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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: Trevor Noah leaving The Daily Show

2022-09-30 Thread PGage

I tried to make those caveats clear in my post, but yes, August is almost
certainly an underestimate for the 2021-22 season ratings for Colbert and
Fallon.

As I recall those dog food ads were for Alpo, which was a major brand. I
would guess NBC got a pretty (inflation adjusted) penny for those spots. I
am certain NBC made a huge profit from Carson’s Tonight Show, compared to
what must be a very small margin with Fallon.

On Fri, 30 Sep 2022 at 9:39 PM Kevin M.  wrote:

>
>
> On Fri, Sep 30, 2022 at 9:35 PM Mark Jeffries 
> wrote:
>
>> You have to remember that most of the late-night hosts were on hiatus for
>> most of August, with only Kimmel doing guest hosts that month.  Gutfeld's
>> on every night and has a substitute on the nights off.  Also, he has that
>> carryover audience over 65 that's been watching Fox News all night (if not
>> all day) that no one else really has. But yeah, when Colbert has frickin'
>> direct response ads on his show, you can tell late night is not what it
>> used to be.
>>
>> Carson and Ed used to do live ads for dog food, and that was at the
> height of their run on The Tonight Show, so that feels like a clumsy
> barometer to try to use.
>
>
> Mark Jeffries
>> spotligh...@gmail.com
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 30, 2022 at 6:40 PM PGage  wrote:
>>
>>> It is really hard to find ratings numbers for late night shows, a huge
>>> difference from when I used to follow these numbers closely during Conan’s
>>> Tonight Show. I did find this though from Forbes:
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.forbes.com/sites/marisadellatto/2022/09/30/how-late-night-talk-ratings-cratered-during-trevor-noahs-daily-show-era/
>>>
>>> Noah averaged 1.1M viewers his first season (2015-16), while Fallon was
>>> at 3.8M and Colbert 3.2M.
>>>
>>> Forbes does not give average ratings for the entire 2021-22 season, just
>>> for August, which obviously is not very typical.
>>>
>>> They have Noah at 383K, Colbert at 2.16M, and Fallon at 1.34M (Kimmel
>>> was 1.1M and Gutfield at 2.2M but I am not focusing on either as their
>>> August 2022 ratings even more anomalous than the others).
>>>
>>> Forbes has Colbert with *only* a 31% decline in ratings from 2015, while
>>> Noah and Fallon are both around 65% decline.
>>>
>>> Those decline percentages are probably an overestimate since they are
>>> based on low viewership August numbers only for 2022, but they give a sense
>>> of the magnitude of the changing environment. No matter how hot Noah is
>>> with the demo and viral videos, his TV numbers are low and falling, and CC
>>> can not make money paying him $16M. I will be shocked if whoever replaces
>>> him is paid more than $5M, and not surprised if it is less than that. CBS
>>> is probably still making a profit at 11:35, but NBC is likely only doing
>>> slightly better than breaking even. All of these guys will make less on
>>> their next contract than they do now, which is pretty much the point at
>>> which people move on to other gigs.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, 30 Sep 2022 at 12:21 PM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV <
>>> tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>
 Nope, just the usual suspects about a particular show (e.g. recent
 claims by Gutfeld) or Futon Critic whom just has the big nets' 11.35 folks
 (Kimmel took the latest round)
 B

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> Anyone have current ratings for all late night shows?
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: Trevor Noah leaving The Daily Show

2022-09-30 Thread Kevin M.

On Fri, Sep 30, 2022 at 9:35 PM Mark Jeffries  wrote:

> You have to remember that most of the late-night hosts were on hiatus for
> most of August, with only Kimmel doing guest hosts that month.  Gutfeld's
> on every night and has a substitute on the nights off.  Also, he has that
> carryover audience over 65 that's been watching Fox News all night (if not
> all day) that no one else really has. But yeah, when Colbert has frickin'
> direct response ads on his show, you can tell late night is not what it
> used to be.
>
> Carson and Ed used to do live ads for dog food, and that was at the height
of their run on The Tonight Show, so that feels like a clumsy barometer to
try to use.


