[tryton] Re: Tryton Software Foundation : Make your voice heard !
+1 on the TSF initiative. There is a lot of value in going this direction. Some of the umbrella foundations require relicensing prior to joining. -1 David Mitchell President NovaPoint Group LLC -- tryton@googlegroups.com mailing list
Re: [tryton] Re: Tryton Software Foundation : Make your voice heard !
I agree with Albert. Foundation is not community. I prefer committed individuals than representatives, even from communities Le 28/06/2011 08:44, Albert Cervera i Areny a écrit : A Dimarts, 28 de juny de 2011 01:02:12, liebana va escriure: So, my questions: - Is there any roadmap with the tasks and milestones to accomplish the foundation? Do you already have any draft document? Well, that's what's being discussed :) - Do you need any legal advice? We have an external lawyer that I'm sure could help. - And my last one, have you thought about any particular point regarding the local communities? I think at least some minimun rules can be set, and indeed the heads from them have to be represented in a particular way inside the foundation. I would not personally try to give local communities any kind of special status. After all the Foundation would not probably be much involved in source code. Foundation members will decide who gets in and a local member of a given country should not be accepted just because there's no other member of the foundation from that country. It should be accepted because he/she is commited to the project. (Unless members decide otherwise :) -- Albert Cervera i Areny http://www.NaN-tic.com OpenERP Partners http://www.NaN-tic.com Tel: +34 93 553 18 03 http://twitter.com/albertnan http://www.nan-tic.com/blog Advertència Legal: aquest missatge i, en el seu cas, els fitxers adjunts poden contenir informació privada i/o confidencial. Si vostè no és el destinatari del missatge, si us plau, elimini i notifiqui'ns-ho immediatament, no el reenvii ni copi el seu contingut. Si us plau, avisi'ns d'immediat si vostè o la seva empresa no admeten la utilització del correu electrònic via internet per a missatges d'aquest tipus. NaN Projectes de Programari Lliure, S.L. no garanteix la confidencialitat, integritat, rapidesa o correcte recepció del present correu, ni es responsabilitza de possibles perjudicis derivats de la captura, incorporacions de virus o qualsevol altre manipulació efectuada per tercers. No s'autoritza la utilització amb finalitats comercials o per a la seva incorporació a fitxers automatitzats de les direccions de l'emissor o del destinatari. La informació continguda en aquest missatge de correu electrònic és confidencial i pot revestir el caràcter de reservada. Està dirigida exclusivament a la persona destinatària. L'accés o qualsevol us per part de qualsevol altra persona, no estan autoritzats i poden esdevenir il•legals. Si vostè no és la persona destinatària, li preguem que procedeixi a esborrar-lo i a no fer-ne cap us ni transmetre'l a tercers. Si ho considera oportú pot avisar al remitent que el missatge ha arribat a un destí no desitjat. Advertencia Legal: este mensaje y, en su caso, los ficheros anexos pueden contener información privilegiada y/o confidencial. Si usted no es el destinatario del mensaje, por favor, bórrelo y notifíquenoslo inmediatamente, no lo reenvíe ni copie su contenido. Por favor, avísenos de inmediato si usted o su empresa no admite la utilización del correo electrónico vía internet para mensajes de este tipo. Nan Projectes de Programari Lliure, S.L. no garantiza la confidencialidad, integridad, rapidez o correcta recepción del presente correo, ni se responsabiliza de posibles perjuicios derivados de la captura, incorporaciones de virus o cualesquiera otras manipulaciones efectuadas por terceros. No se autoriza la utilización con fines comerciales o para su incorporación a ficheros automatizados de las direcciones del emisor o del destinatario. La información contenida en este mensaje de correo electrónico es confidencial y puede revestir el carácter de reservada. Está dirigida exclusivamente a la persona destinataria. El