Re: [TV orNotTV] Rob Schneider: SNL jumped shark in 2016 post-election outing

[Mark Jeffries]

With all due respect to our two resident "SNL" haters:

Thank you, Deuce Bigalow, Male Gigolo.


On Tue, Aug 30, 2022 at 7:35 PM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV <
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> "I hate to crap on my own show," he told fellow rightie Glenn Beck, but a
> "cringeworthy" rendition of Leonard Cohen's "Hallelujah" by Hillary Clinton
> portrayer Kate McKinnon convinced him the end was near... and *naturally*,
> he's not fond of current weeknight late-nighters either...
>
> https://www.mediaite.com/entertainment/rob-schneider-says-kate-mckinnons-mournful-rendition-of-hallelujah-as-hillary-clinton-is-when-he-realized-snl-was-over/
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[TV orNotTV] Rob Schneider: SNL jumped shark in 2016 post-election outing

['Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV]

"I hate to crap on my own show," he told fellow rightie Glenn Beck, but a 
"cringeworthy" rendition of Leonard Cohen's "Hallelujah" by Hillary Clinton 
portrayer Kate McKinnon convinced him the end was near... and *naturally*, 
he's not fond of current weeknight late-nighters either...
https://www.mediaite.com/entertainment/rob-schneider-says-kate-mckinnons-mournful-rendition-of-hallelujah-as-hillary-clinton-is-when-he-realized-snl-was-over/
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Re: [TV orNotTV] FBI investigating The Monkees?

[PGage]

My parents were local leaders of CORE (then one of the respected “Big
Three” Civil Rights Organizations) in Southern California in the 1960s and
70s. My mother was arrested several times. In the early and mid 70s my
mother became convinced that our home phone was being bugged by the FBI.
She became obsessed with every click and hiss she heard while on the phone.
As an obnoxious tween and early teen, nothing gave me more pleasure than
teasing my mother for her paranoia, and when talking to her on the phone I
would often address J Edgar Hoover, L Patrick Gray, and the rest of the
“Boys at the FBI”. A few years later my Mother had the last laugh when my
parents filed a Freedom of Information Request, and found proof that our
home phone really had been bugged by the FBI.



On Tue, 30 Aug 2022 at 3:42 PM Tom Wolper  wrote:

> It’s hard to imagine how malign a force the FBI were in the sixties.
> Hoover maintained a McCarthy level of paranoia about communism from the
> fifties and the FBI considered all of youth culture to be communist.
> Regarding civil rights and opposition to the Vietnam War, the FBI broke
> more laws than they enforced. Anybody who was popular with young people in
> that era has an extensive FBI file.
>
> On Tue, Aug 30, 2022 at 4:48 PM Kevin M.  wrote:
>
>> As the late Paul Harvey would say, it’s true.
>>
>> Mr. Dolenz has filed an FOIA request for the files
>>
>>
>> https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/the-monkees-micky-dolenz-fbi-1234584299/
>>
>>
>> https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.246784/gov.uscourts.dcd.246784.1.0.pdf
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Re: [TV orNotTV] FBI investigating The Monkees?

[Kevin M.]

Indeed. It’s astonishing to me that the progressives now find themselves in
2022 America in the unenviable position of defending federal agents. I
won’t claim to speak for anyone but myself, but I believe liberals would
much rather be the ones bad mouthing “the man,” but we find ourselves
hoping/praying that some justice can be found amidst the ocean of Trump
wrongdoings. I’ll be the first to say that if the events of Jan 6th go
unpunished… if the leaders who literally willed it to occur get away with
it the way Nixon got away with his treachery, I’ll be leading the campaign
to dismantle the Justice department as well as the legislative branch of
government.

I marvel at the FBI behavior in the days of the Monkees and John Lennon and
all the other famous subversives. Back then there was no check and balance.
Today we are lacking a different set of checks and balances. I suppose we
can be mildly amused by the absurdity of the FBI in the ‘60s, but one can
draw a clear line from those days to the flawed system in place today, and
I don’t find that amusing at all.