Mark Jeffries
> spotligh...@gmail.com
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 30, 2022 at 6:40 PM PGage  wrote:
>
>> It is really hard to find ratings numbers for late night shows, a huge
>> difference from when I used to follow these numbers closely during Conan’s
>> Tonight Show. I did find this though from Forbes:
>>
>>
>> https://www.forbes.com/sites/marisadellatto/2022/09/30/how-late-night-talk-ratings-cratered-during-trevor-noahs-daily-show-era/
>>
>> Noah averaged 1.1M viewers his first season (2015-16), while Fallon was
>> at 3.8M and Colbert 3.2M.
>>
>> Forbes does not give average ratings for the entire 2021-22 season, just
>> for August, which obviously is not very typical.
>>
>> They have Noah at 383K, Colbert at 2.16M, and Fallon at 1.34M (Kimmel was
>> 1.1M and Gutfield at 2.2M but I am not focusing on either as their August
>> 2022 ratings even more anomalous than the others).
>>
>> Forbes has Colbert with *only* a 31% decline in ratings from 2015, while
>> Noah and Fallon are both around 65% decline.
>>
>> Those decline percentages are probably an overestimate since they are
>> based on low viewership August numbers only for 2022, but they give a sense
>> of the magnitude of the changing environment. No matter how hot Noah is
>> with the demo and viral videos, his TV numbers are low and falling, and CC
>> can not make money paying him $16M. I will be shocked if whoever replaces
>> him is paid more than $5M, and not surprised if it is less than that. CBS
>> is probably still making a profit at 11:35, but NBC is likely only doing
>> slightly better than breaking even. All of these guys will make less on
>> their next contract than they do now, which is pretty much the point at
>> which people move on to other gigs.
>>
>>
>> On Fri, 30 Sep 2022 at 12:21 PM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV <
>> tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Nope, just the usual suspects about a particular show (e.g. recent
>>> claims by Gutfeld) or Futon Critic whom just has the big nets' 11.35 folks
>>> (Kimmel took the latest round)
>>> B
>>>
>>> Steve Timko, to M-D November et al, Sept 30th:
>>>
 Anyone have current ratings for all late night shows?

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: Trevor Noah leaving The Daily Show

2022-09-30 Thread Mark Jeffries

You have to remember that most of the late-night hosts were on hiatus for
most of August, with only Kimmel doing guest hosts that month.  Gutfeld's
on every night and has a substitute on the nights off.  Also, he has that
carryover audience over 65 that's been watching Fox News all night (if not
all day) that no one else really has. But yeah, when Colbert has frickin'
direct response ads on his show, you can tell late night is not what it
used to be.

Mark Jeffries
spotligh...@gmail.com


On Fri, Sep 30, 2022 at 6:40 PM PGage  wrote:

> It is really hard to find ratings numbers for late night shows, a huge
> difference from when I used to follow these numbers closely during Conan’s
> Tonight Show. I did find this though from Forbes:
>
>
> https://www.forbes.com/sites/marisadellatto/2022/09/30/how-late-night-talk-ratings-cratered-during-trevor-noahs-daily-show-era/
>
> Noah averaged 1.1M viewers his first season (2015-16), while Fallon was at
> 3.8M and Colbert 3.2M.
>
> Forbes does not give average ratings for the entire 2021-22 season, just
> for August, which obviously is not very typical.
>
> They have Noah at 383K, Colbert at 2.16M, and Fallon at 1.34M (Kimmel was
> 1.1M and Gutfield at 2.2M but I am not focusing on either as their August
> 2022 ratings even more anomalous than the others).
>
> Forbes has Colbert with *only* a 31% decline in ratings from 2015, while
> Noah and Fallon are both around 65% decline.
>
> Those decline percentages are probably an overestimate since they are
> based on low viewership August numbers only for 2022, but they give a sense
> of the magnitude of the changing environment. No matter how hot Noah is
> with the demo and viral videos, his TV numbers are low and falling, and CC
> can not make money paying him $16M. I will be shocked if whoever replaces
> him is paid more than $5M, and not surprised if it is less than that. CBS
> is probably still making a profit at 11:35, but NBC is likely only doing
> slightly better than breaking even. All of these guys will make less on
> their next contract than they do now, which is pretty much the point at
> which people move on to other gigs.
>
>
> On Fri, 30 Sep 2022 at 12:21 PM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV <
> tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> Nope, just the usual suspects about a particular show (e.g. recent claims
>> by Gutfeld) or Futon Critic whom just has the big nets' 11.35 folks (Kimmel
>> took the latest round)
>> B
>>
>> Steve Timko, to M-D November et al, Sept 30th:
>>
>>> Anyone have current ratings for all late night shows?
>>>
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: Trevor Noah leaving The Daily Show

