Re: [TruthTalk] Sin Christian Perfection

2002-12-25 Thread Dave
  David Miller wrote: DAVEH: Would you be so kind as to elaborate just a little more on the meaning of substance as used here. Thanx. The web site Marlin referred us to says that the substance is love.  I'm not sure that love can be called a substance. DAVEH:  Yeah..I agree with

Re: [TruthTalk] Sin Christian Perfection

2002-11-03 Thread Dave
  David Miller wrote: DaveH wrote: To me it [the cross] was a work of those who rallied against  God.  But through his power, my Lord overcame the effect of the cross and was resurrected- I think the Mormons teach contrary to the Bible about the cross and the blood shed on the

Re: [TruthTalk] Sin Christian Perfection

2002-11-01 Thread GJTabor
In a message dated 11/1/2002 12:46:35 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: That is the difference between Mormons and Christians. Without the cross there would be no resurrection. Laura DAVEH: Hmm..would you say that without Judas there would be no resurrection? Is it

Re: [TruthTalk] Sin Christian Perfection

2002-11-01 Thread GJTabor
Davldl - Why did you not answer my question below? Why can you not look beyond jewelry to the point of the Bible verse on the preaching of the cross? There is something you are not telling us here. Right? I underlinged a sentence you wrote below. "...I don't think it was because it saved him".

Re: [TruthTalk] Sin Christian Perfection

2002-11-01 Thread CHamm56114
In a message dated 11/1/2002 7:28:27 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: That is the difference between Mormons and Christians. Without the cross there would be no resurrection. Laura DAVEH: Hmm..would you say that without Judas there would be no resurrection? Is it

Re: [TruthTalk] Sin Christian Perfection

2002-11-01 Thread CHamm56114
PREEveryone who wears a cross is not saved! Everyone who wears a heart is not in love! Laura -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts

Re: [TruthTalk] Sin Christian Perfection

2002-10-31 Thread GJTabor
If they are not the same thing why do you compare them? Dave my friend - Judas and the cross are the same thing? DAVEH: Nopebut they both contributed to the end result. Yet one is revered, and the other despised. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That is the difference between Mormons and

Re: [TruthTalk] Sin Christian Perfection

2002-10-31 Thread David Miller
Glenn wrote: Judas and the cross are the same thing? DAVEH: Nopebut they both contributed to the end result. Yet one is revered, and the other despised. Dave, a huge difference is that the cross represents Christ's love. Jesus laid down his life voluntarily, and thereby brought

Re: [TruthTalk] Sin Christian Perfection

2002-10-31 Thread Dave
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If they are not the same thing why do you compare them? DAVEH: I'm trying to find out why Protestants revere one, and despise the other when they seemingly are closely related. DavidM did a splendid job of answering (thank you, DavidM) it this morning. Essentially he

Re: [TruthTalk] Sin Christian Perfection

2002-10-31 Thread GJTabor
Glenn - Have you ever wondered why the survivors of the PA plane crash wanted to go to the place the plane went down? If they are not the same thing why do you compare them? DAVEH: I'm trying to find out why Protestants revere one, and despise the other when they seemingly are closely related.

Re: [TruthTalk] Sin Christian Perfection

2002-10-31 Thread Dave
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 10/30/2002 12:44:16 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: That is the difference between Mormons and Christians. Without the cross there would be no resurrection. Laura DAVEH: Hmm..would you say that without Judas there would

Re: [TruthTalk] Sin Christian Perfection

2002-10-30 Thread CHamm56114
In a message dated 10/30/2002 12:44:16 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: That is the difference between Mormons and Christians. Without the cross there would be no resurrection. Laura DAVEH: Hmm..would you say that without Judas there would be no resurrection? Is it

Re: [TruthTalk] Sin Christian Perfection

2002-10-30 Thread GJTabor
Dave my friend - Judas and the cross are the same thing? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That is the difference between Mormons and Christians. Without the cross there would be no resurrection. Laura DAVEH: Hmm..would you say that without Judas there would be no resurrection? Is it the cross

RE: [TruthTalk] Sin Christian Perfection

2002-10-30 Thread ShieldsFamily
-Original Message- Blainer) Wowsers!! It is just that simple, so I guess I must not be able to understand simple things. Izzy says: God has chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; ..the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;