On Tue, Aug 30, 2022 at 3:42 PM Tom Wolper  wrote:

> It’s hard to imagine how malign a force the FBI were in the sixties.
> Hoover maintained a McCarthy level of paranoia about communism from the
> fifties and the FBI considered all of youth culture to be communist.
> Regarding civil rights and opposition to the Vietnam War, the FBI broke
> more laws than they enforced. Anybody who was popular with young people in
> that era has an extensive FBI file.
>
> On Tue, Aug 30, 2022 at 4:48 PM Kevin M.  wrote:
>
>> As the late Paul Harvey would say, it’s true.
>>
>> Mr. Dolenz has filed an FOIA request for the files
>>
>>
>> https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/the-monkees-micky-dolenz-fbi-1234584299/
>>
>>
>> https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.246784/gov.uscourts.dcd.246784.1.0.pdf
>>
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Re: [TV orNotTV] FBI investigating The Monkees?

[Tom Wolper]

It’s hard to imagine how malign a force the FBI were in the sixties. Hoover
maintained a McCarthy level of paranoia about communism from the fifties
and the FBI considered all of youth culture to be communist. Regarding
civil rights and opposition to the Vietnam War, the FBI broke more laws
than they enforced. Anybody who was popular with young people in that era
has an extensive FBI file.

On Tue, Aug 30, 2022 at 4:48 PM Kevin M.  wrote:

> As the late Paul Harvey would say, it’s true.
>
> Mr. Dolenz has filed an FOIA request for the files
>
>
> https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/the-monkees-micky-dolenz-fbi-1234584299/
>
>
> https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.246784/gov.uscourts.dcd.246784.1.0.pdf
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[TV orNotTV] FBI investigating The Monkees?

[Kevin M.]

As the late Paul Harvey would say, it’s true.

Mr. Dolenz has filed an FOIA request for the files

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/the-monkees-micky-dolenz-fbi-1234584299/

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.246784/gov.uscourts.dcd.246784.1.0.pdf


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[TV orNotTV] OT: Truth Social banned from Google App Store

[Kevin M.]

Turns out the site that doesn’t moderate content has been pulled for not
moderating content.

https://www.axios.com/2022/08/30/trump-truth-social-google-android-moderation

Donald is going all 4-Chan and Q-anon today
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: "The Worst Series Finales of All Time"

[M-D November]

It's interesting that you mentioned "Star Trek: Voyager", because if I was 
going to put a Trek series finale on this list, it'd be the one from 
"Enterprise", wherein Rick Berman said one final 'f**k you' to the fanbase 
by embedding the events of the finale - the decommissioning of the NX01 and 
the founding of the Federation, so you know, only some of the most 
important events to take place in Trek canon - into the TNG episode "The 
Pegasus" as a Holodeck program for f**king Will Riker.  Say what you will 
about "Enterprise", the show improved greatly in its 4th & final season, 
and deserved a better finale.

The "Voyager" finale was, strangely, satisfying in the moment - Borg are 
destroyed, ship and crew get home safe, Harry Kim is still a f**king 
Ensign, etc. - but it doesn't survive when examined after the fact.  Still 
better than ENT's finale, tho.
On Monday, August 29, 2022 at 5:12:56 PM UTC-4 Kevin M. (RPCV) wrote:

> On Mon, Aug 29, 2022 at 10:21 AM M-D November  wrote:
>
>> While it's hard to argue most of the selections, I disagree with the 
>> presence of "Quantum Leap" on this list, as the episode in question was 
>> never intended to be a series finale, but ended up being one because NBC 
>> was dicks and the only thing the EPs could do was slap a hastily-prepared 
>> title card on the end of the episode (so hastily, that their protagonist's 
>> name is spelled wrong).
>>
>> While I agree with "Scrubs" actual finale being on the list, I feel like 
>> that should exist in its own category, because had ABC not insisted on the 
>> 9th season, the 8th season finale (literally titled "My Finale", FFS) would 
>> have gone down in history as one of the best sitcom finales of all time.
>>
>
> As you said, many of the finales listed were merely, as with Quantum Leap, 
> Lois and Clark, and Scrubs, final episodes of a season of shows not 
> renewed. I don’t fault them as much as the ones written as a series finale. 
>
> Almost as bad was my favorite series “Moonlighting” which took a basic 
> episode then slapped a few minutes at the end to give the illusion of a 
> finale. No finale at all would’ve been better. MacGyver did the same only 
> worse with just a 30 second voiceover. 
>
> I’d list Star Trek Voyager’s finale as among the worst. It took six 
> posthumous novels to really explore what it would have meant for the crew 
> to return to their own Galaxy and the aftermath of everything they did to, 
> for, and with the Borg.
>
> Also on the list should be the entire final season of The West Wing, which 
> bore little to no resemblance to the first several years of the series and 
> offered only the most superficial character resolution… some characters 
> were changed entirely to the point even the actors admit they were lost in 
> how to portray them. Between that and the death of a cast member, the 
> finale was basically the characters as mindless zombies. 
>
> I disliked the series Dinosaurs but for what the show was, the finale was 
> superb and extremely daring for a show of that time.
>
> The reboot of Battlestar Galactica was so poorly written that there was no 
> hope that the series finale would be good, so it probably scores points for 
> not being as bad as it could have been. 
>
> We’ve been rewatching House the last couple months (annoyed they didn’t 
> secure the rights to the theme song for streaming distribution). Once the 
> series had the “Survivor” season where House picked a new team, the series 
> suffered a catastrophic decline. So although the finale was bad, by that 
> point the whole series was bad. 
>
>
>
>
>>
>> On Sunday, August 28, 2022 at 5:50:35 AM UTC-4 JW wrote:
>>
>>> Variety's list of the worst series finales:
>>>
>>> https://variety.com/lists/worst-series-finales-ever/1235346338/
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Chuck Todd at his Chuck Toddiest