acceso o cualquier uso por parte de cualquier otra persona, no están autorizados y pueden llegar a ser ilegales. Si usted no es la persona destinataria, le rogamos que proceda a borrarlo y no hacer ningún uso de él ni transmitirlo a terceros. Si lo considera oportuno puede avisar al remitente que el mensaje ha llegado a un destino no deseado. -- tryton@googlegroups.com mailing list -- Dominique Chabord - SISalp Logiciel libre pour l'entreprise : Gestion (ERP) et applications web2 18 avenue Beauregard 74960 Cran Gevrier 145A rue Alexandre Borrely 83000 Toulon tél +33(0)950274960 fax +33(0)955274960 mob +33(0)622616438 http://sisalp.fr - http://sisalp.org - http://bdll.fr -- tryton@googlegroups.com mailing list
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Le 26/06/2011 21:49, Nicolas Évrard a écrit : On a second though I must say that I think there is a small issue with a paying membership : what happens for people of developing countries ? 100 € per year is not that much for someone from Europe but would this amount prevent people from less rich countries to join the foundation ? I feel comfortable with Jordi's proposal and think the foundation should be a group of fair people who first contribute by time and personnal commitment. Foundation would be funded by companies who decide to donate as a business decision. This sounds clean and simple (at least to me). -- Dominique Chabord - SISalp Logiciel libre pour l'entreprise : Gestion (ERP) et applications web2 18 avenue Beauregard 74960 Cran Gevrier 145A rue Alexandre Borrely 83000 Toulon tél +33(0)950274960 fax +33(0)955274960 mob +33(0)622616438 http://sisalp.fr - http://sisalp.org - http://bdll.fr -- tryton@googlegroups.com mailing list
Re: [tryton] Re: Tryton Software Foundation : Make your voice heard !
A Dimecres, 29 de juny de 2011 12:36:49, Jordi Esteve va escriure: As I said before, we have a similar opinion, one puts more emphasis in companies and the other in individuals that represents these companies. We think is better that some people make the decisions of the foundation (members) and others, companies or people, fund the foundation (sponsors) to avoid mix the decisions with money. IMHO both things are not incompatible. I think probably most of us will agree that sponsors and members should be separated. So a company may be member but not sponsor and another one may be sponsor but not member. The thing is that if companies were allowed to be members, should they have the same vote than individuals? I think it should be this way. -- Albert Cervera i Areny http://www.NaN-tic.com OpenERP Partners Tel: +34 93 553 18 03 http://twitter.com/albertnan http://www.nan-tic.com/blog -- tryton@googlegroups.com mailing list
Re: [tryton] Re: Tryton Software Foundation : Make your voice heard !
A Dimecres, 29 de juny de 2011 13:12:19, Cédric Krier va escriure: On 29/06/11 13:06 +0200, Albert Cervera i Areny wrote: A Dimecres, 29 de juny de 2011 12:36:49, Jordi Esteve va escriure: As I said before, we have a similar opinion, one puts more emphasis in companies and the other in individuals that represents these companies. We think is better that some people make the decisions of the foundation (members) and others, companies or people, fund the foundation (sponsors) to avoid mix the decisions with money. IMHO both things are not incompatible. I think probably most of us will agree that sponsors and members should be separated. So a company may be member but not sponsor and another one may be sponsor but not member. The thing is that if companies were allowed to be members, should they have the same vote than individuals? I think it should be this way. For me, you can be member and sponsor. I don't see any issue in this. I don't see a problem either, but IMHO they should not be related. (No more votes because you pay more). -- Albert Cervera i Areny http://www.NaN-tic.com OpenERP Partners Tel: +34 93 553 18 03 http://twitter.com/albertnan http://www.nan-tic.com/blog -- tryton@googlegroups.com mailing list
Re: [tryton] Re: Tryton Software Foundation : Make your voice heard !