Re: [TruthTalk] Sin Christian Perfection

2002-10-29 Thread Dave
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You're going to have to ask DavidM questions. I am not going to answer your questions until you answer mine. DAVEH: I thought I had answered yours. Even DavidM pointed my answers out to you. But, the material I quoted below contradicts your opinion about "Trinity" being

Re: [TruthTalk] Sin Christian Perfection

2002-10-29 Thread GJTabor
What is the cross a symbol of Blainer? That is the difference between Mormons and Christians. Without the cross there would be no resurrection. Laura Blainer) Wowsers!! It is "just that simple," so I guess I must not be able to understand simple things. I wish it was that simple. The cross is

Re: [TruthTalk] Sin Christian Perfection

2002-10-29 Thread Dave
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That is the difference between Mormons and Christians. Without the cross there would be no resurrection. Laura DAVEH: Hmm..would you say that without Judas there would be no resurrection? Is it the cross that brought the resurrection any more than Judas was

Re: [TruthTalk] Sin Christian Perfection

2002-10-28 Thread David Miller
Blaine answers Glenn's Question: Glenn wrote: OK, Mormons will I ever get a yes or no? Do you believe that Jesus is God's son, second person of the Godhead? Yes or no? Godhead and Trinity are the same to me. Do you believe that Jesus is God's son, second person of the Trinity as

Re: [TruthTalk] Sin Christian Perfection

2002-10-28 Thread GJTabor
Am I the only one on TT that has a problem with the belief that Satan and Jesus are brothers? Blainer) Why not just show us where in the Bible the word "Trinity" is at? It is either there or it is not there. On Fri, 25 Oct 2002 15:23:12 EDT [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: To remove the Biblical

Re: [TruthTalk] Sin Christian Perfection

2002-10-28 Thread GJTabor
Substance as in Joe Smith's semen deposited in other men's wives. Herein lies the historical evidence. Is semon a substance? DAVEH: Thanx for the great explanation, DavidM. Would you be so kind as to elaborate just a little more on the meaning of "substance" as used here. Thanx.

Re: [TruthTalk] Sin Christian Perfection

2002-10-28 Thread GJTabor
Here we go with the cult psychology again; another question? DaveL - How do you respond this this Bible verse? DAVEH: I'm not offended by the cross. I sometimes think that Christians (and the RCC in particular) 'over use' the cross in their worship.but that is their (worship) business, and

Re: [TruthTalk] Sin Christian Perfection

2002-10-28 Thread David Miller
DaveH wrote: To me it [the cross] was a work of those who rallied against God. But through his power, my Lord overcame the effect of the cross and was resurrected- I think the Mormons teach contrary to the Bible about the cross and the blood shed on the cross. Was the cross part of

Re: [TruthTalk] Sin Christian Perfection

2002-10-28 Thread bborrow26
Blainer) As DaveM said, Glenn, you just want us to answer yes or no, preferably no, so you can shout cult! cult! You make it plain as the pane in my storm door that you have no intention of discussing anything for the purpose of getting at the truth. You have apparently read somewhere that

Re: [TruthTalk] Sin Christian Perfection

2002-10-28 Thread bborrow26
Blainer) It is in the Bible alright, and probably not a mistake. But neither is it a commandment. The belief that we must have crosses in our chapels and around our necks is purely a tradition. God never said we had to do that. He told the Israelites to splash blood on their doorposts to be

Re: [TruthTalk] Sin Christian Perfection

2002-10-28 Thread GJTabor
First of all, I have no intention of converting you. The Holy Spirit told me you have crossed the line of no return. As for the statement below. you, Mr. my nose up Joe boys butt, are a liar. Glenn, because the Mormon Church is not a cult that exercises mind control over its members,

RE: [TruthTalk] Sin Christian Perfection

2002-10-28 Thread ShieldsFamily
You cannot be a REAL Christian WITHOUT a cross. Anyone who despises the cross, despises Jesus. Anyone with a take it or leave it attitude towards the cross has never had his sins washed away by the power of the Blood shed upon that sign of the price HE paid. The cross the FULCRUM upon which our

