Works relate to the kingdom, salvation is
free James Templeton
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PREGood to hear from you Bro James! Laura
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That's how I see it, and DavidM sees it that way too, if I understand him. It's that perfect thing that gets him all riled up. :-) If I understand him, if you don't believe in the perfect doctrine then you are soft on sin. That just is not correct with me.
My understanding is simple. Works and
Please send a Bible verse for Peter. Thanks.
Remember, Peter says that after we have suffered a while, God will perfect us. He also said, that he who has suffered in the flesh has ceased from sin.
Glenn wrote:
Works nullify grace in salvation.Rom. 4:4-5;
Rom. 11:6.
You are misusing these verses. Neither of these verses say that works
nullify grace.
Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that
Grace nullifies works. See below.
"Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the
election of grace. And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise
grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace:
otherwise work is no more work." (Rom
Glenn wrote:
Works nullify grace in salvation.Rom. 4:4-5;
Rom. 11:6.
Glenn - You agree below but deny here.
You are misusing these verses. Neither of these verses say that works
nullify grace.
"Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
But to him that worketh
Glenn wrote:
You agree below but deny here.
Glenn, the word nullify means to have the effect of cancelling something
out. When you say that works nullify grace, then you are saying that when a
person does good works, he nullifies grace in his life. That is a
preposterous notion. Maybe you
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Works nullify grace in salvation.Rom. 4:4-5;
Rom. 11:6.
Glenn - You agree below but deny here.
You are misusing these verses. Neither of these verses say that works
nullify grace.
Glenn wrote:
The verses you are using you are misusing.
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The reason you don't believe in holiness is not because of me but because
the sinning doctrine of men makes you feel comfortable and a teaching about
good works and holiness makes you uncomfortable because it means you have
some room to grow some more.
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Michael D: Dave H. Can you offer an LDS perspective on the question I asked below. Blainer hasn't yet, though I would welcome an answer from him, too.
Laura wrote:
so God threw him out and 1/3 of theothers followed him or something like that.
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Michael D: Dave H: would you care to give ma an answer on this one, below? I would really like to know how you all understand this.
Michael D: Hey Blainer or Dave H, I an curious to know: as an angel, was Jesus an arch angel or a lesser one? Since
On Wed, 16 Oct 2002 20:31:29 + "Michael Douglas" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
..the key is will God ask us to do something that
He does not equip us for? Do you think He
will?
MD, (but) God is not the only agent at work in
this life (as we know it now)--so is Satan
i.e.,did God equip us
Glenn wrote:
YOU are the reason I don't believe in perfection.
You seem to hit the ceiling over this pet doctrine.
David Miller wrote:
I haven't hit any ceiling. I'm just pushing you a little
further than I have in the past.
The reason you don't believe in holiness is not because
of me
Gary wrote:
... did God equip us for this (which DavidM
is reluctant to deal with):
(e.g.) Is 64:6 NIV
All of us have become like one who is unclean,
and all our righteous acts are like filthy rags;
we all shrivel up like a leaf, and like the wind
our sins sweep us away (?)
Why would
Glenn wrote:
YOU are the reason I don't believe in perfection.
You seem to hit the ceiling over this pet doctrine.
David Miller wrote:
I haven't hit any ceiling. I'm just pushing you a little
further than I have in the past.
The reason you don't believe in holiness is not because
of me
Glenn wrote:
Second, it is sin to judge my motives. You
are doing this which means you are not perfect.
I'm not judging your motives; I'm revealing them. :-)
Was Jesus sinning when he revealed the motives of men? What passage of
Scripture do you base your belief upon that tells you that
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