004 7:31:46 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL

[TruthTalk] POLYANYI

2004-03-26 Thread Judy Taylor
 Everyone has stuff that "just comes to them" - where it comes from is the question. This is why believers should have spiritual discernment. There are lots of spirits talking all the time.  jt   Blaine:  This is very interesting Izzy.  I have had similar experiences.  I thought

Re: [TruthTalk] POLYANYI

2004-03-26 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 3/26/2004 7:31:46 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Great, well said, wonderful, bravo. But what does any of it have to do with what Newbigin and I were saying? Yeeeks.  You got me. I have to confess  --  I did not understand much of what Newbigin was sayi

RE: [TruthTalk] POLYANYI

2004-03-26 Thread ShieldsFamily
Very scary, Blaine. Iz     Blaine:  This is very interesting Izzy.  I have had similar experiences.  I thought Mormons were the only ones who did this.  LOL

Re: [TruthTalk] POLYANYI

2004-03-26 Thread Wm. Taylor
Great, well said, wonderful, bravo. But what does any of it have to do with what Newbigin and I were saying?    - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 7:49 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] POLYANYI In a

Re: [TruthTalk] POLYANYI

2004-03-26 Thread Wm. Taylor
uth is another fallacy of the very model I have been criticizing for days and days and days. DON'T ASK ME NOW TO DEFEND IT.  ER!   BT   - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 7:38 PM Subject: [TruthTalk]

Re: [TruthTalk] POLYANYI

2004-03-26 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 3/26/2004 6:20:30 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: suppose you got the point of Newbigin Thanks for the response.   Not to sound flippant, but I would say that I got the point of Paul.   In the opening chapters of Romans,  he says something that is not rea

[TruthTalk] POLYANYI

2004-03-26 Thread Judy Taylor
From: "Wm. Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I suppose you got the point of Newbigin -- He was criticizing the dualisms present in the scientific model and not edorsing them. Faith is inferior to knowledge only if there is indeed a gap between the mind (the home of faith) and the real world (the

Re: [TruthTalk] POLYANYI

2004-03-26 Thread Wm. Taylor
the other.    Bill Taylor - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 6:20 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] POLYANYI In a message dated 3/25/2004 10:38:58 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Locke

Re: [TruthTalk] POLYANYI

2004-03-26 Thread ttxpress
Sherrie understood it, quite clearly, in fact--you completely missed her point   (Maybe you'd better stick to reading Polanyi:)     On Fri, 26 Mar 2004 08:24:23 -0700 "Wm. Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:>How were any of us to really know what was being said?..I didn't.  

Re: [TruthTalk] POLYANYI

2004-03-26 Thread ttxpress
You read your email, eh, Sherrie:) How did you like JTs poetry post?   FTR, You sound like another follower of Polanyi; well, without revealing your bias/es, how did you determine 'relevancy', below?      G     On Fri, 26 Mar 2004 01:11:19 US/Mountain [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:>When he us

Re: [TruthTalk] POLYANYI

2004-03-26 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 3/25/2004 10:38:58 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Locke's famous definition, belief is 'a persuasion which falls short of knowledge.' Certainty is a matter of knowledge, not of faith. If we understand that persuasion and certainty are the same, these state

Re: [TruthTalk] POLYANYI

2004-03-26 Thread Blaine Borrowman
sible personality types using astrolgy. No other personality theory can account for so much human variability. - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 8:06 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] POLYANYI > > Watching the s

Re: [TruthTalk] POLYANYI

2004-03-26 Thread Wm. Taylor
Thank you. That will help me to begin to learn how to accept him. You nailed it: that is to love him.   Bill - Original Message - From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 9:44 AM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk]

RE: [TruthTalk] POLYANYI

2004-03-26 Thread ShieldsFamily
or he can't be understood because what he says makes no sense to begin with. You pick. Izzy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wm. Taylor Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 9:24 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] POLYANYI Th

Re: [TruthTalk] POLYANYI

2004-03-26 Thread Wm. Taylor
eally know what was being said? Not to be inconsiderate -- I didn't. Welcome and call again, Bill - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 6:11 PM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] POLYANYI > Gary, > Bill's

RE: [TruthTalk] POLYANYI

2004-03-26 Thread ShieldsFamily
, 2004 7:25 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] POLYANYI   I just wanted to say that I appreciate the things being shared.  This thread of discourse is most revealing.    There are the originators of knowledge, those who experience or discover it first hand.  And then