En/na Albert Cervera i Areny ha escrit: A Dimecres, 29 de juny de 2011 13:12:19, Cédric Krier va escriure: On 29/06/11 13:06 +0200, Albert Cervera i Areny wrote: A Dimecres, 29 de juny de 2011 12:36:49, Jordi Esteve va escriure: As I said before, we have a similar opinion, one puts more emphasis in companies and the other in individuals that represents these companies. We think is better that some people make the decisions of the foundation (members) and others, companies or people, fund the foundation (sponsors) to avoid mix the decisions with money. IMHO both things are not incompatible. I think probably most of us will agree that sponsors and members should be separated. So a company may be member but not sponsor and another one may be sponsor but not member. The thing is that if companies were allowed to be members, should they have the same vote than individuals? I think it should be this way. For me, you can be member and sponsor. I don't see any issue in this. I don't see a problem either, but IMHO they should not be related. (No more votes because you pay more). Exactly, in the case that companies could be members, then, for example: 1 company = 1 vote 1 person (individual member) = 1 vote regardless if the companies/people are sponsors of the foundation (put more or less money). And 1 company = 1 vote regardless the number of employees (or tryton skilled employees) of the company (but these tryton employees could be members as individuals, for example). All the above sentences are only suggestions how could be Tryton foundation to avoid a single and power company/individual take the control of it. Jordi -- Jordi Esteve Consultor Zikzakmedia SL jest...@zikzakmedia.com Mòbil 679 170 693 Zikzakmedia SL Dr. Fleming, 28, baixos 08720 Vilafranca del Penedès Tel 93 890 2108 -- tryton@googlegroups.com mailing list
Re: [tryton] Re: Tryton Software Foundation : Make your voice heard !
* Albert Cervera i Areny [2011-06-29 13:44 +0200]: A Dimecres, 29 de juny de 2011 13:12:19, Cédric Krier va escriure: On 29/06/11 13:06 +0200, Albert Cervera i Areny wrote: A Dimecres, 29 de juny de 2011 12:36:49, Jordi Esteve va escriure: As I said before, we have a similar opinion, one puts more emphasis in companies and the other in individuals that represents these companies. We think is better that some people make the decisions of the foundation (members) and others, companies or people, fund the foundation (sponsors) to avoid mix the decisions with money. IMHO both things are not incompatible. I think probably most of us will agree that sponsors and members should be separated. So a company may be member but not sponsor and another one may be sponsor but not member. The thing is that if companies were allowed to be members, should they have the same vote than individuals? I think it should be this way. For me, you can be member and sponsor. I don't see any issue in this. I don't see a problem either, but IMHO they should not be related. (No more votes because you pay more). It seemed so obvious to me that I did not even think that company contributing more money should get more vote. But since there is a misunderstanding we should add that - Members (individual or company) of the foundation only get one vote in the voting process. -- Nicolas Évrard B2CK SPRL rue de Rotterdam, 4 4000 Liège Belgium Tel: +32 472 54 46 59 E-mail/Jabber: nicolas.evr...@b2ck.com Website: http://www.b2ck.com/ -- tryton@googlegroups.com mailing list
Re: [tryton] Re: Tryton Software Foundation : Make your voice heard !
En/na Cédric Krier ha escrit: On 26/06/11 08:40 -0700, Jordi Esteve wrote: - Members can be people or companies. Well, we would like more that members (who have voice in the foundation elections) were only people and sponsors people or companies, like other free software foundations like in KDE. In this way, the foundation has less dependence of the companies, but the companies can sponsor it getting some public visibility, for example. I don't understand the fear of companies. Even if we do like you want, we will have members pushed by companies. So I think it is better that everybody play the game openly. IMHO, as the foundation should work in an ethic way, people can be more ethical than companies (not always, it is easy to find ethical companies and not ethical people ;-). Take in mind that all companies want to be profitable, and some times this corrupts them. Obviously, in the ERP world, most people comes from companies, so they must public show from which company they come. I think we have a similar opinion, one puts more emphasis in companies and the other in individuals that represents these companies. - The members should pay a annual fees to renew their membership. This fee is higher when the member is a company. We think is better that the resources are obtained from the sponsors. The members must be elected by meritocracy (participation in the tryton project), not if the can afford or not an annual fee. Having to pay for membership is a good way to have only involved members and also ensure the funding of the foundation. Also this eases to know when members resign. The two options have their pros and cons. We think is better that some people make the decisions of the foundation (members) and other fund the foundation (sponsors) to avoid mix the decisions with money. For example, should be avoid that members who pay, or who pay more than others, have more power in their decisions/votes. Using the meritocracy for membership is strange. As the foundation goals is to promote Tryton, so the meritocracy will be the guys who are doing the best promotion. This sounds strange. Yes, you are right, meritocracy is not the right word in this context. I meant participation or implication in the tryton project to choose the members of Tryton foundation. - Status can be change after a vote at a special majority (to be defined) I don't understand this last point. Status of what can be changed? I'm not sure that status is the right word in English. But this is how the foundation can modify its own rules. Yes, of course, the foundation must be able to modify his own rules if a majority of members (defined by the foundation rules) vote it. The important think in the creation of the foundation is that a single company could no block the strategic policy of Tryton in the future. Indeed, right now the project is already protected due to the variety of copyright owners. Yes, the code is protected but there are other important things that must be protected: Tryton trademark/brand, logo, domains, documentation, ... See below. There is just some potential concern about the ownership of the trademark Tryton (even if B2CK has already defined the usage of it). But I'm not sure to understand what you mean by strategic policy? I'm not sure if strategic policy of the foundation is the more appropriate English word. I put some examples of goals that Tryton foundation could have: * Promote usage of Tryton application platform. * Encourage new companies and individuals to join the project. * Legally protect the brand and the software. * Help the project to keep open and non-dependant on a single company. * Own the Tryton brand * Own tryton.org and other related domains * Also Tryton foundation could provide/host all the tools that the Tryton developers need (code, bugs, blogs, email lists, ...). Jordi -- Jordi Esteve Consultor Zikzakmedia SL jest...@zikzakmedia.com Mòbil 679 170 693 Zikzakmedia SL Dr. Fleming, 28, baixos 08720 Vilafranca del Penedès Tel 93 890 2108 -- tryton@googlegroups.com mailing list
Re: [tryton] Re: Tryton Software Foundation : Make your voice heard !
I hope it is okay that I respond to a posting a while back in the discussion, but there were so many comments in the course of the debate that I wasn't sure where to begin. I have not really been using Tryton, only experimenting with it, but I do have some potentially useful experiences from my former work in not-for-profit, and of course in the Free Software community. First, the question of representation: My former employer used an Individual member ($125), Corporate member ($750) and Sustaining member ($2000) structure. Figures just mentioned to indicate the proportions. A Corporate member would have 4 representatives, a Sustaining member would have 8. These representatives were allowed to participate in the events and were treated like 8 Individual members were when it came to influence. So an organisation would openly be represented by these members, and this also acknowledged the contribution. There were no problems with companies sponsoring individual memberships for one. It did not actually have to be individuals in that respect, just one-person-memberships. With a system as Tryton it would make no sense at all to exclude companies. Noone would be more interested in the evolution of a system like Tryton. As for the GPL plugins, I would assume the situation is similar to the Wordpress discussion: http://wordpress.org/news/2009/07/themes-are-gpl-too/ The discussion of what constitutes a derivative or tied-in extension is not particularly easy, but either way: It is only with distribution that the code requires to go back. If you do consulting for a company and extend their systems in-house, it would not have this requirement. Being under a wider umbrella with a wider-reaching foundation does not make sense if the point is protecting the Tryton brand aspects. It does make sense to set up a legal entity, however. And there is no problem with partnering with other foundations for marketing and integration. Sincerely, Morten __ Morten Juhl-Johansen Zölde-Fejér mj...@syntaktisk.dk * www.syntaktisk.dk -- tryton@googlegroups.com mailing list
[tryton] Re: Tryton Software Foundation : Make your voice heard !
