Re: [TV orNotTV] ESPN’s Adam Schefter crosses a journalistic line

[Bill Partsch]

When you send entire stories to sources, you get no greater benefit than from 
reading aloud/emailing/texting the relevant portions to them, but they get the 
benefit of seeing what might be inside information they hadn’t known before and 
then massaging their responses accordingly, i.e., covering their own asses. You 
would then ethically be compelled to provide the same consideration to *all* 
the sources in the story, at which point you’ve surrendered all journalistic 
integrity. 

Even giving the journalist benefit of the doubt, sending an entire story to a 
source is just lazy. 

> On Oct 14, 2021, at 5:05 PM, Doug Fields  wrote:
> 
> 
> Maybe it’s just my lack of formal journalism training, but I fail to see what 
> all the fuss is about.  Are people confusing the fact that Bruce Allen was a 
> source for Schefter’s story, and misconstruing him as the *subject* of the 
> story?  I see nothing wrong with consulting with somebody you used as a 
> source and reconfirming that you’re quoting him accurately and making sure 
> you’re correctly reporting some complicated aspect of the story from his 
> perspective.  Let him see the complete story?  Sure, why not?…you wouldn’t be 
> *required* to use his follow-up input…it’s just a courtesy call, to make sure 
> you’ve got your story straight.
>  
> And even if he had been the subject, just about every big journalism movie 
> has that scene where the reporter calls the Senator whose life is about to 
> become front-page news, asking him if he has any comment on the story that’s 
> “gonna hit the papers tomorrow morning.”  Again, unless there’s some sort of 
> editorial approval deal in place, I still wouldn’t see an ethical problem 
> with giving him an advance copy of the story just so you can append the usual 
> “No comment” to the end of it.
>  
> Doug Fields
> Tampa, FL
>  
>  
> From: tvornottv@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Steve Timko
> Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2021 11:36 AM
> To: TV or Not TV 
> Subject: [TV orNotTV] ESPN’s Adam Schefter crosses a journalistic line
>  
> Take a look at this story from the Poynter Institute 
> https://www.poynter.org/commentary/2021/espns-adam-schefter-crosses-a-journalistic-line/
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Re: [TV orNotTV] ESPN’s Adam Schefter crosses a journalistic line

[Kevin M.]

I won’t claim to know whether Schefter is a serious journalist, but for
serious in-depth stories (where libel laws can bite reporters in the ass),
it would be allowed (in some cases even expected) to send rough drafts to
sources or subjects named in the piece for review. Writers shouldn’t be
under any obligation to make every change suggested by the person or
persons they send it to, but such practices do occur.

If memory serves, Woodward showed Trump an advanced copy of his book about
him. I assume someone helped Trump with the big words.

On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 3:24 PM Steve Timko  wrote:

> Running someone's quote by them is kosher. Sending the whole story and
> letting them approve it is not. you're essentially becoming a stenographer
> for the powerful at that
> A simple rule for journalists is only to do things you are willing to tell
> the readers. Was the reporter willing to tell readers that a source vetted
> the entire story?
> You can run buy the gist of the story without surrendering the story.
>
> Reporting is a hard job if you have to dig up information. It looks like
> Schefter sold his soul to develop a relationship with an important source
> to guarantee the flow of information.
>
> On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 2:59 PM PGage  wrote:
>
>> Right, but this is different than calling a source, telling them you are
>> running a story tomorrow that says “X” and asking for comment. This is bad.
>>
>> The questions I have is,  1) is this really just a one off for Schefter,
>> or something he has done with some regularity? (Someone please ask him if
>> there is even one other instance of him showing a source a story before
>> publication) and 2) is this really just Schefter, or is this something not
>> uncommon among the very clubby NFL insider “journalists”? It has become
>> common wisdom to dunk on NYT political reporters for getting stories by
>> playing up to special inside stories (yes, looking at you Maggie), but this
>> seems to be business as usual for NFL television reporters, who mostly seem
>> to take dictation from league sources anyway.
>>
>> On Thu, 14 Oct 2021 at 2:05 PM Doug Fields  wrote:
>>
>>> Maybe it’s just my lack of formal journalism training, but I fail to see
>>> what all the fuss is about.  Are people confusing the fact that Bruce Allen
>>> was a source for Schefter’s story, and misconstruing him as the *
>>> *subject** of the story?  I see nothing wrong with consulting with
>>> somebody you used as a source and reconfirming that you’re quoting him
>>> accurately and making sure you’re correctly reporting some complicated
>>> aspect of the story from his perspective.  Let him see the complete story?
>>> Sure, why not?…you wouldn’t be **required** to use his follow-up
>>> input…it’s just a courtesy call, to make sure you’ve got your story
>>> straight.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> And even if he had been the subject, just about every big journalism
>>> movie has that scene where the reporter calls the Senator whose life is
>>> about to become front-page news, asking him if he has any comment on the
>>> story that’s “gonna hit the papers tomorrow morning.”  Again, unless
>>> there’s some sort of editorial approval deal in place, I still wouldn’t see
>>> an ethical problem with giving him an advance copy of the story just so you
>>> can append the usual “No comment” to the end of it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Doug Fields
>>>
>>> Tampa, FL
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* tvornottv@googlegroups.com  *On
>>> Behalf Of *Steve Timko
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, October 14, 2021 11:36 AM
>>> *To:* TV or Not TV 
>>> *Subject:* [TV orNotTV] ESPN’s Adam Schefter crosses a journalistic line
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Take a look at this story from the Poynter Institute
>>> https://www.poynter.org/commentary/2021/espns-adam-schefter-crosses-a-journalistic-line/
>>>
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Re: [TV orNotTV] ESPN’s Adam Schefter crosses a journalistic line