Re: [TruthTalk] POLYANYI

2004-03-26 Thread Marlin Halverson
arlin Halverson To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 8:25 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] POLYANYI I just wanted to say that I appreciate the things being shared.  This thread of discourse is most revealing.    There are the originators of knowledge, those who

Re: [TruthTalk] POLYANYI

2004-03-26 Thread Marlin Halverson
I just wanted to say that I appreciate the things being shared.  This thread of discourse is most revealing.    There are the originators of knowledge, those who experience or discover it first hand.  And then there are the purveyors of knowledge, who pass along what others say without first

RE: [TruthTalk] POLYANYI

2004-03-26 Thread giske
do the same for me? Bill - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 8:08 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] POLYANYI _a five letter word_ On Thu, 25 Mar 2004 19:45:47 -0700 "Wm. Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> w

Re: [TruthTalk] POLYANYI

2004-03-25 Thread ttxpress
same for me?   Bill - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 8:08 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] POLYANYI _a five letter word_     On Thu, 25 Mar 2004 19:45:47 -0700 "Wm. Tay

Re: [TruthTalk] POLYANYI

2004-03-25 Thread Wm. Taylor
t: Re: [TruthTalk] POLYANYI _a five letter word_     On Thu, 25 Mar 2004 19:45:47 -0700 "Wm. Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: I stand corrected. What's the point?   - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [TruthTalk] POLYANYI

2004-03-25 Thread ttxpress
, March 25, 2004 7:41 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] POLYANYI     On Thu, 25 Mar 2004 19:18:35 -0700 "Wm. Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: ..I say below that Christian knowledge begins with faith in Jesus Christ.. 

Re: [TruthTalk] POLYANYI

2004-03-25 Thread Wm. Taylor
I stand corrected. What's the point?   - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 7:41 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] POLYANYI     On Thu, 25 Mar 2004 19:18:35 -0700 "Wm. Taylor" &l

Re: [TruthTalk] POLYANYI

2004-03-25 Thread ttxpress
    On Thu, 25 Mar 2004 19:18:35 -0700 "Wm. Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: ..I say below that Christian knowledge begins with faith in Jesus Christ..  that's not true; you wrote:   On Thu, 25 Mar 2004 12:33:27 -0700 "Wm. Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Christian kn

Re: [TruthTalk] POLYANYI

2004-03-25 Thread Wm. Taylor
elationally.   Thanks,     Bill Taylor          - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 6:36 PM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] POLYANYI Mr. Bill, I haven’t had to think so hard since reading “Zen and the Art

RE: [TruthTalk] POLYANYI

2004-03-25 Thread ShieldsFamily
understanding. (Prov 9:10) Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wm. Taylor Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 1:33 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] POLYANYI       G charges > "while Polanyi criticizes subjectivity, you fluidly

Re: [TruthTalk] POLYANYI

2004-03-25 Thread Wm. Taylor
ime in all of Scripture that Jesus encouraged us to mislead one another. Can you help me out here?   Bill Taylor     - Original Message - From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 5:37 PM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk]

RE: [TruthTalk] POLYANYI

2004-03-25 Thread David Miller
Bill wrote: > Hence it is neither necessary, nor helpful to speak of > knowledge in terms of "objectivity" verses "subjectivism." > Such language is always divisive (think about the gap) > and always misleading. Let us speak of knowledge in terms > of a personal commitment -- whether it be to J

Re: [TruthTalk] POLYANYI

2004-03-25 Thread ttxpress
ï DaveH, Don't Mormans have 'Christian knowledge'? Where does it come from?    G   On Thu, 25 Mar 2004 12:33:27 -0700 "Wm. Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Christian knowledge begins with faith in Jesus Christ, whom we cannot see.

RE: [TruthTalk] POLYANYI

2004-03-25 Thread David Miller
Vince wrote: > Watching the stars helps us determine time, the seasons, etc. But what about the "signs." The Bible mentions not just times and seasons, but signs. What do you think that means? Josephus noted that the destruction of Solomon's temple happened on the exact same date as the destru

Re: [TruthTalk] POLYANYI

2004-03-25 Thread Wm. Taylor
Christ, to truth, to a spiritual understanding of reality, or to being in the world but not of the it.   Thanks, David. I hope this is helpful. I am sorry I had to be so wordy. I guess that is the nature of trying to get away from worldly entanglements and back to the foolishness of the Gospel.   Bill Taylor  