Hi, I'm really happy with this discussion, so first of all I want to thank you all for the iniciative. The words from Jordi are like mine too: he's an strong believer of pure open-source projects and his company has already prove that in the OpenERP community. So everything I agree in everything he has said, including the way with the roles to be distinguished: members (users that are strongly involved in the project) and sponsors (companies or individuals that pay a fee). Anyway I think we all approve the main purpose for this: prevent a lockout from one single vendor/company and its decissions and to allow the participants of the project to feel as much comfortable as possible. So, my questions: - Is there any roadmap with the tasks and milestones to accomplish the foundation? Do you already have any draft document? - Do you need any legal advice? We have an external lawyer that I'm sure could help. - And my last one, have you thought about any particular point regarding the local communities? I think at least some minimun rules can be set, and indeed the heads from them have to be represented in a particular way inside the foundation. Sorry for my English but I'm really tired after a long day :) Best regards. On 27 jun, 20:00, Morten Juhl-Johansen Zölde-Fejér mj...@syntaktisk.dk wrote: I hope it is okay that I respond to a posting a while back in the discussion, but there were so many comments in the course of the debate that I wasn't sure where to begin. I have not really been using Tryton, only experimenting with it, but I do have some potentially useful experiences from my former work in not-for-profit, and of course in the Free Software community. First, the question of representation: My former employer used an Individual member ($125), Corporate member ($750) and Sustaining member ($2000) structure. Figures just mentioned to indicate the proportions. A Corporate member would have 4 representatives, a Sustaining member would have 8. These representatives were allowed to participate in the events and were treated like 8 Individual members were when it came to influence. So an organisation would openly be represented by these members, and this also acknowledged the contribution. There were no problems with companies sponsoring individual memberships for one. It did not actually have to be individuals in that respect, just one-person-memberships. With a system as Tryton it would make no sense at all to exclude companies. Noone would be more interested in the evolution of a system like Tryton. As for the GPL plugins, I would assume the situation is similar to the Wordpress discussion:http://wordpress.org/news/2009/07/themes-are-gpl-too/ The discussion of what constitutes a derivative or tied-in extension is not particularly easy, but either way: It is only with distribution that the code requires to go back. If you do consulting for a company and extend their systems in-house, it would not have this requirement. Being under a wider umbrella with a wider-reaching foundation does not make sense if the point is protecting the Tryton brand aspects. It does make sense to set up a legal entity, however. And there is no problem with partnering with other foundations for marketing and integration. Sincerely, Morten __ Morten Juhl-Johansen Zölde-Fejér mj...@syntaktisk.dk *www.syntaktisk.dk -- tryton@googlegroups.com mailing list
[tryton] Re: Tryton Software Foundation : Make your voice heard !
Good initiative. We (Zikzakmedia SL) think that Tryton needs to have his own foundation, so the project itself will not be controlled by a single/few company or individual in the future. In fact, we and other Spanish companies are evaluating the convenience to start working with this nice project that Tryton is, and start developing Spanish localization modules, depending on the creation of this foundation. We would like to avoid the blocking practices that other free licence ERPs have because they don't have any foundation that controls their strategic policy. Our opinion between lines: - The foundation aims are to promote Tryton: do marketing stuffs, participate in booth, sponsors developments. The foundation will not have its word on the technical side of Tryton. +1 - The foundation will have a minimal board for the day to day organisation. The board will be elected amongst members on a yearly basis. +1 - The foundation has two kind of membership: members and sponsors. +1 - Members are the one that have a voice in the foundation elections. +1 - Members can be people or companies. Well, we would like more that members (who have voice in the foundation elections) were only people and sponsors people or companies, like other free software foundations like in KDE. In this way, the foundation has less dependence of the companies, but the companies can sponsor it getting some public visibility, for example. - The members should pay a annual fees to renew their membership. This fee is higher when the member is a company. We think is better that the resources are obtained from the sponsors. The members must be elected by meritocracy (participation in the tryton project), not if the can afford or not an annual fee. - To became a member someone/the company has to follow this scheme: - Being proposed by one (or maybe more) of the actual members - Being accepted after a vote at the majority of voters +1 - Members can be excluded after a vote at a special majority (to be defined) +1 - Documents and other things created by the foundation must be released under a free licence (the definition of free is the one of the FSF). +1 - Status can be change after a vote at a special majority (to be defined) I don't understand this last point. Status of what can be changed? The important think in the creation of the foundation is that a single company could no block the strategic policy of Tryton in the future. And thanks for this nice piece of code that Tryton is becoming and for starting the debate of Tryton foundation, Jordi Esteve Consultor Zikzakmedia SL -- tryton@googlegroups.com mailing list