Re: [TruthTalk] Sin Christian Perfection

2002-10-28 Thread Marlin Halverson
PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 7:38 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Sin Christian Perfection Marlin wrote: Life is just too precious and short to get involved in attitudes. ... Let's love the truth. What a beautiful statement. We often fall way short of this on TruthTalk. Let's

Re: [TruthTalk] Sin Christian Perfection

2002-10-28 Thread Dave
  ShieldsFamily wrote: You cannot be a REAL Christian WITHOUT a cross. Anyone who despises the cross, despises Jesus. Anyone with a take it or leave it attitude towards the cross has never had his sins washed away by the power of the Blood shed upon that sign of the price HE paid. The cross

Re: [TruthTalk] Sin Christian Perfection

2002-10-27 Thread GJTabor
Davel - You can't even get the questions right, much less answer them. I don't give a flip what DavidM says about the Trinity. I ask you a question and you won't even answer it. I ask you a question, and I EVEN DEFINED THE TERMS. I STILL CAN'T GET A STRAIGHT ANSWER. HAVE A GOOD DAY. Futhermore,

Re: ****** SPAM ***** Re: [TruthTalk] Sin Christian Perfection

2002-10-27 Thread Dave
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Davel - You can't even get the questions right, much less answer them. I don't give a flip what DavidM says about the Trinity. I ask you a question and you won't even answer it. DAVEH: Sorry 'bout that, Brother Glenn. I've been out of town the past few days, and still

Re: [TruthTalk] Sin Christian Perfection

2002-10-27 Thread bborrow26
Blainer) The word for Glenn is contrary. Little kids go through this stage, at about age 3, if I recall my old child psychology. LOL On Fri, 25 Oct 2002 15:20:50 EDT [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: No offense taken, but total 100% disagreement. Trinity is a perfectly good word. You let Jeff

Re: [TruthTalk] Sin Christian Perfection

2002-10-27 Thread bborrow26
Blainer) Why not just show us where in the Bible the word Trinity is at? It is either there or it is not there. On Fri, 25 Oct 2002 15:23:12 EDT [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: To remove the Biblical word Trinity is compromise to get along with a cult that believes Jesus and Satan are

Re: [TruthTalk] Sin Christian Perfection

2002-10-27 Thread bborrow26
Blaqiner) Yes Do you believe a.) Jesus and his father have corporal bodies? Or b.) do you believe they are just spirits? Multiple choice--a or b? On Fri, 25 Oct 2002 15:57:34 -0400 David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Glenn wrote: OK, Mormons will I ever get a yes or no? Do you

Re: [TruthTalk] Sin Christian Perfection

2002-10-27 Thread bborrow26
Blainer) That was very informative. Thanks for your time to write it. On Fri, 25 Oct 2002 14:58:28 -0400 David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Blainer wrote: Well, OK. I guess the answer is yes. That won't cost me any money to say that. It is just that I am not sure what you mean

Re: ****** SPAM ***** Re: [TruthTalk] Sin Christian Perfection

2002-10-27 Thread Dave
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Davel - You can't even get the questions right, much less answer them. I don't give a flip what DavidM says about the Trinity. DAVEH: Really?!?!?!?! I do. I'm trying to figure out what you guys (Protestants) believe. Are you suggesting that DavidM's perspective does not

Re: [TruthTalk] Sin Christian Perfection

2002-10-27 Thread Marlin Halverson
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 12:33 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Sin Christian Perfection Blaqiner) Yes Do you believe a.) Jesus and his father have corporal bodies? Or b.) do you believe they are just spirits? Multiple choice

Re: [TruthTalk] Sin Christian Perfection

2002-10-27 Thread Dave
  David Miller wrote: Blaine, I'm going to try real quickly to explain this.  Unfortunately, I think you might reverse yourself when you hear the answer.  :-) The word Trinity historically does have a special meaning.  It is a word meant to designate a Godhead that, while being 3 persons,

Re: [TruthTalk] Sin Christian Perfection

2002-10-27 Thread Dave
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh, no, my friend. I have heard all of this stuff on TT about us becoming gods, DAVEH: From no less than CS Lewis. He was a Protestant theologian, was he not??? -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~