Re: [TruthTalk] POLYANYI

2004-03-25 Thread elextech
Watching the stars helps us determine time, the seasons, etc. Astrology does not have theories about the universe. A theory is testable and the results of those tests are reproducable by other trained scientists. Astrological myths are not the same as a theory. I don't believe tha

Re: [TruthTalk] POLYANYI

2004-03-24 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 3/24/2004 7:32:55 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Your comments actually show your almost total ignorance of the subject of Astrology--I could say much more, but will suffice for now.   two things:  I'll bet (and I am a betting man) that vince is somewha

RE: [TruthTalk] POLYANYI

2004-03-24 Thread David Miller
Vince wrote: > The analogy breaks down in that theologians' > conclusions can be tried against God's truth > as revealed in the bible, but there's no way > that I know of to check the conclusions of > mathematicians. Didn't you ever work on proofs in math class? Math is strictly deductive (isn

Re: [TruthTalk] POLYANYI

2004-03-24 Thread Blaine Borrowman
Blaine: Good reasoning, as usual, David--good backup scriptures, too - Original Message - From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 11:48 AM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] POLYANYI > Gary wrote: > > ... y

Re: [TruthTalk] POLYANYI

2004-03-24 Thread Blaine Borrowman
y much more, but will suffice for now.      - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 6:14 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] POLYANYI > > Science needs math, but math doesn't need science.> >

Re: [TruthTalk] POLYANYI

2004-03-24 Thread elextech
Science needs math, but math doesn't need science. Mathematicians and theologians both can and often do start with premises which they find interesting but are not necessarily rooted in the real world, then they follow out the logical implications of those premises. The analogy breaks d

RE: [TruthTalk] POLYANYI

2004-03-24 Thread David Miller
Vince wrote: > Theology is more like math than science I'm not sure what you mean by this. Math is the language of science. Without math, science cannot do what it does. Maybe you can elaborate on what you had in mind when you said that theology is more like math than science. Vince wrote: > yo

Re: [TruthTalk] POLYANYI

2004-03-24 Thread ttxpress
  disagree, DavidM; knowing the source of certain valid doctrine, acc to JC, is only contingent upon something a follower does, not at all contingent on, e.g., philosophy, experience/s in which the follower is already trained or otherwise (unwittingly:) engrossed   ftr, this comment is germ

RE: [TruthTalk] POLYANYI

2004-03-24 Thread David Miller
Gary wrote: > ... you fluidly embrace subjectivism and, > therefore, teach people, falsely Gary, what is the definition of subjectivism that you have in mind? Is it the following? Subjectivism: PHILOSOPHY -- theory of the validity of knowledge: a theory stating that people can only have knowle

Re: [TruthTalk] POLYANYI

2004-03-24 Thread ttxpress
ï while Polanyi criticizes subjectivity, you fluidly embrace subjectivism and, therefore, teach people, falsely; e.g.,:   On Tue, 23 Mar 2004 16:24:04 -0500 "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:>I came to..understanding by a revelation concerning 1 Cor. 2:6-7...[in which] there >is muc

Re: [TruthTalk] POLYANYI

2004-03-23 Thread Wm. Taylor
PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 10:36 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] POLYANYI Polanyi doesn't teach subjectivity, G. That's the point. You would have to know him to know that. Why are you so upset? What's troubling you, really.   Bill Taylor - O

Re: [TruthTalk] POLYANYI

2004-03-23 Thread Wm. Taylor
23, 2004 10:16 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] POLYANYI On Tue, 23 Mar 2004 21:05:37 -0700 "Wm. Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: [re: someone misunderstanding] "subjectivism" how so?   it's unfathomable where the misunderstandin

Re: [TruthTalk] POLYANYI

2004-03-23 Thread ttxpress
ï On Tue, 23 Mar 2004 21:05:37 -0700 "Wm. Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: [re: someone misunderstanding] "subjectivism" how so?   it's unfathomable where the misunderstanding could be, Bill, e.g.:   On Tue, 23 Mar 2004 .. "Wm. Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >I find myself th

Re: [TruthTalk] POLYANYI

2004-03-23 Thread Wm. Taylor
G, you would have to understand not only "subjectivism" but also the Lordship of Christ to understand why your "but" doesn't get it.   Bill On Tue, 23 Mar 2004 .."Wm. Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes to BB: .. why not let the Lord work in mysterious ways and us marvel a

Re: [TruthTalk] POLYANYI

2004-03-23 Thread ttxpress
ï hmmm..   On Tue, 23 Mar 2004 16:24:04 -0500 "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:>I came to..understanding by a revelation concerning 1 Cor. 2:6-7...[in which] there >is much overlap .. with what you shared about Polanyi.  The terms  âexplicit knowledgeâ >and âtacit

Re: [TruthTalk] POLYANYI

2004-03-23 Thread Wm. Taylor
s.HRA-2  $15.00  [Add to cart] Thanks again, Bill Taylor   - Original Message - From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 2:24 PM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] POLYANYI  > Wow!  Bill, that was a fantastic read. 