2022-09-30 Thread PGage

It is really hard to find ratings numbers for late night shows, a huge
difference from when I used to follow these numbers closely during Conan’s
Tonight Show. I did find this though from Forbes:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/marisadellatto/2022/09/30/how-late-night-talk-ratings-cratered-during-trevor-noahs-daily-show-era/

Noah averaged 1.1M viewers his first season (2015-16), while Fallon was at
3.8M and Colbert 3.2M.

Forbes does not give average ratings for the entire 2021-22 season, just
for August, which obviously is not very typical.

They have Noah at 383K, Colbert at 2.16M, and Fallon at 1.34M (Kimmel was
1.1M and Gutfield at 2.2M but I am not focusing on either as their August
2022 ratings even more anomalous than the others).

Forbes has Colbert with *only* a 31% decline in ratings from 2015, while
Noah and Fallon are both around 65% decline.

Those decline percentages are probably an overestimate since they are based
on low viewership August numbers only for 2022, but they give a sense of
the magnitude of the changing environment. No matter how hot Noah is with
the demo and viral videos, his TV numbers are low and falling, and CC can
not make money paying him $16M. I will be shocked if whoever replaces him
is paid more than $5M, and not surprised if it is less than that. CBS is
probably still making a profit at 11:35, but NBC is likely only doing
slightly better than breaking even. All of these guys will make less on
their next contract than they do now, which is pretty much the point at
which people move on to other gigs.

On Fri, 30 Sep 2022 at 12:21 PM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV <
tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Nope, just the usual suspects about a particular show (e.g. recent claims
> by Gutfeld) or Futon Critic whom just has the big nets' 11.35 folks (Kimmel
> took the latest round)
> B
>
> Steve Timko, to M-D November et al, Sept 30th:
>
>> Anyone have current ratings for all late night shows?
>>
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: Trevor Noah leaving The Daily Show

2022-09-30 Thread PGage

That would be nice, but I don’t see them hosting both Oliver and Noah. But
I think Maher’s model, not just weekly, but more seasonal than Oliver, is
the kind of thing we will see, perhaps coming from a different world city
every week for three months, or something like that.

On Fri, 30 Sep 2022 at 3:21 PM Kevin M.  wrote:

> Maybe he can replace the witless bigotry of Bill Maher on HBO?
>
> One can hope, right?
>
> On Fri, Sep 30, 2022 at 2:58 PM davesik...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I don't disagree about him moving to streaming (like Dave and Stewart),
>> but I wouldn't count Paramount out. He seems to have good relations with
>> them and, eventually, their geezer audience that's addicted to procedurals
>> is going to die off. Might be a good idea to cultivate a younger demo.
>>
>> --Dave Sikula
>>
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: Trevor Noah leaving The Daily Show

2022-09-30 Thread 'David Bruggeman' via TVorNotTV

Maher's Real Time deal runs through 2024. It might depend on how much Bill
costs compared to Trevor, but after what will be 20 plus years at HBO, a change
to a younger show wouldn't be the craziest thing. Maher would still have his
podcasts to refine his Abe Simpson impersonation.