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On 26/06/11 08:40 -0700, Jordi Esteve wrote: - Members can be people or companies. Well, we would like more that members (who have voice in the foundation elections) were only people and sponsors people or companies, like other free software foundations like in KDE. In this way, the foundation has less dependence of the companies, but the companies can sponsor it getting some public visibility, for example. I don't understand the fear of companies. Even if we do like you want, we will have members pushed by companies. So I think it is better that everybody play the game openly. - The members should pay a annual fees to renew their membership. This fee is higher when the member is a company. We think is better that the resources are obtained from the sponsors. The members must be elected by meritocracy (participation in the tryton project), not if the can afford or not an annual fee. Having to pay for membership is a good way to have only involved members and also ensure the funding of the foundation. Also this eases to know when members resign. Using the meritocracy for membership is strange. As the foundation goals is to promote Tryton, so the meritocracy will be the guys who are doing the best promotion. This sounds strange. - Status can be change after a vote at a special majority (to be defined) I don't understand this last point. Status of what can be changed? I'm not sure that status is the right word in English. But this is how the foundation can modify its own rules. The important think in the creation of the foundation is that a single company could no block the strategic policy of Tryton in the future. Indeed, right now the project is already protected due to the variety of copyright owners. There is just some potential concern about the ownership of the trademark Tryton (even if B2CK has already defined the usage of it). But I'm not sure to understand what you mean by strategic policy? -- Cédric Krier B2CK SPRL Rue de Rotterdam, 4 4000 Liège Belgium Tel: +32 472 54 46 59 Email/Jabber: cedric.kr...@b2ck.com Website: http://www.b2ck.com/ pgp0pF67adPIJ.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [tryton] Re: Tryton Software Foundation : Make your voice heard !
* Jordi Esteve [2011-06-26 17:40 +0200]: Good initiative. We (Zikzakmedia SL) think that Tryton needs to have his own foundation, so the project itself will not be controlled by a single/few company or individual in the future. In fact, we and other Spanish companies are evaluating the convenience to start working with this nice project that Tryton is, and start developing Spanish localization modules, Good to ear that. We're looking forward for this time to come since the spanish community looks like one of the most active and technically sound community of OpenERP. depending on the creation of this foundation. We would like to avoid the blocking practices that other free licence ERPs have because they don't have any foundation that controls their strategic policy. I must say that since a large part of the copyright is held both by Tiny SPRL, B2CK and other members of the community and change in the license is, in my opinion, impossible. So this issue is already solved. But anyway, the creation of the foundation will help prove that Tryton is really a community project rather than a one-man job with a bit of help from everywhere. ... Well, we would like more that members (who have voice in the foundation elections) were only people and sponsors people or companies, like other free software foundations like in KDE. In this way, the foundation has less dependence of the companies, but the companies can sponsor it getting some public visibility, for example. I think that it is more transparent to allow people to display their affiliation. An interesting question is whether we should limit the number of member coming from one company. - The members should pay a annual fees to renew their membership. This fee is higher when the member is a company. We think is better that the resources are obtained from the sponsors. On a second though I must say that I think there is a small issue with a paying membership : what happens for people of developing countries ? 100 € per year is not that much for someone from Europe but would this amount prevent people from less rich countries to join the foundation ? Should we have a system to reduce their fees ? The members must be elected by meritocracy (participation in the tryton project), not if the can afford or not an annual fee. As Cédric said a choice on merit is hard regarding the foundation purposes. -- Nicolas Évrard B2CK SPRL rue de Rotterdam, 4 4000 Liège Belgium Tel: +32 472 54 46 59 E-mail/Jabber: nicolas.evr...@b2ck.com Website: http://www.b2ck.com/ -- tryton@googlegroups.com mailing list
Re: [tryton] Re: Tryton Software Foundation : Make your voice heard !