[Tom Wolper]

One reason it’s been hard to find a replacement for the Toddler is that
nobody wants the job. Meet the Press was once the second most prestigious
job at NBC News behind Nightly News anchor. The DC news corps as a whole
fell into a politics as horse race swoon and the viewers are just not
having it anymore. And finally the journalists are getting it. Reporters
might see becoming MTP host as a step down or a career killer and just ask
not to be considered for the job.

On Tue, Aug 30, 2022 at 7:18 AM PGage  wrote:

> Eight months after Kevin asked how Todd continued to keep his job, signs
> that whatever blackmail material Todd had locked in his safe has begun to
> lose its potency. The Daily Beast reported last night that the new MTP
> Producer is moving towards replacing Todd with current WH Correspondent
> Kristen Welker. Even so, the process outlined continues to be
> excruciatingly slow…
>
> ===&&
>
> “David P. Gelles, a long-time CNN producer…was parachuted in to help fix
> the sinking show, which is down 21 percent in total viewership and 24
> percent in the key advertising demographic compared to last year—more than
> any of the other Sunday politics shows.
>
> Gelles’ first order of business, multiple sources said, is deciding what
> to do about Chuck Todd, who despite recently signing a two-year extension,
> as Confider has learned, has baffled many at NBC with how long he’s
> remained atop the struggling show.
>
> NBC White House correspondent Kristen Welker is being groomed to replace
> Todd, multiple insiders with knowledge of the matter said, and is expected
> to take on more hosting duties as the midterm elections approach.“
>
> https://www.thedailybeast.com/nbcs-meet-the-press-shakeup-puts-chuck-todd-in-jeopardy
>
>
> On Sun, 26 Dec 2021 at 5:33 PM Kevin M.  wrote:
>
>> How — I ask you rhetorically — does Chuck Todd not get fired?
>>
>> Today he had another embarrassing exchange on Meet The Press:
>>
>> Todd: "Parents are saying 'hey don't make my kid feel guilty." And a
>> parent of color is going...'I need to teach reality.'"
>>
>> Hannah-Jones: "You should just think a little bit about your framing. You
>> said 'parents.' And then you said 'parents of color.' So the 'white' is
>> silent."
>>
>> I’d say it was all downhill from there, but Todd has never been uphill.
>>
>> The exchange can be found on this link:
>>
>> https://twitter.com/jannwolfe/status/1475145444321812488?s=21
>>
>> Keith Olbermann is (again) calling for Todd to be removed, though he
>> again elevates Russert, whose career was equally ponderous:
>>
>> https://twitter.com/keitholbermann/status/1475146349607886850?s=21
>>
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: "The Worst Series Finales of All Time"

[Diner]

The critiques of Northern Exposure and Scrubs are criticisms of the final 
seasons, not the final episodes, and thus should not be on the list.
As for the others, well, my reaction to the Gilmore Girls finale was WAY 
different.
And as one of the commenters noted, the final Castle was one of those "what 
the hell just happened?" moments.