Re: [TruthTalk] Sin Christian Perfection

2002-10-27 Thread Dave
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To remove the Biblical word "Trinity" DAVEH: Glenn, Marlin posted a website to help understand the mystery of the Trinity. I found this quote there, which seems to support my position ** Formulation of Trinitarian Doctrine (Circa 100-500 A.D.) If

Re: [TruthTalk] Sin Christian Perfection

2002-10-25 Thread Dave
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I did not JUST say Biblical Jesus. I defined the Biblical Jesus using Martin's definition DAVEH: You are losing me on this, Glenn. I thought Martin's comments were related to cults. Did I miss something? Did he also define "Biblical Jesus"??? which was a simple

Re: [TruthTalk] Sin Christian Perfection

2002-10-25 Thread Dave
Pastor James PS Templeton wrote: I pray to the Father in the Name of Jesus! I never felt led to pray to the Holy Spirit. To say Dear Holy Spirit, seems all wrong, yet in worshipping and praising our God, we can surely say blessed Holy Spirit and acknowledge the wonderful works of God

Re: [TruthTalk] Sin Christian Perfection

2002-10-25 Thread GJTabor
Glenn - Christians believe Jesus is God's son, second person of the Trinity. Mormons do not belive that, correct? I don't expect to get a simply yes or no without qualifications. I'm slow but I have figured this out. Concerning Biblical words in the Bible...there are no English words in the

Re: [TruthTalk] Sin Christian Perfection

2002-10-25 Thread GJTabor
My comments mean that when Mormons say, "yes" it is not yes. When Mormons say "no" it is never no. It is always with chainging word meanings or later on coming back claiming it was not "yes'" or it was not "no". [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The bottom line is I just would appreciate Mormons telling

Re: [TruthTalk] Sin Christian Perfection

2002-10-25 Thread GJTabor
Glenn to James - Here what you said.\ The Trinity is man?s definition of Godhead. Can man define our Infinite Godhead? No one can claim that the Westminster Confession has the same level of inspiration as the Scriptures. James Templeton Then you said: I don?t like the word Trinity either, and I

Re: [TruthTalk] Sin Christian Perfection

2002-10-25 Thread Dave
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Glenn - Blainer - Do you believe "Jesus is God's Son, second person of the Trinity? You seemed to have reworded it when you answered. I just cannot not get a yes or no. It's always qualified answer. I cannot get a yes or not. This is not a trick question. Where do I get

Re: [TruthTalk] Sin Christian Perfection

2002-10-25 Thread Dave
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Glenn - Christians believe Jesus is God's son, second person of the Trinity. Mormons do not belive that, correct? DAVEH: Like I've intimated before.I don't know if I believe that because I don't understand what you mean by "Trinity"...Do you??? If so, please

Re: [TruthTalk] Sin Christian Perfection

2002-10-25 Thread GJTabor
I use the word Trinity because it is a perfectly good Biblical word. I don't choose to let cults change vocabulary. Furthermore, the word Trinity exposes the Mormon deceit (lie) of believing in the Biblical Jesus. IF we go by what you recommend, then must speak in Greek (and a dead Greek at

Re: [TruthTalk] Sin Christian Perfection

2002-10-25 Thread GJTabor
THEN YOUR ANSWER IS NO. WHY DIDN'T YOU JUST SAY THAT? I do not get straight answers out of a Mormons. DAVEH: Then why use a word that is not Biblical? Simply change your above comment from.. "Christians believe Jesus is God's son, second person of the Trinity." ..to.

Re: [TruthTalk] Sin Christian Perfection

2002-10-25 Thread GJTabor
Oh, no, my friend. I have heard all of this stuff on TT about us becoming gods, that Jesus is created, sex in heaven, etc,. I cut through the deceit (lies) and exposed it for what it is. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Glenn - Blainer - Do you believe "Jesus is God's Son, second person of the Trinity?