Re: [TruthTalk] POLYANYI

2004-03-23 Thread ttxpress
  On Tue, 23 Mar 2004 19:33:29 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:>(The final conclusions drawn by theologians [about 'science' and/or magic, as in (e.g.) the >case of the OT's Daniel] can be checked for validity by comparing them with truth as >presented by God in the bible.)     (and when

Re: [TruthTalk] POLYANYI

2004-03-23 Thread elextech
Yes. Theology is more like math than science; you start with an assumption or set of assumptions, regardless of how much they do or do not seem to reflect a real-world situation, then you derive conclusions from those assumptions. (The final conclusions drawn by theologians can be check

Re: [TruthTalk] POLYANYI

2004-03-23 Thread ttxpress
ï   On Tue, 23 Mar 2004 16:24:04 -0500 "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:>I came to..understanding by a revelation concerning 1 Cor. 2:6-7...[in which] there >is much overlap .. with what you shared about Polanyi.  The terms  âexplicit knowledgeâ >and âtacit knowledgeâ will certai

RE: [TruthTalk] POLYANYI

2004-03-23 Thread David Miller
Vince wrote: > No offense, but this seems to fall into the category > of what many call "psychobabble." I guess my brain is > just not suited to philosophy. Everyone's brain is suited to understand the things discussed in Bill's post. The problem is that some background for the relevance of wha

RE: [TruthTalk] POLYANYI

2004-03-23 Thread David Miller
Wow! Bill, that was a fantastic read. Thank you for taking the time to write it. I have often taught that words only approximate truth and can never really explain truth precisely. The greatest truths remain a mystery when expressed in any language. I came to this understanding by a revela

Re: [TruthTalk] POLYANYI AND THE HOLY SPIRIT

2004-03-19 Thread Wm. Taylor
egan To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 19, 2004 8:32 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] POLYANYI AND THE HOLY SPIRIT Wait a second I thought you were so timid when you first enetered this forum. David Miller admonished us to something like take it easy on you and you mig

[TruthTalk] POLYANYI Spirit of OBTUSE vs Spirit of Truth

2004-03-19 Thread Judy Taylor
Careful Kevin you touch their idol and you will be relegated with me and my Shirley Temple curls - along with the scowl, concordance, and topical Bible :>) You'll have the Epicureans and the LDS on your case but you can count it joy to suffer for the sake of the Lord so it's not all doom

Re: [TruthTalk] POLYANYI AND THE HOLY SPIRIT

2004-03-19 Thread Kevin Deegan
an't stand the thought that someone other than yourself might have something important to say. Rest those tired bones, Judy. The days are piling up, getting longer.   Bill - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 19, 2004 7:08 AM Subject: [Trut

Re: [TruthTalk] POLYANYI Spirit of OBTUSE vs Spirit of Truth

2004-03-19 Thread Kevin Deegan
The Truth has been THROUGHLY MANIFESTED w/o Polygymy or Polyanyi in SIMPLICITY! 2 Co 11 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we h

Re: [TruthTalk] POLYANYI AND THE HOLY SPIRIT

2004-03-19 Thread Wm. Taylor
Judy, I thought you were going to "clear the air of Polanyi" and "lift up Jesus for a change."   Praise the Lord,     Bill Taylor - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 19, 2004 7:56 AM Subject: [Tru

[TruthTalk] POLYANYI AND THE HOLY SPIRIT

2004-03-19 Thread Judy Taylor
From: "Wm. Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> So then, are you telling me that Jung is sitting on your throne?   jt: Are you kidding?  Jung was into the occult big time. He had familiars spirit by the name of Philemon, Anima and Animus from whom he received what wisdom he dispensed to others. The