[Steve Timko]

Running someone's quote by them is kosher. Sending the whole story and
letting them approve it is not. you're essentially becoming a stenographer
for the powerful at that
A simple rule for journalists is only to do things you are willing to tell
the readers. Was the reporter willing to tell readers that a source vetted
the entire story?
You can run buy the gist of the story without surrendering the story.

Reporting is a hard job if you have to dig up information. It looks like
Schefter sold his soul to develop a relationship with an important source
to guarantee the flow of information.

On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 2:59 PM PGage  wrote:

> Right, but this is different than calling a source, telling them you are
> running a story tomorrow that says “X” and asking for comment. This is bad.
>
> The questions I have is,  1) is this really just a one off for Schefter,
> or something he has done with some regularity? (Someone please ask him if
> there is even one other instance of him showing a source a story before
> publication) and 2) is this really just Schefter, or is this something not
> uncommon among the very clubby NFL insider “journalists”? It has become
> common wisdom to dunk on NYT political reporters for getting stories by
> playing up to special inside stories (yes, looking at you Maggie), but this
> seems to be business as usual for NFL television reporters, who mostly seem
> to take dictation from league sources anyway.
>
> On Thu, 14 Oct 2021 at 2:05 PM Doug Fields  wrote:
>
>> Maybe it’s just my lack of formal journalism training, but I fail to see
>> what all the fuss is about.  Are people confusing the fact that Bruce Allen
>> was a source for Schefter’s story, and misconstruing him as the *
>> *subject** of the story?  I see nothing wrong with consulting with
>> somebody you used as a source and reconfirming that you’re quoting him
>> accurately and making sure you’re correctly reporting some complicated
>> aspect of the story from his perspective.  Let him see the complete story?
>> Sure, why not?…you wouldn’t be **required** to use his follow-up
>> input…it’s just a courtesy call, to make sure you’ve got your story
>> straight.
>>
>>
>>
>> And even if he had been the subject, just about every big journalism
>> movie has that scene where the reporter calls the Senator whose life is
>> about to become front-page news, asking him if he has any comment on the
>> story that’s “gonna hit the papers tomorrow morning.”  Again, unless
>> there’s some sort of editorial approval deal in place, I still wouldn’t see
>> an ethical problem with giving him an advance copy of the story just so you
>> can append the usual “No comment” to the end of it.
>>
>>
>>
>> Doug Fields
>>
>> Tampa, FL
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* tvornottv@googlegroups.com  *On
>> Behalf Of *Steve Timko
>> *Sent:* Thursday, October 14, 2021 11:36 AM
>> *To:* TV or Not TV 
>> *Subject:* [TV orNotTV] ESPN’s Adam Schefter crosses a journalistic line
>>
>>
>>
>> Take a look at this story from the Poynter Institute
>> https://www.poynter.org/commentary/2021/espns-adam-schefter-crosses-a-journalistic-line/
>>
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Re: [TV orNotTV] ESPN’s Adam Schefter crosses a journalistic line

[PGage]

Right, but this is different than calling a source, telling them you are
running a story tomorrow that says “X” and asking for comment. This is bad.