Re: [TruthTalk] Sin Christian Perfection

2002-10-25 Thread bborrow26
Blainer) Well, OK. I guess the answer is yes. That won't cost me any money to say that. It is just that I am not sure what you mean when you include the word Trinity. If this word has just general meaning, OK, but if it has some special meaning, in reference to some thing or event in

Re: [TruthTalk] Sin Christian Perfection

2002-10-25 Thread David Miller
Glenn wrote: I use the word Trinity because it is a perfectly good Biblical word. The word Trinity is NOT a Biblical word. Accepting the idea of a Trinity might be Biblical in that it is consonant with the Bible, but the word Trinity itself is not found in the Bible; therefore, it is not a

Re: [TruthTalk] Sin Christian Perfection

2002-10-25 Thread GJTabor
I can't believe you can say this. Of course it is a Biblical word. According to this legalism no ENGLISH WORD IS BIBLICAL. Glenn wrote: I use the word Trinity because it is a perfectly good Biblical word. The word "Trinity" is NOT a Biblical word. Accepting the idea of a Trinity might be

Re: [TruthTalk] Sin Christian Perfection

2002-10-25 Thread GJTabor
Names are important. God named things. Evil needs to be named. If names are not important, I will start calling you Fido. Personally, I would like to drop the label "Trinity" and use Biblical language like "Godhead." I wish we also could drop our designations of "Mormon" and "Protestant." Let's

Re: [TruthTalk] Sin Christian Perfection

2002-10-25 Thread GJTabor
No offense taken, but total 100% disagreement. Trinity is a perfectly good word. You let Jeff deceive you. My point, was Mormons can never give a yes or no. WHY??? Because they are a cult. Glenn, no offense intended, but your interaction here is so blatantly biased and false, how can you

Re: [TruthTalk] Sin Christian Perfection

2002-10-25 Thread David Miller
Glenn wrote: Names are important. God named things. Evil needs to be named. If names are not important, I will start calling you Fido. LOL. I guess you need to give me some name to differentiate me from your BIG dog that Laura told us about. :-) I agree that names are important, but if

Re: [TruthTalk] Sin Christian Perfection

2002-10-25 Thread GJTabor
OK, Mormons will I ever get a yes or no? Do you believe that Jesus is God's son, second person of the Godhead? Yes or no? Godhead and Trinity are the same to me. Do you believe tht Jesus is God's son, second person of the Trinity as defined by DavidM? Yes or no? Glenn wrote: Names are important.

Re: [TruthTalk] Sin Christian Perfection

2002-10-25 Thread David Miller
Glenn wrote: OK, Mormons will I ever get a yes or no? Do you believe that Jesus is God's son, second person of the Godhead? Yes or no? Godhead and Trinity are the same to me. Do you believe that Jesus is God's son, second person of the Trinity as defined by DavidM? Yes or no? Thank

Re: [TruthTalk] Sin Christian Perfection

2002-10-25 Thread Dave
  David Miller wrote: Glenn wrote: OK, Mormons will I ever get a yes or no? Do you believe that Jesus is God's son, DAVEH:  Yes. second person of the Godhead?   Yes or no? DAVEH:  Yes.   Godhead and Trinity are the same to me. DAVEH:  I disagree.  Do you believe that Jesus is

Re: [TruthTalk] Sin Christian Perfection

2002-10-25 Thread GJTabor
Glenn to DAveH - You just called me a liar. I told you I believe the Trinity and Godhead are the same. You said you disagree. HOW in the world can you disagree that I believe the Godhead and Trinity are the same? PS. I am not offended you called me a liar. I quite like it. It tells me a lot.

Re: [TruthTalk] Sin Christian Perfection

2002-10-25 Thread Dave
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Glenn to DAveH - You just called me a liar. DAVEH: Do you really think so, Glenn. Go back and read it again. And..I'd be curious if any other TTers understood my answer in the same way that you do. I told you I believe the Trinity and Godhead are the same. You said

Re: [TruthTalk] Sin Christian Perfection

2002-10-25 Thread David Miller
Glenn wrote: OK, Mormons will I ever get a yes or no? Do you believe that Jesus is God's son, DAVEH: Yes. Glenn wrote: second person of the Godhead? Yes or no? DAVEH: Yes. Glenn wrote: Godhead and Trinity are the same to me. DAVEH: I disagree. DAVEH: I've answered those questions