David

On Friday, September 30, 2022 at 03:21:47 PM PDT, Kevin M.
wrote:

Maybe he can replace the witless bigotry of Bill Maher on HBO?
One can hope, right?
On Fri, Sep 30, 2022 at 2:58 PM davesik...@gmail.com
wrote:

I don't disagree about him moving to streaming (like Dave and Stewart), but I
wouldn't count Paramount out. He seems to have good relations with them and,
eventually, their geezer audience that's addicted to procedurals is going to
die off. Might be a good idea to cultivate a younger demo.
--Dave Sikula

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: Trevor Noah leaving The Daily Show

2022-09-30 Thread Steve Timko

>
>
> Noah's depature earned a press release from the Donald Trump camp.


ICYMI: "Nolte: Trevor Noah Slinks Off ‘Daily Show’ After Losing 75% of
Audience"

Trevor Noah was a waste of time, no talent, no anything. Jon Stewart was
only slightly better, but highly overrated. Comedy Central should focus on
comedy and not politics, because they’re not very good at it. If these
characters ever went neutral or Conservative, they’d double and triple up
the ratings—but nobody’s figured that out except me! Congratulations to
John Nolte for his unique brilliance and insight.

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: Trevor Noah leaving The Daily Show

2022-09-30 Thread Kevin M.

Maybe he can replace the witless bigotry of Bill Maher on HBO?

One can hope, right?

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> but I wouldn't count Paramount out. He seems to have good relations with
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> is going to die off. Might be a good idea to cultivate a younger demo.
>
> --Dave Sikula
>
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: Trevor Noah leaving The Daily Show

2022-09-30 Thread davesik...@gmail.com

 I don't disagree about him moving to streaming (like Dave and Stewart), but I 
wouldn't count Paramount out. He seems to have good relations with them and, 
eventually, their geezer audience that's addicted to procedurals is going to 
die off. Might be a good idea to cultivate a younger demo.
--Dave Sikula

  
 

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: Trevor Noah leaving The Daily Show

2022-09-30 Thread PGage

I do think he is headed for some streaming based version of his TDS spiel,
probably even more segmented to allow for friendly viral videos, and also,
as has been suggested, less frequently than daily. He really is worth at
least his $16M a year, just on a venue with more upside potential. I would
bet $10 he will get a deal with AppleTV or Amazon inside of a year. Second
bet, since he is probably ideally suited for a free or low cost ad- based
service, but probably not Disney or Warner or Paramount or Comcast, which
are all more conservative, would be Netflix.

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wrote:

> I'd have to wonder what Noah's future looks like. Obviously, his standup
> career is (bafflingly to me) thriving, but how long can that last?
> (Indefinitely, one supposes ...). Acting would not seem to be in his
> future, though, at least based on his very limited range on TDS. Books,
> maybe? Politics back home?
>
> --Dave Sikula
>
>
> On Friday, September 30, 2022 at 08:42:29 AM PDT, PGage 
> wrote:
>
>
> Matt Belloni at Puck says the 5-year contact Noah signed in 2017 was up,
> and in the current environment was never going to be renewed at anything
> close to the $16M/Season. Noah knew this, and knows he can make a lot of
> money just touring (he does very well) and then explore other
> opportunities. Belloni expects the franchise to continue with someone at a
> much (much) lower cost.
>
> I stopped watching Noah regularly sometime during his first year, and only
> check in sporadically since (at increasingly long intervals). I feel like I
> should like him, but 4 times out if 5, I don’t. It probably is
> generational, but often it feels like he is regurgitating obvious points as
> if they are cutting edge, and I find myself more often annoyed than amused.
>
> But the kids do dig him. Reports are that his TDS does create a lot of
> online traffic. I think he is an example of someone who is more successful
> than basic cable can support. When Stewart blew up CC paid to keep him
> because it felt like a ticket to higher levels of revenue. But now, no
> matter how popular Noah is, the ceiling is low on how much more revenue he
> can generate for them. He will likely pop up at some streamer in some
> capacity in 9 months.
>
> On Fri, 30 Sep 2022 at 1:50 AM 'Dave Sikula' via TVorNotTV <
> tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> I'm with you on this one. I think I've long since made my feelings about
> Noah and his parade of skits and crappy accents well-known.
>
> While the next host should probably be someone like Dulce Sloan (whose own
> career is probably in the midst of taking off), I wouldn't be surprised if
> Paramount just ends the franchise. Surely Office and South Park reruns must
> be more cost-effective. Does TDS content go viral enough among the
> young'uns? I would miss Klepper baiting MAGAs, though.
>
> --Dave Sikula
>
> On Thursday, September 29, 2022 at 8:08:21 PM UTC-7 Kevin M. (RPCV) wrote:
>
> For better or worse, he reshaped the series to cater to (pander to) a
> younger generation, making it all but unwatchable to viewers like me. I
> like Noah, but not as a host.
>
> I’m willing to give a different host a try
>
>
> https://variety.com/2022/tv/news/trevor-noah-leaving-daily-show-1235388893/amp/
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: Trevor Noah leaving The Daily Show