Re: [TruthTalk] POLYANYI AND THE HOLY SPIRIT

2004-03-19 Thread Wm. Taylor
ave something important to say. Rest those tired bones, Judy. The days are piling up, getting longer.   Bill - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 19, 2004 7:08 AM Subject: [TruthTalk] POLYANYI AND THE HOLY SPIRIT

Re: [TruthTalk] POLYANYI AND THE HOLY SPIRIT

2004-03-19 Thread Wm. Taylor
Thanks Lance. Good advice. I think I'll take it.   Bill - Original Message - From: Wm. Taylor To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 19, 2004 7:28 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] POLYANYI AND THE HOLY SPIRIT So then, are you telling me that Ju

Re: [TruthTalk] POLYANYI AND THE HOLY SPIRIT

2004-03-19 Thread Wm. Taylor
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 19, 2004 6:48 AM Subject: [TruthTalk] POLYANYI AND THE HOLY SPIRIT From: "Wm. Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "So what new thing can Polanyi come up with that God is unaware of?" judyt   I don't t

Re: [TruthTalk] POLYANYI AND THE HOLY SPIRIT

2004-03-19 Thread Wm. Taylor
riginal Message - From: Judy Taylor To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 19, 2004 6:48 AM Subject: [TruthTalk] POLYANYI AND THE HOLY SPIRIT From: "Wm. Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "So what new thing can Polanyi come up with that God is unawa

[TruthTalk] POLYANYI AND THE HOLY SPIRIT

2004-03-19 Thread Judy Taylor
ot;       From: Judy Taylor To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 9:36 AM Subject: [TruthTalk] POLYANYI AND THE HOLY SPIRIT   Bill: This is what the search engine turned up for Mars Hill. "For what man knoweth the th

[TruthTalk] POLYANYI AND THE HOLY SPIRIT

2004-03-19 Thread Judy Taylor
From: "Wm. Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "So what new thing can Polanyi come up with that God is unaware of?" judyt   I don't think he came up with anything that God is unaware of, Judy. But I think he had much to say about the things of God that you are unaware of.   jt: Not so Bill - Polyan

Re: [TruthTalk] POLYANYI AND THE HOLY SPIRIT

2004-03-19 Thread Wm. Taylor
From: Judy Taylor To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 9:36 AM Subject: [TruthTalk] POLYANYI AND THE HOLY SPIRIT   Bill: This is what the search engine turned up for Mars Hill. "For what man knoweth the things of a man, sa

Re: [TruthTalk] POLYANYI AND THE HOLY SPIRIT

2004-03-19 Thread Wm. Taylor
e was talking about." judyt   That's much better than the lazy effort on your part to discredit him without even an attempt to understand him. - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 9:36 AM Subject

Re: [TruthTalk] POLYANYI

2004-03-18 Thread Wm. Taylor
you have questions, I will be glad to work you through them. Bill Taylor - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 7:14 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] POLYANYI > > If this was meant for me, then it was wa

Re: [TruthTalk] POLYANYI

2004-03-18 Thread elextech
realizations were quite compatible with the relational language of biblical revelation. You can read about this in his book Meaning. Thanks. I hope this is helpful. Bill Taylor ----- Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday,

Re: [TruthTalk] POLYANYI

2004-03-18 Thread Wm. Taylor
I hope this is helpful. Bill Taylor           - Original Message ----- From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 11:55 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] POLYANYI > > > > ... Michael Polanyi's ... ideas are based > > on the b

Re: [TruthTalk] POLYANYI

2004-03-18 Thread elextech
> ... Michael Polanyi's ... ideas are based > on the belief that all knowledge is either > tacit (silent and unspoken) or rooted > in tacit knowledge. I never heard of Polanyi until this forum introduced me to his name, however, never fearing to rush in where angels fear to tread, I'll sa

Re: [TruthTalk] POLYANYI AND THE HOLY SPIRIT

2004-03-18 Thread Kevin Deegan
Kinda sounds like a "Zen & the art of motorcycle maintenance" thing. http://www.oberlin.edu/stlife/For%20Students/Spirituality/Z/Spirituality%20Book%20List%20z.html   This "silent knowledge" is it the same or similar to Gnosticism? Self awareness?   http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/081

[TruthTalk] POLYANYI AND THE HOLY SPIRIT

2004-03-18 Thread Judy Taylor
  Bill: This is what the search engine turned up for Mars Hill. Imagine others having to interpret what he was talking about? "For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him?" (1 Cor 2:11). I notice your theologian Torrance is one of Polanyi's interpreters.