Re: [TruthTalk] Sin Christian Perfection

2002-10-25 Thread GJTabor
The below is how I hear you say yes to a question and then turn around and explain away yes. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here we go again. I just can't get answers. DAVEH: Huh?!?!?!?!..What do you think those below comments are following my name??? Red is not red and blue is not blue. Red is

Re: [TruthTalk] Sin Christian Perfection

2002-10-24 Thread Dave
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Notice that Jesus is not on the cross. DAVEH: Hmm.ever notice the RCC folks, Glenn? They seem to relish the image of Jesus hanging on the cross. Perhaps Protestants found that image too repugnant, and have removed Christ from that shameful position and are

Re: [TruthTalk] Sin Christian Perfection

2002-10-24 Thread Dave
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I already did from one of the greatest scholars in the 90's. Jesus to the Christian is God the Son, second person of the Trinity. DAVEH: I would agree to that IF you will be willing to change "Trinity" to Godhead or something similar. After all, "Trinity" is not

Re: [TruthTalk] Sin Christian Perfection

2002-10-24 Thread GJTabor
Again, this seems like a different Jesus. 1 Cor. 1:18. I have never heard a good word from you on the cross. The Bible is full of references to the cross. Why do Mormons REFUSE to have a cross? Do you consider it a sin to wear a cross? DAVEH: LDS folks have had to bear their crosses just as

RE: [TruthTalk] Sin Christian Perfection

2002-10-24 Thread ShieldsFamily
]] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 7:20 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Sin Christian Perfection Maybe the cross shows how each group places the emphasis on Christ: On the cross - the crucifiction Off the cross - the resurection No cross - Christ

Re: [TruthTalk] Sin Christian Perfection

2002-10-24 Thread CHamm56114
In a message dated 10/24/2002 7:30:38 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Laura, All of the cults who reject Christ’s atoning Blood also reject the cross (like Jehovah’s Witness and LDS). The cross is an affront to satan, and to those who are deceived by satan. It is the

Re: [TruthTalk] Sin Christian Perfection

2002-10-24 Thread GJTabor
But, DaveL, I thought you said you worshiped the same Jesus. Now you are doing with Jesus what you did with the inerrency article. You say you believe in them both, but you must change what was said in order to believe. I don't understand why you don't understand this is deceit. 12 pieces of

Re: [TruthTalk] Sin Christian Perfection

2002-10-24 Thread Dave
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But, DaveL, I thought you said you worshiped the same Jesus. DAVEH: You were the one who used the term, "Biblical Jesus". OK Glenn.I asked you to define that, and you used a non-Biblical term. To me that takes Jesus out of the Biblical realm. Now you are doing with

Re: [TruthTalk] Sin Christian Perfection

2002-10-24 Thread GJTabor
The bottom line is I just would appreciate Mormons telling us what they believe with all the "wisdom" added to it. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Of course, I am gREATLY under the influence of Satan for following the Bible only. DAVEH: Who am I to disagree with one who pontificates so brilliantly!

Re: [TruthTalk] Sin Christian Perfection

2002-10-24 Thread GJTabor
Tell me James, what country do you live in? What is your denominational background? Who have you fought with religiously in your life? I am trying to figure out where you are coming from? I pray to the Father in the Name of Jesus! I never felt led to pray to the Holy Spirit. To say Dear Holy

Re: [TruthTalk] Sin Christian Perfection

2002-10-24 Thread bborrow26
On Wed, 23 Oct 2002 23:41:15 EDT [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jesus to the Christian means God the Son, second person of the Trinity. Do you believe the above? Jesus to the Mormon signifies a polygamous offspring of another god and mary, one god in a pantheon of gods. Blainer)

Re: [TruthTalk] Sin Christian Perfection

2002-10-24 Thread bborrow26
Blainer) Yes, but we believe Jesus and the Father are two separate persons, one in mind and purpose. The BoM states in several places that the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost are ONE GOD. But ONE means as I indicated--one in mind and purpose. When JS saw the first vision, he saw one

Re: [TruthTalk] Sin Christian Perfection

2002-10-23 Thread GJTabor
Glenn - I am sorry too. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mormons cannot be trusted. They are in a con game over the dumbing of America. They say what needs to be said in order to seduce people into hell fire. DAVEH: I'm sincerely sorry you feel that way, Glenn. Glenn wrote: WHAT? No way. Just