2022-09-30 Thread 'David Bruggeman' via TVorNotTV

Noah's book "Born a Crime" was well received. He had a strong international
touring presence before anyone in the States knew who he was. I'm guessing
he's either maintained that or can revive it with more free time.

David

On Friday, September 30, 2022 at 02:14:06 PM PDT, davesik...@gmail.com
wrote:

I'd have to wonder what Noah's future looks like. Obviously, his standup
career is (bafflingly to me) thriving, but how long can that last?
(Indefinitely, one supposes ...). Acting would not seem to be in his future,
though, at least based on his very limited range on TDS. Books, maybe? Politics
back home?
--Dave Sikula

On Friday, September 30, 2022 at 08:42:29 AM PDT, PGage
wrote:

Matt Belloni at Puck says the 5-year contact Noah signed in 2017 was up, and
in the current environment was never going to be renewed at anything close to
the $16M/Season. Noah knew this, and knows he can make a lot of money just
touring (he does very well) and then explore other opportunities. Belloni
expects the franchise to continue with someone at a much (much) lower cost.
I stopped watching Noah regularly sometime during his first year, and only
check in sporadically since (at increasingly long intervals). I feel like I
should like him, but 4 times out if 5, I don’t. It probably is generational,
but often it feels like he is regurgitating obvious points as if they are
cutting edge, and I find myself more often annoyed than amused.
But the kids do dig him. Reports are that his TDS does create a lot of online
traffic. I think he is an example of someone who is more successful than basic
cable can support. When Stewart blew up CC paid to keep him because it felt
like a ticket to higher levels of revenue. But now, no matter how popular Noah
is, the ceiling is low on how much more revenue he can generate for them. He
will likely pop up at some streamer in some capacity in 9 months.
On Fri, 30 Sep 2022 at 1:50 AM 'Dave Sikula' via TVorNotTV
wrote:

I'm with you on this one. I think I've long since made my feelings about Noah
and his parade of skits and crappy accents well-known.
While the next host should probably be someone like Dulce Sloan (whose own
career is probably in the midst of taking off), I wouldn't be surprised if
Paramount just ends the franchise. Surely Office and South Park reruns must be
more cost-effective. Does TDS content go viral enough among the young'uns? I
would miss Klepper baiting MAGAs, though.

--Dave Sikula

On Thursday, September 29, 2022 at 8:08:21 PM UTC-7 Kevin M. (RPCV) wrote:

For better or worse, he reshaped the series to cater to (pander to) a younger
generation, making it all but unwatchable to viewers like me. I like Noah, but
not as a host.
I’m willing to give a different host a try

https://variety.com/2022/tv/news/trevor-noah-leaving-daily-show-1235388893/amp/
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: Trevor Noah leaving The Daily Show

2022-09-30 Thread davesik...@gmail.com

On Friday, September 30, 2022 at 08:42:29 AM PDT, PGage
wrote:

--Dave Sikula

On Thursday, September 29, 2022 at 8:08:21 PM UTC-7 Kevin M. (RPCV) wrote:

https://variety.com/2022/tv/news/trevor-noah-leaving-daily-show-1235388893/amp/
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: Trevor Noah leaving The Daily Show

2022-09-30 Thread 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV

Nope, just the usual suspects about a particular show (e.g. recent claims 
by Gutfeld) or Futon Critic whom just has the big nets' 11.35 folks (Kimmel 
took the latest round)
B

Steve Timko, to M-D November et al, Sept 30th:

> Anyone have current ratings for all late night shows?
>

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: Trevor Noah leaving The Daily Show

2022-09-30 Thread Steve Timko

Anyone have current ratings for all late night shows?

On Fri, Sep 30, 2022, 8:51 AM M-D November  wrote:

> That show already exists - it's called "Last Week Tonight with John
> Oliver".
>
> On Friday, September 30, 2022 at 11:31:22 AM UTC-4 David Bruggeman wrote:
>
>> I think the Klepper stuff could have a continued life beyond The Daily
>> Show as the occasional special (monthly, quarterly?).
>>
>> If they don't end the show (now 26 years old and counting) outright, I
>> could see them renaming it "The Weekly Show" and reducing their costs that
>> way (I suppose they could do a full hour once a week).
>>
>> David
>>
>> On Friday, September 30, 2022 at 01:50:29 AM PDT, 'Dave Sikula' via
>> TVorNotTV  wrote:
>>
>>
>> I'm with you on this one. I think I've long since made my feelings about
>> Noah and his parade of skits and crappy accents well-known.
>>
>> While the next host should probably be someone like Dulce Sloan (whose
>> own career is probably in the midst of taking off), I wouldn't be surprised
>> if Paramount just ends the franchise. Surely Office and South Park reruns
>> must be more cost-effective. Does TDS content go viral enough among the
>> young'uns? I would miss Klepper baiting MAGAs, though.
>>
>> --Dave Sikula
>>
>> On Thursday, September 29, 2022 at 8:08:21 PM UTC-7 Kevin M. (RPCV) wrote:
>>
>> For better or worse, he reshaped the series to cater to (pander to) a
>> younger generation, making it all but unwatchable to viewers like me. I
>> like Noah, but not as a host.
>>
>> I’m willing to give a different host a try
>>
>>
>> https://variety.com/2022/tv/news/trevor-noah-leaving-daily-show-1235388893/amp/
>>
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: Trevor Noah leaving The Daily Show

2022-09-30 Thread M-D November

That show already exists - it's called "Last Week Tonight with John Oliver".

On Friday, September 30, 2022 at 11:31:22 AM UTC-4 David Bruggeman wrote:

> I think the Klepper stuff could have a continued life beyond The Daily 
> Show as the occasional special (monthly, quarterly?).
>
> If they don't end the show (now 26 years old and counting) outright, I 
> could see them renaming it "The Weekly Show" and reducing their costs that 
> way (I suppose they could do a full hour once a week).
>
> David
>
> On Friday, September 30, 2022 at 01:50:29 AM PDT, 'Dave Sikula' via 
> TVorNotTV  wrote: 
>
>
> I'm with you on this one. I think I've long since made my feelings about 
> Noah and his parade of skits and crappy accents well-known.
>
> While the next host should probably be someone like Dulce Sloan (whose own 
> career is probably in the midst of taking off), I wouldn't be surprised if 
> Paramount just ends the franchise. Surely Office and South Park reruns must 
> be more cost-effective. Does TDS content go viral enough among the 
> young'uns? I would miss Klepper baiting MAGAs, though.
>
> --Dave Sikula
>
> On Thursday, September 29, 2022 at 8:08:21 PM UTC-7 Kevin M. (RPCV) wrote:
>
> For better or worse, he reshaped the series to cater to (pander to) a 
> younger generation, making it all but unwatchable to viewers like me. I 
> like Noah, but not as a host. 
>
> I’m willing to give a different host a try 
>
>
> https://variety.com/2022/tv/news/trevor-noah-leaving-daily-show-1235388893/amp/
>
> -- 
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>
>

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: Trevor Noah leaving The Daily Show

2022-09-30 Thread PGage

Matt Belloni at Puck says the 5-year contact Noah signed in 2017 was up,
and in the current environment was never going to be renewed at anything
close to the $16M/Season. Noah knew this, and knows he can make a lot of
money just touring (he does very well) and then explore other
opportunities. Belloni expects the franchise to continue with someone at a
much (much) lower cost.

