Re: [TV orNotTV] Lucas Leaves 'Bake Off' (Show Fans Rejoice)

[PGage]

I’m not sad to see him go, but would really like to send Noel off as well
(that guy really gets in my nerves). I find it hard to form an opinion on
whether the Mexico week was racist, since every other bit of material they
do offends the intelligence. I didn’t think their Mexico stuff was any
worse than anything else they do on a regular basis.

Of course, would be so happy to brink back Mel and Sue. I guess there is no
getting rid of Not-Mary-Berry?

On Thu, 8 Dec 2022 at 8:32 AM Mark Jeffries  wrote:

> Matt Lucas, the comedian who helped create the once-acclaimed, now
> attacked for racist, sexist and general "punching down" humor UK series
> "Little Britain," is stepping down as co-host of "The Great British Bake
> Off" ("Baking Show" in North America--it screens in the U.S. on Netflix)
> after three seasons, claiming demands from other gigs--his stint on the
> show (along with co-host Noel Fielding) was criticized by some of the
> show's fans (who generally hate all other reality shows) for bringing their
> show down to the level of, uh, "Little Britain":
>
>
> https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/great-british-bake-off-matt-lucas-exits-1235276686/
>
> The fan rumor mill seems to believe that the beloved ex-hosts Mel Giedroyc
> and Sue Perkins are to be returning to the big tent, but we shall see.
>
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Jacqui Oatley

[PGage]

I still haven’t given up on darts!

On Wed, 7 Dec 2022 at 6:26 PM Kevin M.  wrote:

> The debate over whether baseball is more boring than soccer is only
> slightly less boring than baseball and soccer.
>
> But I watch cycling. So there’s that.
>
> On Wed, Dec 7, 2022 at 6:14 PM PGage  wrote:
>
>> Right. But my clarification is that I was not attempting to change his
>> mind. Just observing that I had changed my mind, but totally understand why
>> people find soccer excruciatingly boring.
>>
>> But, as my wife constantly reminds me, there really is no need for me to
>> express every thought that passes through my head.
>>
>> On Wed, 7 Dec 2022 at 11:28 AM Tom Wolper  wrote:
>>
>>> I’m not looking to place blame. I’ve known Dave long enough to know you
>>> won’t change his mind and FIFA isn’t going to change the rules to try and
>>> get those people to like the game.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Dec 7, 2022 at 10:21 AM PGage  wrote:
>>>
 To clarify, I would never do that, having suffered through literally
 decades of being harangued by friends to fall in love with both soccer and
 hockey. Simply testifying to the fact that, while three intentionally
 attempts to get it on with ice hockey have failed, I am on the verge now
 after a long slow courtship of falling for soccer.

 On Wed, 7 Dec 2022 at 6:56 AM Tom Wolper  wrote:

> In the long history of this group we have never told each other which
> sports to like or dislike and I hope we’re not starting now.
>
> I remember growing up with the same disdain for soccer. In 1982 I
> accidentally came across a daily World Cup wrap up on the local PBS
> station. Brazil had a legendary team that year and the thing that got my
> attention was their fans in the stands. People in the US going to games
> weren’t wearing team jerseys or colors yet or painting their faces and the
> Brazil supporters were. They showed a level of emotional commitment I had
> never seen before. Plus they had samba bands in the stands that would play
> whenever the team scored.
>
> One problem with getting Americans to follow soccer is that it was
> difficult or expensive to watch the best teams play. Before the internet 
> it
> was nearly impossible to stay up to date on the European leagues and World
> Cup matches were mostly relegated to cable.
>
> On Sun, Dec 4, 2022 at 2:26 PM PGage  wrote:
>
>>
>> I would have written the exact same until about 10-12 years ago.
>> Slowly I have begun to appreciate some of the nuances of the game, and I
>> have watched every single WC Match ( well, could not watch some of the
>> simultaneous matches, though did a couple of times have one on my TV and
>> the other on my IPad). And have had genuine gasps and exclamations of joy
>> and despair. It helps that my daughter is into it, so it gives me 
>> something
>> to discuss with her.
>>
>> I have found some UK darts streaming, but alas nine with my girl
>> Jacqui. Also failed to find any darts on ESPN+
>>
>>
>> On Sun, 4 Dec 2022 at 1:24 AM 'Dave Sikula' via TVorNotTV <
>> tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I have to say (with no irony or sarcasm) that I find darts more
>>> exciting and having more action than any soccer game.
>>>
>>> --Dave Sikula
>>>
>>> On Friday, December 2, 2022 at 5:33:28 PM UTC-8 Adam Bowie wrote:
>>>
 Ha ha. Well the most recent ITV darts coverage was hosted by the
 excellent News Boulting who these days mostly does cycling and is lead 
 ITV
 commentator for the Tour de France. That was because it clashed with 
 the
 World Cup