Re: [TruthTalk] Sin Christian Perfection

2002-10-23 Thread GJTabor
Notice that Jesus is not on the cross. He has risen. This is a red flag to millions of Christians...this anti-cross thing. It's not that you don't have a cross IT'S THAT MORMONS REFUSE TO HAVE A CROSS. They seem to refuse to put up a cross in their buildings. DAVEH: Is that required to be a

RE: [TruthTalk] Sin Christian Perfection

2002-10-23 Thread ShieldsFamily
PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Sin Christian Perfection In a message dated 10/23/2002 2:37:31 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: They seem to refuse to put up a cross in their buildings. DAVEH: Is that required to be a 'Christian' church? We simply prefer

Re: [TruthTalk] Sin Christian Perfection

2002-10-23 Thread CHamm56114
Agreed And it reminds us that Christ is who he said he was! Laura Laura, The cross is an offense to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. Izzy

RE: [TruthTalk] Sin Christian Perfection

2002-10-23 Thread Pastor James PS Templeton
Dear Sister Laura, I agree with you. That is an excellent response, James Templeton -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 22 October 2002 12:53 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Sin Christian

RE: [TruthTalk] Sin Christian Perfection

2002-10-23 Thread Pastor James PS Templeton
Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 22 October 2002 17:27 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Sin Christian Perfection Glenn this friend DavidM - You are really enjoyed this aren't you. :-) Glenn wrote: David, I can't comminute with you on this. You, my friend, Are so blinded on this subject

Re: [TruthTalk] Sin Christian Perfection

2002-10-23 Thread GJTabor
AGain, you just ask questions without responding to what I say. Glenn - I say Mormons are not plain on their belief in Jesus. DAVEH: What have I not tried to explain to you, Glenn? If my explanations are not "plain" enough, I will repeat them as many times as you need. I think it's my eternal

Re: [TruthTalk] Sin Christian Perfection

2002-10-23 Thread bborrow26
Blainer) Yes On Tue, 22 Oct 2002 22:54:46 EDT [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: PREBlaine, Do you believe Jesus is God the Son? Laura -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6)

Re: [TruthTalk] Sin Christian Perfection

2002-10-23 Thread bborrow26
Blainer) I swear, Glenn, . . . Where and when did I ever say I do not believe Jesus is God the Son? On Tue, 22 Oct 2002 22:25:05 EDT [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Glenn - I say Mormons are not plain on their belief in Jesus. They seem to refuse to put up a cross in their buildings. If

Re: [TruthTalk] Sin Christian Perfection

2002-10-23 Thread Dave
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Glenn - I say Mormons are not plain on their belief in Jesus. DAVEH: What have I not tried to explain to you, Glenn? If my explanations are not "plain" enough, I will repeat them as many times as you need. I think it's my eternal goal to help you understand as a child,

Re: [TruthTalk] Sin Christian Perfection

2002-10-23 Thread Dave
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: AGain, you just ask questions without responding to what I say. DAVEH: Your comments were directed to a discussion between Laura and Blaine. I was merely commenting on some things that came to mindwhilst I read your remarks. Now Glenn, if you will notice I asked you

Re: [TruthTalk] Sin Christian Perfection

2002-10-22 Thread CHamm56114
When I took a class on cults we were taught to start with what the "group" taught about Jesus. If they didn't believe that Jesus was God the Son, born of the virgin Mary, and that he was crucified,dead and buried, rose again and will come again, then we should be suspicious. Laura The major

Re: [TruthTalk] Sin Christian Perfection

2002-10-22 Thread GJTabor
Glenn wrote: The major reference "Cults Reference Bible" defines cults: A group of people polarized about the religious interpretations or teachings of a specific individual or organization. IT ALWAYS CLAIMS TO BE IN HARMONY WITH CHRISTIANITY, BUT IT ALWAYS ENDS UP DENYING THAT JESUS CHRIST

Re: [TruthTalk] Sin Christian Perfection

2002-10-22 Thread David Miller
Glenn wrote: Are you claiming the KJ Version is free? No, you are not. Yes, I am saying that the King James Version is free. You can download it on many web sites for free. You can get free Bible programs that include the KJV (for example, at www.e-sword.net). However, you cannot download

