[TV orNotTV] Re: Kilby Coming to Fox OOs
They also had a female talent booker on saying that Craig never understood why she kept saying it was boring to just keep booking blond bimbos as guests every night. For the same reason Cher doesn't allow anybody on the stage who looks prettier than her. Cher wants to look better than she is. Craig wants to look smarter than he is. -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en
Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: Kilby Coming to Fox OOs
On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 12:36 AM, PGage pga...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 5:41 PM, Jon Delfin jondel...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 4:23 PM, David Lynch djly...@gmail.com wrote: Given that Scottish Conan Guy was Craig 2.0 around here for a while, this dictates that we go back to calling Kilby Craig 1.0. Can't we just ignore him? Please? I know there is a lot of animus against him on this list, but I have never gotten that. I liked him fine on TDS (but I like Stewart better); I liked him fine on LLS (but I like Craig 2.0 better). I would much rather watch him host a show for an hour than Leno for 10 minutes. I have to admit that I liked him a lot until the whole Esquire magazine incident which led Lizz Winstead to quit. Somehow after that the smarminess seemed like less of an act which made it a lot less amusing... - dg -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en
[TV orNotTV] Re: Kilby Coming to Fox OOs
On May 5, 2:43 pm, Jay Lewis lew...@nbnet.nb.ca wrote: http://nyti.ms/clgf6u This is all very odd, since I don't know if Kilby appealed to female demos at COM or CBS. I will say that the Fox-owned stations seem to have been able to find daytime talk formats that are working. But Kilby is neither a solid hour of medical information with the Oprah seal of approval (Dr. Oz) or a gossipy hour with a woman who could be a drag queen but isn't (Wendy Williams). I don't really see Kilby thriving in that atmosphere, but if Springer has thrived in daytime for all these years (and I suspect that the Bill Cunningham show will be more like Springer than the Boss Limbaugh TV show, especially with the former Springer showrunner's presence), perhaps Kilby could. -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en
Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: Kilby Coming to Fox OOs
Just a week after an interview was aired with him saying that he was happy he had left LLS. Well, welcome back to the Late Night Wars, American Ferguson. On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 4:03 PM, Mark J. mjeffr...@marcrealty.com wrote: On May 5, 2:43 pm, Jay Lewis lew...@nbnet.nb.ca wrote: http://nyti.ms/clgf6u This is all very odd, since I don't know if Kilby appealed to female demos at COM or CBS. I will say that the Fox-owned stations seem to have been able to find daytime talk formats that are working. But Kilby is neither a solid hour of medical information with the Oprah seal of approval (Dr. Oz) or a gossipy hour with a woman who could be a drag queen but isn't (Wendy Williams). I don't really see Kilby thriving in that atmosphere, but if Springer has thrived in daytime for all these years (and I suspect that the Bill Cunningham show will be more like Springer than the Boss Limbaugh TV show, especially with the former Springer showrunner's presence), perhaps Kilby could. -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en -- +++ Joe Coughlin http://www.twitter.com/inturnaround -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en
Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: Kilby Coming to Fox OOs
Given that Scottish Conan Guy was Craig 2.0 around here for a while, this dictates that we go back to calling Kilby Craig 1.0. On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 15:21, Joe Coughlin inturnaro...@gmail.com wrote: Just a week after an interview was aired with him saying that he was happy he had left LLS. Well, welcome back to the Late Night Wars, American Ferguson. On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 4:03 PM, Mark J. mjeffr...@marcrealty.com wrote: On May 5, 2:43 pm, Jay Lewis lew...@nbnet.nb.ca wrote: http://nyti.ms/clgf6u This is all very odd, since I don't know if Kilby appealed to female demos at COM or CBS. I will say that the Fox-owned stations seem to have been able to find daytime talk formats that are working. But Kilby is neither a solid hour of medical information with the Oprah seal of approval (Dr. Oz) or a gossipy hour with a woman who could be a drag queen but isn't (Wendy Williams). I don't really see Kilby thriving in that atmosphere, but if Springer has thrived in daytime for all these years (and I suspect that the Bill Cunningham show will be more like Springer than the Boss Limbaugh TV show, especially with the former Springer showrunner's presence), perhaps Kilby could. -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en -- +++ Joe Coughlin http://www.twitter.com/inturnaround -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en -- David J. Lynch djly...@gmail.com -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en
Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: Kilby Coming to Fox OOs
On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 1:23 PM, David Lynch djly...@gmail.com wrote: Given that Scottish Conan Guy was Craig 2.0 around here for a while, this dictates that we go back to calling Kilby Craig 1.0. Given that Scottish Conan Guy achieved ratings in that time slot that neither Snyder nor Kilborn could achieve, not sure I'd call Kilborn much of anything. -- Kevin M. (RPCV) -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en
Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: Kilby Coming to Fox OOs
On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 1:21 PM, Joe Coughlin inturnaro...@gmail.com wrote: Just a week after an interview was aired with him saying that he was happy he had left LLS. Well, welcome back to the Late Night Wars, American Ferguson. It is odd - though they are emphasizing that this will not be a late night, or even evening show. In the AE piece he said that nobody understood why he walked away from LLS, but that he was confident he made the right decision and very comfortable with it. He said he was proud of his LLS, but that it had real limitations on what it could be. He had a kind of secrative look on his face when he said this, but the documentary chose not to push him on what specifically he was talking about. They also had a female talent booker on saying that Craig never understood why she kept saying it was boring to just keep booking blond bimbos as guests every night. I am not sure if he meant that his inability to book a blond bimbo every night was the limitation he wanted to get beyond, or his desire to book blond bimbos was the limitation he wanted to get beyond. The report describes his new show as as a combination of a talk show with a “nonpolitical ‘Daily Show.’ ”, but that sounds like they could have just said they want to do a daytime version of his original Daily Show. -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en
Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: Kilby Coming to Fox OOs
My take is that they were trying to describe the new gig as a combination of his previous gigs. While his Daily Show wasn't apolitical, it is a very different animal than TDS with J-Stew. Non-political is probably a useful word to remind folks that it won't be like what they can see at 11 pm. David From: PGage pga...@gmail.com The report describes his new show as as a combination of a talk show with a “nonpolitical ‘Daily Show.’ ”, but that sounds like they could have just said they want to do a daytime version of his original Daily Show. -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en
Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: Kilby Coming to Fox OOs
I'm curious who will replace Craig in 4 years. -- QWIZX.com - A little bit of everything -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en
Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: Kilby Coming to Fox OOs
On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 4:23 PM, David Lynch djly...@gmail.com wrote: Given that Scottish Conan Guy was Craig 2.0 around here for a while, this dictates that we go back to calling Kilby Craig 1.0. Can't we just ignore him? Please? -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en
Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: Kilby Coming to Fox OOs
Ignore whom? On May 5, 2010, at 8:41 PM, Jon Delfin wrote: On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 4:23 PM, David Lynch djly...@gmail.com wrote: Given that Scottish Conan Guy was Craig 2.0 around here for a while, this dictates that we go back to calling Kilby Craig 1.0. Can't we just ignore him? Please? -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en
[TV orNotTV] Re: Kilby Coming to Fox OOs
On May 5, 1:29 pm, Kevin M. drunkbastar...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 1:23 PM, David Lynch djly...@gmail.com wrote: Given that Scottish Conan Guy was Craig 2.0 around here for a while, this dictates that we go back to calling Kilby Craig 1.0. Given that Scottish Conan Guy achieved ratings in that time slot that neither Snyder nor Kilborn could achieve, not sure I'd call Kilborn much of anything. How about calling him a smirking, uninformed, uncurious, narcissistic hack? -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en
[TV orNotTV] Re: Kilby Coming to Fox OOs
Bill Partsch, to Jon Delfin: Ignore whom? Killer, I suppose, as Fergs as of now actually has a show... -- BOB -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en
Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: Kilby Coming to Fox OOs
On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 5:41 PM, Jon Delfin jondel...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 4:23 PM, David Lynch djly...@gmail.com wrote: Given that Scottish Conan Guy was Craig 2.0 around here for a while, this dictates that we go back to calling Kilby Craig 1.0. Can't we just ignore him? Please? I know there is a lot of animus against him on this list, but I have never gotten that. I liked him fine on TDS (but I like Stewart better); I liked him fine on LLS (but I like Craig 2.0 better). I would much rather watch him host a show for an hour than Leno for 10 minutes. -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en
Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: Kilby Coming to Fox OOs
I'll check out the new show. Until then I have no idea whether I'd like this iteration of Craiggers 6 times more than Leno or not. FWIW, the two talk shows I've managed to see in studio were Leno and Kilborn (on LLS). I liked them both fine, but I was there more to see a live taping than the specific hosts and guests. David From: PGage pga...@gmail.com To: tvornottv@googlegroups.com Sent: Thu, May 6, 2010 12:36:46 AM Subject: Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: Kilby Coming to Fox OOs On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 5:41 PM, Jon Delfin jondel...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 4:23 PM, David Lynch djly...@gmail.com wrote: Given that Scottish Conan Guy was Craig 2.0 around here for a while, this dictates that we go back to calling Kilby Craig 1.0. Can't we just ignore him? Please? I know there is a lot of animus against him on this list, but I have never gotten that. I liked him fine on TDS (but I like Stewart better); I liked him fine on LLS (but I like Craig 2.0 better). I would much rather watch him host a show for an hour than Leno for 10 minutes. -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en
Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: Kilby Coming to Fox OOs
On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 9:36 PM, PGage pga...@gmail.com wrote: I know there is a lot of animus against him on this list, but I have never gotten that. I liked him fine on TDS (but I like Stewart better); I liked him fine on LLS (but I like Craig 2.0 better). I would much rather watch him host a show for an hour than Leno for 10 minutes. I liked him on Daily Show, but once he took over Late Late Show, I realized I liked the format more than the persona. Kilborn was fine in small doses -- ripping through goofy headlines and chatting with Kathy Ireland was fine, but only when segments by other people (i.e.: Brian Unger, Steve Carell, Stephen Colbert, A Whitney Brown, and Lewis Black) limited his on screen time. Limiting Kilborn's exposure is the key to his appeal. I found him excessively smug in his one hour CBS show. Assuming he is being honest and CBS wouldn't let him do certain things in late night, I don't know who has fooled him into thinking he'll be given more freedom in a daytime syndication deal. I don't think I've ever worked with a crew more creatively stifled than Howie Mandel's syndicated talk show, and my friends who worked on Martin Short's show told me the same thing. There is an anticipated audience when the word daytime is used -- and I know I'll offend people for stating this but oh well -- you don't win them over with cleverness and creativity. -- Kevin M. (RPCV) -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en