The questions I have is,  1) is this really just a one off for Schefter, or
something he has done with some regularity? (Someone please ask him if
there is even one other instance of him showing a source a story before
publication) and 2) is this really just Schefter, or is this something not
uncommon among the very clubby NFL insider “journalists”? It has become
common wisdom to dunk on NYT political reporters for getting stories by
playing up to special inside stories (yes, looking at you Maggie), but this
seems to be business as usual for NFL television reporters, who mostly seem
to take dictation from league sources anyway.

On Thu, 14 Oct 2021 at 2:05 PM Doug Fields  wrote:

> Maybe it’s just my lack of formal journalism training, but I fail to see
> what all the fuss is about.  Are people confusing the fact that Bruce Allen
> was a source for Schefter’s story, and misconstruing him as the **subject**
> of the story?  I see nothing wrong with consulting with somebody you used
> as a source and reconfirming that you’re quoting him accurately and making
> sure you’re correctly reporting some complicated aspect of the story from
> his perspective.  Let him see the complete story?  Sure, why not?…you
> wouldn’t be **required** to use his follow-up input…it’s just a courtesy
> call, to make sure you’ve got your story straight.
>
>
>
> And even if he had been the subject, just about every big journalism movie
> has that scene where the reporter calls the Senator whose life is about to
> become front-page news, asking him if he has any comment on the story
> that’s “gonna hit the papers tomorrow morning.”  Again, unless there’s some
> sort of editorial approval deal in place, I still wouldn’t see an ethical
> problem with giving him an advance copy of the story just so you can append
> the usual “No comment” to the end of it.
>
>
>
> Doug Fields
>
> Tampa, FL
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* tvornottv@googlegroups.com  *On
> Behalf Of *Steve Timko
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 14, 2021 11:36 AM
> *To:* TV or Not TV 
> *Subject:* [TV orNotTV] ESPN’s Adam Schefter crosses a journalistic line
>
>
>
> Take a look at this story from the Poynter Institute
> https://www.poynter.org/commentary/2021/espns-adam-schefter-crosses-a-journalistic-line/
>
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RE: [TV orNotTV] ESPN’s Adam Schefter crosses a journalistic line

[Doug Fields]

Maybe it’s just my lack of formal journalism training, but I fail to see what 
all the fuss is about.  Are people confusing the fact that Bruce Allen was a 
source for Schefter’s story, and misconstruing him as the *subject* of the 
story?  I see nothing wrong with consulting with somebody you used as a source 
and reconfirming that you’re quoting him accurately and making sure you’re 
correctly reporting some complicated aspect of the story from his perspective.  
Let him see the complete story?  Sure, why not?…you wouldn’t be *required* to 
use his follow-up input…it’s just a courtesy call, to make sure you’ve got your 
story straight.

And even if he had been the subject, just about every big journalism movie has 
that scene where the reporter calls the Senator whose life is about to become 
front-page news, asking him if he has any comment on the story that’s “gonna 
hit the papers tomorrow morning.”  Again, unless there’s some sort of editorial 
approval deal in place, I still wouldn’t see an ethical problem with giving him 
an advance copy of the story just so you can append the usual “No comment” to 
the end of it.

Doug Fields
Tampa, FL


From: tvornottv@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Steve Timko
Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2021 11:36 AM
To: TV or Not TV 
Subject: [TV orNotTV] ESPN’s Adam Schefter crosses a journalistic line

Take a look at this story from the Poynter Institute 
https://www.poynter.org/commentary/2021/espns-adam-schefter-crosses-a-journalistic-line/
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[TV orNotTV] Quickie Review: CSI Reboot

[Kevin M.]

I forgot how bad this series was, but the first episode of the reboot
quickly reminded me.

Is it possible their CGI got worse? Some of it looked like a Filmation
cartoon from the ‘70s.
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Re: [TV orNotTV] ESPN’s Adam Schefter crosses a journalistic line

[Tom Wolper]

On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 11:36 AM Steve Timko  wrote:

> Take a look at this story from the Poynter Institute
> https://www.poynter.org/commentary/2021/espns-adam-schefter-crosses-a-journalistic-line/
>

It's more important to see if anything is going to come of this or if it's
just his peers telling everybody he's a bad boy. It looks like ESPN wants
to make the story go away ASAP.

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[TV orNotTV] ESPN’s Adam Schefter crosses a journalistic line

[Steve Timko]

Take a look at this story from the Poynter Institute
https://www.poynter.org/commentary/2021/espns-adam-schefter-crosses-a-journalistic-line/

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