Yes the Tryton Software Foundation is really a good initiative. What i be expect from Tryton Software Foundation is accelerated development of modules. Facelift of the tryton as a community and member collaboration in big projects and developer repository for selling addon's on a nominal price. I belong to a developing country, yes member ship fee is an issue. But on the other side, we pay for hosting websites on a yearly basis which cost from 70-100$, and it depends on how reasonable the hosting is, you can get a garage hosting for less than 15$ a year too but that's not practical. On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 12:49 AM, Nicolas Évrard nicolas.evr...@b2ck.comwrote: * Jordi Esteve [2011-06-26 17:40 +0200]: Good initiative. We (Zikzakmedia SL) think that Tryton needs to have his own foundation, so the project itself will not be controlled by a single/few company or individual in the future. In fact, we and other Spanish companies are evaluating the convenience to start working with this nice project that Tryton is, and start developing Spanish localization modules, Good to ear that. We're looking forward for this time to come since the spanish community looks like one of the most active and technically sound community of OpenERP. depending on the creation of this foundation. We would like to avoid the blocking practices that other free licence ERPs have because they don't have any foundation that controls their strategic policy. I must say that since a large part of the copyright is held both by Tiny SPRL, B2CK and other members of the community and change in the license is, in my opinion, impossible. So this issue is already solved. But anyway, the creation of the foundation will help prove that Tryton is really a community project rather than a one-man job with a bit of help from everywhere. ... Well, we would like more that members (who have voice in the foundation elections) were only people and sponsors people or companies, like other free software foundations like in KDE. In this way, the foundation has less dependence of the companies, but the companies can sponsor it getting some public visibility, for example. I think that it is more transparent to allow people to display their affiliation. An interesting question is whether we should limit the number of member coming from one company. - The members should pay a annual fees to renew their membership. This fee is higher when the member is a company. We think is better that the resources are obtained from the sponsors. On a second though I must say that I think there is a small issue with a paying membership : what happens for people of developing countries ? 100 € per year is not that much for someone from Europe but would this amount prevent people from less rich countries to join the foundation ? Should we have a system to reduce their fees ? The members must be elected by meritocracy (participation in the tryton project), not if the can afford or not an annual fee. As Cédric said a choice on merit is hard regarding the foundation purposes. -- Nicolas Évrard B2CK SPRL rue de Rotterdam, 4 4000 Liège Belgium Tel: +32 472 54 46 59 E-mail/Jabber: nicolas.evr...@b2ck.com Website: http://www.b2ck.com/ -- tryton@googlegroups.com mailing list -- Shahrukh Hussain* *Consultant * **Abydeen Business Consulting* -- tryton@googlegroups.com mailing list
Re: [tryton] Re: Tryton Software Foundation : Make your voice heard !
On 27/06/11 01:23 +0500, Syed Shahrukh Hussain wrote: Yes the Tryton Software Foundation is really a good initiative. What i be expect from Tryton Software Foundation is accelerated development of modules. Perhaps, but it is not the main goal. It is the community who does the development. Facelift of the tryton as a community and member collaboration in big projects I don't understand. and developer repository for selling addon's on a nominal price. This is absolutly out of the scope of the foundation. -- Cédric Krier B2CK SPRL Rue de Rotterdam, 4 4000 Liège Belgium Tel: +32 472 54 46 59 Email/Jabber: cedric.kr...@b2ck.com Website: http://www.b2ck.com/ pgpRJmYqfGRuq.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [tryton] Re: Tryton Software Foundation : Make your voice heard !
*Facelift of the tryton as a community and member collaboration in big projects* Its like provide some sort of collaboration mechanism for projects, Yes like a previous thread which was talking about a real management system. Well tryton a community can initiate such project. Or atleast have some case studies listed on the website. I am pretty sure there is lots of information there, it just management of that content. I mean as the foundation will be generating revenue why not start such initiatives. Like It can be a smaller version of google summer code? On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 1:33 AM, Cédric Krier cedric.kr...@b2ck.com wrote: On 27/06/11 01:23 +0500, Syed Shahrukh Hussain wrote: Yes the Tryton Software Foundation is really a good initiative. What i be expect from Tryton Software Foundation is accelerated development of modules. Perhaps, but it is not the main goal. It is the community who does the development. Facelift of the tryton as a community and member collaboration in big projects I don't understand. and developer repository for selling addon's on a nominal price. This is absolutly out of the scope of the foundation. -- Cédric Krier B2CK SPRL Rue de Rotterdam, 4 4000 Liège Belgium Tel: +32 472 54 46 59 Email/Jabber: cedric.kr...@b2ck.com Website: http://www.b2ck.com/ -- Shahrukh Hussain* *Consultant * **Abydeen Business Consulting* -- tryton@googlegroups.com mailing list
Re: [tryton] Re: Tryton Software Foundation : Make your voice heard !