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RE: [TV orNotTV] Lucas Leaves 'Bake Off' (Show Fans Rejoice)

[Brad Beam]

 
From: tvornottv@googlegroups.com [mailto:tvornottv@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Steve Timko


>But you'd think pronunciations would be better since Spain is so close to 
>Britain.
>https://youtu.be/eCx3MBITMZY
 
You mean like when one of Fox’s British soccer announcers touted the appearance 
of Chad [ah]chocinco on the nightly highlights show?
https://www.sportingnews.com/us/soccer/news/chad-johnson-world-cup-ochocinco-fox-sports-2022/ib2czsugojrjbzhqedupqqdy

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Lucas Leaves 'Bake Off' (Show Fans Rejoice)

[Steve Timko]

This would be a good time to share this link. A comedian named Nigel Ng who
has an Uncle Roger character and YouTuber Joshua Weissman review The Great
British Bake Off Mexican week show.
It's hilarious watching English -speaking cooks fumble with ingredients and
pronunciations Americans know so well.
But you'd think pronunciations would be better since Spain is so close to
Britain.
https://youtu.be/eCx3MBITMZY


On Thu, Dec 8, 2022, 8:36 AM Adam Bowie  wrote:

> I know this is normally a Kevin line, but Lucas blocked me on Twitter
> years ago...
>
> On Thu, Dec 8, 2022 at 4:32 PM Mark Jeffries 
> wrote:
>
>> Matt Lucas, the comedian who helped create the once-acclaimed, now
>> attacked for racist, sexist and general "punching down" humor UK series
>> "Little Britain," is stepping down as co-host of "The Great British Bake
>> Off" ("Baking Show" in North America--it screens in the U.S. on Netflix)
>> after three seasons, claiming demands from other gigs--his stint on the
>> show (along with co-host Noel Fielding) was criticized by some of the
>> show's fans (who generally hate all other reality shows) for bringing their
>> show down to the level of, uh, "Little Britain":
>>
>>
>> https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/great-british-bake-off-matt-lucas-exits-1235276686/
>>
>> The fan rumor mill seems to believe that the beloved ex-hosts Mel
>> Giedroyc and Sue Perkins are to be returning to the big tent, but we shall
>> see.
>>
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[TV orNotTV] Fox Cans 'Monarch'

[Mark Jeffries]

The country music drama with Susan Sarandon and Trace Atkins had a great 
premiere in the ratings coming out of a Sunday night NFL doubleheader but 
languished on Tuesday nights with seemingly no traction on Hulu and bad 
reviews:

https://www.thewrap.com/monarch-canceled-at-fox-after-one-season-susan-sarandon/?utm_source=newsletter_medium=email_campaign=breaking_news_7185410

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Re: [TV orNotTV] It’s Not HBO (It’s Max)

[M-D November]

I never understood why the WB leaned on Michigan J. Frog and not, say, Bugs 
or Daffy.  Unless the studio told them certain characters were off-limits...

On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 1:04:10 PM UTC-5 Kevin M. (RPCV) wrote:

> Frogsploitation. 
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 7, 2022 at 9:10 AM M-D November  wrote:
>
>> Maybe it's time to bring Michigan J. Frog out of retirement and use him 
>> as a brand ambassador?  (Although maybe make him a little less of a 
>> stereotype than the WB did back in the day...)
>> On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 12:00:29 PM UTC-5 Adam Bowie wrote:
>>
>>> I was convinced they'd just go with "HBO Discovery" or "Discovery HBO" - 
>>> simply on the basis of brand recognition alone. 
>>>
>>> While I'm sure someone somewhere has done some research that says that 
>>> HBO is considered too premium/male/old-skewing for some consumers, I'm not 
>>> sure I'd buy that. It just takes one hit show to wipe away those 
>>> perceptions.
>>>
>>> Surely you just go with the brand that has the biggest impact. "HBO" 
>>> means good TV. "Discovery" means... well we sort of understand what it 
>>> means. "Max" means nothing to anyone. 
>>>
>>> Every other streaming brand has taken its strongest individual brand and 
>>> built off that. CBS All Access becomes Paramount+ because more people know 
>>> Paramount than CBS - particularly if you have global aspirations (there not 
>>> being a bunch of CBS channels out there in the wild). Disney+ wisely trades 
>>> on their most valuable asset - their near century-old brand (I'm also 
>>> firmly of the belief that ABC, FX and Hulu shows can all be wrapped into a 
>>> single app, just becoming tiled sub-brands within it, exactly as they're 
>>> doing in the ROW). Peacock is a meaningless brand outside the US. Nobody 
>>> has a clue who they are, or why it's named after a bird that was kept by 
>>> wealthy aristocrats. But then NBC's global presence is largely limited to a 
>>> financial business channel, because even though viewers throughout the 
>>> world know NBC shows, they're not branded as such (Friends is Warners etc). 
>>>
>>> WBD is going to have to spend so much money explaining who they are 
>>> to consumers when they already had two perfectly good brands that already 
>>> explained that. Their rivals will be scratching their heads wondering at 
>>> the madness of it all. "HBO" already has lots of value globally. Game of 
>>> Thrones on its own is enough to say "We make TV you want to watch" globally 
>>> - no more, no less. Throw in something like "Euphoria" and I think you're 
>>> done. 
>>>
>>> Similarly, "Discovery" is another decades old brand which instantly 
>>> tells you what you need to know about its programming. Why any marketing 
>>> person would want to ditch those powerful brands is beyond me. All their 
>>> marketing is going to have to have to explain it all over again to 
>>> consumers. I mean unless they're going to pivot entirely on what they make, 
>>> and for all the cuts that WBD is making, I don't think Zaslov actually 
>>> wants to do that. 
>>>
>>> Also, I'd be amazed if they don't run into IP issues with the name "Max" 
>>> all over the world because it's such a simple name, and there will be 
>>> dozens of businesses in overlapping areas. There definitely *will* be 
>>> territories where they simply can't use it - at least unless they start 
>>> writing massive cheques. 
>>>
>>>
>>> Adam
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Dec 7, 2022 at 3:17 PM PGage  wrote:
>>>
 So I have heard different takes on this; those who are saying Zas is 
 getting rid of HBO are, I think, clearly wrong. HBO will still exist as a 
 premium cable channel that can also be streamed, but the name HBO will no 
 longer be included in Warner Brothers Discovery Streaming Hub site, which 
 is on track to being called simply “Max.” That is the sacrifice of 
 significant brand awareness.

 The fact that Discovery doesn’t want the HBO brand on its signature 
 mothership tells us everything we need to know about WBD. Whether still 
 deserved or not the HBO brand signifies quality programming; but WBD’s 
 brand is cheap, mass appeal, not elite quality. They are McDonald’s, not 
 French Laundry. And, of course, as much money as Thomas Keller makes, I’m 
 sure it’s not a major fraction of what McDonald’s clears every year.

 Still, if the French Laundry was purchased by Macdonald’s, and they 
 forced customers to walk into a local McDonald’s to make reservations at 
 the French Laundry, a lot of folks would be irritated.

 ===

 “The merged platform’s expected name, “Max,” is being vetted by the 
 company’s lawyers, according to people familiar with the matter…

 The app itself will share similarities with Disney+’s platform, with 
 Warner Bros. Discovery’s brands as individual tiles, the people said. HBO, 
 Discovery, DC Comics and Warner Bros. will be among the 

Re: [TV orNotTV] Lucas Leaves 'Bake Off' (Show Fans Rejoice)

[Adam Bowie]

I know this is normally a Kevin line, but Lucas blocked me on Twitter years
ago...

On Thu, Dec 8, 2022 at 4:32 PM Mark Jeffries  wrote:

> Matt Lucas, the comedian who helped create the once-acclaimed, now
> attacked for racist, sexist and general "punching down" humor UK series
> "Little Britain," is stepping down as co-host of "The Great British Bake
> Off" ("Baking Show" in North America--it screens in the U.S. on Netflix)
> after three seasons, claiming demands from other gigs--his stint on the
> show (along with co-host Noel Fielding) was criticized by some of the
> show's fans (who generally hate all other reality shows) for bringing their
> show down to the level of, uh, "Little Britain":
>
>
> https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/great-british-bake-off-matt-lucas-exits-1235276686/
>
> The fan rumor mill seems to believe that the beloved ex-hosts Mel Giedroyc
> and Sue Perkins are to be returning to the big tent, but we shall see.
>
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[TV orNotTV] Lucas Leaves 'Bake Off' (Show Fans Rejoice)