I stopped watching Noah regularly sometime during his first year, and only
check in sporadically since (at increasingly long intervals). I feel like I
should like him, but 4 times out if 5, I don’t. It probably is
generational, but often it feels like he is regurgitating obvious points as
if they are cutting edge, and I find myself more often annoyed than amused.

But the kids do dig him. Reports are that his TDS does create a lot of
online traffic. I think he is an example of someone who is more successful
than basic cable can support. When Stewart blew up CC paid to keep him
because it felt like a ticket to higher levels of revenue. But now, no
matter how popular Noah is, the ceiling is low on how much more revenue he
can generate for them. He will likely pop up at some streamer in some
capacity in 9 months.

On Fri, 30 Sep 2022 at 1:50 AM 'Dave Sikula' via TVorNotTV <
tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> I'm with you on this one. I think I've long since made my feelings about
> Noah and his parade of skits and crappy accents well-known.
>
> While the next host should probably be someone like Dulce Sloan (whose own
> career is probably in the midst of taking off), I wouldn't be surprised if
> Paramount just ends the franchise. Surely Office and South Park reruns must
> be more cost-effective. Does TDS content go viral enough among the
> young'uns? I would miss Klepper baiting MAGAs, though.
>
> --Dave Sikula
>
> On Thursday, September 29, 2022 at 8:08:21 PM UTC-7 Kevin M. (RPCV) wrote:
>
>> For better or worse, he reshaped the series to cater to (pander to) a
>> younger generation, making it all but unwatchable to viewers like me. I
>> like Noah, but not as a host.
>>
>> I’m willing to give a different host a try
>>
>>
>> https://variety.com/2022/tv/news/trevor-noah-leaving-daily-show-1235388893/amp/
>>
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: Trevor Noah leaving The Daily Show

2022-09-30 Thread 'David Bruggeman' via TVorNotTV

I think the Klepper stuff could have a continued life beyond The Daily Show as
the occasional special (monthly, quarterly?).
If they don't end the show (now 26 years old and counting) outright, I could
see them renaming it "The Weekly Show" and reducing their costs that way (I
suppose they could do a full hour once a week).
David

On Friday, September 30, 2022 at 01:50:29 AM PDT, 'Dave Sikula' via
TVorNotTV wrote:

--Dave Sikula

On Thursday, September 29, 2022 at 8:08:21 PM UTC-7 Kevin M. (RPCV) wrote:

https://variety.com/2022/tv/news/trevor-noah-leaving-daily-show-1235388893/amp/
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[TV orNotTV] Re: Trevor Noah leaving The Daily Show

2022-09-30 Thread 'Dave Sikula' via TVorNotTV

I'm with you on this one. I think I've long since made my feelings about 
Noah and his parade of skits and crappy accents well-known.

While the next host should probably be someone like Dulce Sloan (whose own 
career is probably in the midst of taking off), I wouldn't be surprised if 
Paramount just ends the franchise. Surely Office and South Park reruns must 
be more cost-effective. Does TDS content go viral enough among the 
young'uns? I would miss Klepper baiting MAGAs, though.

--Dave Sikula

On Thursday, September 29, 2022 at 8:08:21 PM UTC-7 Kevin M. (RPCV) wrote:

> For better or worse, he reshaped the series to cater to (pander to) a 
> younger generation, making it all but unwatchable to viewers like me. I 
> like Noah, but not as a host. 
>
> I’m willing to give a different host a try 
>
>
> https://variety.com/2022/tv/news/trevor-noah-leaving-daily-show-1235388893/amp/
>
> -- 
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>

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