On Monday, August 29, 2022 at 5:12:56 PM UTC-4 Kevin M. (RPCV) wrote:

> On Mon, Aug 29, 2022 at 10:21 AM M-D November  wrote:
>
>> While it's hard to argue most of the selections, I disagree with the 
>> presence of "Quantum Leap" on this list, as the episode in question was 
>> never intended to be a series finale, but ended up being one because NBC 
>> was dicks and the only thing the EPs could do was slap a hastily-prepared 
>> title card on the end of the episode (so hastily, that their protagonist's 
>> name is spelled wrong).
>>
>> While I agree with "Scrubs" actual finale being on the list, I feel like 
>> that should exist in its own category, because had ABC not insisted on the 
>> 9th season, the 8th season finale (literally titled "My Finale", FFS) would 
>> have gone down in history as one of the best sitcom finales of all time.
>>
>
> As you said, many of the finales listed were merely, as with Quantum Leap, 
> Lois and Clark, and Scrubs, final episodes of a season of shows not 
> renewed. I don’t fault them as much as the ones written as a series finale. 
>
> Almost as bad was my favorite series “Moonlighting” which took a basic 
> episode then slapped a few minutes at the end to give the illusion of a 
> finale. No finale at all would’ve been better. MacGyver did the same only 
> worse with just a 30 second voiceover. 
>
> I’d list Star Trek Voyager’s finale as among the worst. It took six 
> posthumous novels to really explore what it would have meant for the crew 
> to return to their own Galaxy and the aftermath of everything they did to, 
> for, and with the Borg.
>
> Also on the list should be the entire final season of The West Wing, which 
> bore little to no resemblance to the first several years of the series and 
> offered only the most superficial character resolution… some characters 
> were changed entirely to the point even the actors admit they were lost in 
> how to portray them. Between that and the death of a cast member, the 
> finale was basically the characters as mindless zombies. 
>
> I disliked the series Dinosaurs but for what the show was, the finale was 
> superb and extremely daring for a show of that time.
>
> The reboot of Battlestar Galactica was so poorly written that there was no 
> hope that the series finale would be good, so it probably scores points for 
> not being as bad as it could have been. 
>
> We’ve been rewatching House the last couple months (annoyed they didn’t 
> secure the rights to the theme song for streaming distribution). Once the 
> series had the “Survivor” season where House picked a new team, the series 
> suffered a catastrophic decline. So although the finale was bad, by that 
> point the whole series was bad. 
>
>
>
>
>>
>> On Sunday, August 28, 2022 at 5:50:35 AM UTC-4 JW wrote:
>>
>>> Variety's list of the worst series finales:
>>>
>>> https://variety.com/lists/worst-series-finales-ever/1235346338/
>>>
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Chuck Todd at his Chuck Toddiest

[PGage]

Eight months after Kevin asked how Todd continued to keep his job, signs
that whatever blackmail material Todd had locked in his safe has begun to
lose its potency. The Daily Beast reported last night that the new MTP
Producer is moving towards replacing Todd with current WH Correspondent
Kristen Welker. Even so, the process outlined continues to be
excruciatingly slow…

===&&

“David P. Gelles, a long-time CNN producer…was parachuted in to help fix
the sinking show, which is down 21 percent in total viewership and 24
percent in the key advertising demographic compared to last year—more than
any of the other Sunday politics shows.

Gelles’ first order of business, multiple sources said, is deciding what to
do about Chuck Todd, who despite recently signing a two-year extension, as
Confider has learned, has baffled many at NBC with how long he’s remained
atop the struggling show.

NBC White House correspondent Kristen Welker is being groomed to replace
Todd, multiple insiders with knowledge of the matter said, and is expected
to take on more hosting duties as the midterm elections approach.“
https://www.thedailybeast.com/nbcs-meet-the-press-shakeup-puts-chuck-todd-in-jeopardy


On Sun, 26 Dec 2021 at 5:33 PM Kevin M.  wrote:

> How — I ask you rhetorically — does Chuck Todd not get fired?
>
> Today he had another embarrassing exchange on Meet The Press:
>
> Todd: "Parents are saying 'hey don't make my kid feel guilty." And a
> parent of color is going...'I need to teach reality.'"
>
> Hannah-Jones: "You should just think a little bit about your framing. You
> said 'parents.' And then you said 'parents of color.' So the 'white' is
> silent."
>
> I’d say it was all downhill from there, but Todd has never been uphill.
>
> The exchange can be found on this link:
>
> https://twitter.com/jannwolfe/status/1475145444321812488?s=21
>
> Keith Olbermann is (again) calling for Todd to be removed, though he again
> elevates Russert, whose career was equally ponderous:
>
> https://twitter.com/keitholbermann/status/1475146349607886850?s=21
>
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