Re: [TruthTalk] Sin Christian Perfection

2002-10-22 Thread GJTabor
OK, maybe I need a more balanced view of him. I don't think there is any doubt that he was immoral. I read an extensive article in seminary about the translators having a meeting to not translate "baptizo" as the King was not immersed. They didn't want to offend God and translate it sprinkling so

Re: [TruthTalk] Sin Christian Perfection

2002-10-22 Thread GJTabor
Glenn - The Bible talks about this picking over every jot and tittle. Ever learning and never coming to the truth. I see no difference. I honestly don't. You pay either way. Furthermore, you are overlooking American copyright laws. What were/are the copyright laws in England? You are overlooking

Re: [TruthTalk] Sin Christian Perfection

2002-10-22 Thread David Miller
Glenn wrote: David, I can't comminute with you on this. You, my friend, Are so blinded on this subject it is unbelievable. Baptizio is NOT a translation but a compromise; a transliteration. They did not translate the word. Much learning has made thee mad on this. :-) I understand that

Re: [TruthTalk] Sin Christian Perfection

2002-10-22 Thread David Miller
Glenn wrote: WHAT? No way. Just because DaveL says so does not mean it is the official doctrine of the Mormons. I read this also on the Mormon web site. Glenn wrote: LOL Anyone who disagree with you is wrong. Real scholars agree with you and those who don't are not real scholars.

Re: [TruthTalk] Sin Christian Perfection

2002-10-22 Thread GJTabor
Mormons cannot be trusted. They are in a con game over the dumbing of America. They say what needs to be said in order to seduce people into hell fire. Glenn wrote: WHAT? No way. Just because DaveL says so does not mean it is the official doctrine of the Mormons. I read this also on the Mormon

Re: [TruthTalk] Sin Christian Perfection

2002-10-22 Thread GJTabor
DavidM. LOL Who determines what is a misinterpretation?

Re: [TruthTalk] Sin Christian Perfection

2002-10-22 Thread GJTabor
Then herein lies a problem with the King James. Their guidlines were wrong to start with. Bad foundation. No decision was made to translate a word before they came to the word to translate. I find this hard to believe. But it is OK to make money off of the KJ Bible by selling it, but not OK to

Re: [TruthTalk] Sin Christian Perfection

2002-10-22 Thread bborrow26
Blainer) All fundamental to Mormon belief, Laura. But Glenn insists we are still a cult? On Tue, 22 Oct 2002 07:53:24 EDT [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: When I took a class on cults we were taught to start with what the group taught about Jesus. If they didn't believe that Jesus was God the

Re: [TruthTalk] Sin Christian Perfection

2002-10-22 Thread GJTabor
Glenn - I say Mormons are not plain on their belief in Jesus. They seem to refuse to put up a cross in their buildings. If Mormons believe in the Biblical Jesus they are not a cult. But this stuff about Jesus being created and the brother of Satan is suspect at best and perhaps they have Satan

Re: [TruthTalk] Sin Christian Perfection

2002-10-22 Thread CHamm56114
PREBlaine, Do you believe Jesus is God the Son? Laura -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL

Re: [TruthTalk] Sin Christian Perfection

2002-10-22 Thread Dave
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mormons cannot be trusted. They are in a con game over the dumbing of America. They say what needs to be said in order to seduce people into hell fire. DAVEH: I'm sincerely sorry you feel that way, Glenn. Glenn wrote: > WHAT? No way. Just because DaveL says so > does

Re: [TruthTalk] Sin Christian Perfection

2002-10-22 Thread Dave
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Glenn, as long as you have been on this forum, you should know that Mormons teach that Jesus Christ is the Lord God Jehovah of the Old Testament himself in human flesh. All I'm saying is that your book has a lame definition, because that definition does not include

Re: [TruthTalk] Sin Christian Perfection

2002-10-21 Thread GJTabor
I hope not, since Mormons are not a part of Christianity. I don't think Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses, Christian Scientists were. Most all denominations? Were Mormons included? Do you really mean MOST ALL denominations?

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