On 27/06/11 01:42 +0500, Syed Shahrukh Hussain wrote: *Facelift of the tryton as a community and member collaboration in big projects* Its like provide some sort of collaboration mechanism for projects, Yes like a previous thread which was talking about a real management system. Well tryton a community can initiate such project. Or atleast have some case studies listed on the website. I am pretty sure there is lots of information there, it just management of that content. But it is already the case, see the blueprint on the wiki. I mean as the foundation will be generating revenue why not start such initiatives. We don't have yet any money that you already want to spend it. Just for information in 3 years, we only sold 1 T-shirts. So it is not with this kind of revenue we can pay the infrastructure. So I don't expect to get far more revenue with the foundation. -- Cédric Krier B2CK SPRL Rue de Rotterdam, 4 4000 Liège Belgium Tel: +32 472 54 46 59 Email/Jabber: cedric.kr...@b2ck.com Website: http://www.b2ck.com/ pgp88904irVO2.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [tryton] Re: Tryton Software Foundation : Make your voice heard !
*We don't have yet any money that you already want to spend it. *Maybe its normal for newcomer to experience a pre-mature realization. I don't have an extensive experience in developing ERP applications, i just write code. That's why i asked for the case studies.I didn't find the blueprint much helpful. But what i know about true open source ERP , there no such application like Tryton out there! *Just for information in 3 years, we only sold 1 T-shirts. So it is not with this kind of revenue we can pay the infrastructure. So I don't expect to get far more revenue with the foundation. *I am in no place to answer this, but consider me candidate for a nominal membership fee. On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 1:54 AM, Cédric Krier cedric.kr...@b2ck.com wrote: On 27/06/11 01:42 +0500, Syed Shahrukh Hussain wrote: *Facelift of the tryton as a community and member collaboration in big projects* Its like provide some sort of collaboration mechanism for projects, Yes like a previous thread which was talking about a real management system. Well tryton a community can initiate such project. Or atleast have some case studies listed on the website. I am pretty sure there is lots of information there, it just management of that content. But it is already the case, see the blueprint on the wiki. I mean as the foundation will be generating revenue why not start such initiatives. We don't have yet any money that you already want to spend it. Just for information in 3 years, we only sold 1 T-shirts. So it is not with this kind of revenue we can pay the infrastructure. So I don't expect to get far more revenue with the foundation. -- Cédric Krier B2CK SPRL Rue de Rotterdam, 4 4000 Liège Belgium Tel: +32 472 54 46 59 Email/Jabber: cedric.kr...@b2ck.com Website: http://www.b2ck.com/ -- Shahrukh Hussain* *Consultant * **Abydeen Business Consulting* -- tryton@googlegroups.com mailing list
Re: [tryton] Re: Tryton Software Foundation : Make your voice heard !
On Jun 27, 2011, at 2:24 AM, Cédric Krier wrote: On 27/06/11 01:42 +0500, Syed Shahrukh Hussain wrote: *Facelift of the tryton as a community and member collaboration in big projects* Its like provide some sort of collaboration mechanism for projects, Yes like a previous thread which was talking about a real management system. Well tryton a community can initiate such project. Or atleast have some case studies listed on the website. I am pretty sure there is lots of information there, it just management of that content. But it is already the case, see the blueprint on the wiki. I mean as the foundation will be generating revenue why not start such initiatives. We don't have yet any money that you already want to spend it. Just for information in 3 years, we only sold 1 T-shirts. So it is not with this kind of revenue we can pay the infrastructure. So I don't expect to get far more revenue with the foundation. This is interesting for me, because this makes me the only proud owner of the Tryton T-Shirt!! -- Cédric Krier B2CK SPRL Rue de Rotterdam, 4 4000 Liège Belgium Tel: +32 472 54 46 59 Email/Jabber: cedric.kr...@b2ck.com Website: http://www.b2ck.com/ -- Sharoon Thomas OPENLABS TECHNOLOGIES CONSULTING (P) LIMITED Global Delivery Centre :JSSATE-STEP,C-20/1,Sec-62, Noida - 201306, U.P,India Regd. Address :2J,Skyline Daffodil,Petta,Tripunithura,Kochi - 682301,Kerala, India Tel: +1 786 247 1317 PGP.sig Description: This is a digitally signed message part