[Mark Jeffries]

Matt Lucas, the comedian who helped create the once-acclaimed, now attacked 
for racist, sexist and general "punching down" humor UK series "Little 
Britain," is stepping down as co-host of "The Great British Bake Off" 
("Baking Show" in North America--it screens in the U.S. on Netflix) after 
three seasons, claiming demands from other gigs--his stint on the show 
(along with co-host Noel Fielding) was criticized by some of the show's 
fans (who generally hate all other reality shows) for bringing their show 
down to the level of, uh, "Little Britain":

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/great-british-bake-off-matt-lucas-exits-1235276686/

The fan rumor mill seems to believe that the beloved ex-hosts Mel Giedroyc 
and Sue Perkins are to be returning to the big tent, but we shall see.

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Re: [TV orNotTV] CNN Leaves Its Longtime LA Home

[Mark Jeffries]

El screwo-uppo on the link, obviously--apologies:

https://www.thewrap.com/cnn-to-move-out-of-hollywood-offices-that-were-home-to-larry-king-live/?utm_source=newsletter_medium=email_campaign=breaking_news_7184645

Mark Jeffries
spotligh...@gmail.com


On Thu, Dec 8, 2022 at 9:40 AM Mark Jeffries  wrote:

> Thanks to Daddy Zaslav and Chris Licht, or as Keith Olbermann calls him,
> "the paste eater," the cable channel is moving out of its longtime West
> Coast home in the office tower at 6430 Sunset Blvd. (an address familiar to
> game show fans, since Goodson-Todman Productions was also in that building
> for many years) with a CNN logo sign on the top and a news ticker outside,
> to the Warners lot in Burbank:
>
> https://play.spotify.com/?utm_source=web-player_campaign=bookmark
>
> Of course, "Showbiz Today" (at one point hosted by Ted Turner's former
> mistress) came from 6430, along with their early news lite show "People
> Tonight/Now" (hosted by Mike Douglas at one point after his syndicated show
> went off) and the later years of "Larry King Live," after King lost his
> Mutual radio show and moved west from Washington.
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Re: [TV orNotTV] CNN Leaves Its Longtime LA Home

[Kevin M.]

Next door to what was the old Variety office, then Amoeba Records, soon to
be a new skyscraper, and adjacent to my old workplace the no-need-to-name
film school, which was once RCA records.

All of Hollywood is ephemeral and illusory. Nothing lasts there. Except the
pervasive urine smell.

On Thu, Dec 8, 2022 at 7:40 AM Mark Jeffries  wrote:

> Thanks to Daddy Zaslav and Chris Licht, or as Keith Olbermann calls him,
> "the paste eater," the cable channel is moving out of its longtime West
> Coast home in the office tower at 6430 Sunset Blvd
> .
> (an address familiar to game show fans, since Goodson-Todman Productions
> was also in that building for many years) with a CNN logo sign on the top
> and a news ticker outside, to the Warners lot in Burbank:
>
> https://play.spotify.com/?utm_source=web-player_campaign=bookmark
>
> Of course, "Showbiz Today" (at one point hosted by Ted Turner's former
> mistress) came from 6430, along with their early news lite show "People
> Tonight/Now" (hosted by Mike Douglas at one point after his syndicated show
> went off) and the later years of "Larry King Live," after King lost his
> Mutual radio show and moved west from Washington.
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[TV orNotTV] CNN Leaves Its Longtime LA Home

[Mark Jeffries]

Thanks to Daddy Zaslav and Chris Licht, or as Keith Olbermann calls him, 
"the paste eater," the cable channel is moving out of its longtime West 
Coast home in the office tower at 6430 Sunset Blvd. (an address familiar to 
game show fans, since Goodson-Todman Productions was also in that building 
for many years) with a CNN logo sign on the top and a news ticker outside, 
to the Warners lot in Burbank:

https://play.spotify.com/?utm_source=web-player_campaign=bookmark

Of course, "Showbiz Today" (at one point hosted by Ted Turner's former 
mistress) came from 6430, along with their early news lite show "People 
Tonight/Now" (hosted by Mike Douglas at one point after his syndicated show 
went off) and the later years of "Larry King Live," after King lost his 
Mutual radio show and moved west from Washington.

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