Re: [twitter-dev] Re: Upcoming changes to the way status IDs are sequenced

2010-04-11 Thread John Kalucki
1:20 PM *To:* twitter-development-talk@googlegroups.com *Subject:* Re: [twitter-dev] Re: Upcoming changes to the way status IDs are sequenced Folks are making a lot of incorrect assumptions about the Twitter architecture, especially around how we materialize and present timeline vectors

Re: [twitter-dev] Re: Upcoming changes to the way status IDs are sequenced

2010-04-11 Thread Josh Bleecher Snyder
To: twitter-development-talk@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [twitter-dev] Re: Upcoming changes to the way status IDs are sequenced Folks are making a lot of incorrect assumptions about the Twitter architecture, especially around how we materialize and present timeline vectors and just what QoS

Re: [twitter-dev] Re: Upcoming changes to the way status IDs are sequenced

2010-04-11 Thread John Kalucki
...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Kalucki Sent: Friday, April 09, 2010 3:31 PM To: twitter-development-talk@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [twitter-dev] Re: Upcoming changes to the way status IDs are sequenced Your second paragraph doesn't quite make sense. The period between your next

Re: [twitter-dev] Re: Upcoming changes to the way status IDs are sequenced

2010-04-11 Thread Nick Arnett
On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 5:14 PM, John Kalucki j...@twitter.com wrote: This is useful stuff for dealing with infinite sequences of events -- like, picking a random example, the insertion of new tweets into a materialized timeline (a cache of the timeline vector). The Twitter stream is an

Re: [twitter-dev] Re: Upcoming changes to the way status IDs are sequenced

2010-04-09 Thread Dave Sherohman
On Thu, Apr 08, 2010 at 05:03:29PM -0700, Naveen wrote: However, I wanted to be clear and feel it should be made obvious that with this change, there is a possibility that a tweet may not be delivered to client if the implementation of how since_id is currently used is not updated to cover the

RE: [twitter-dev] Re: Upcoming changes to the way status IDs are sequenced

2010-04-09 Thread Brian Smith
a much more naive approach to pagination. Thanks again, Brian From: twitter-development-talk@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of John Kalucki Sent: Friday, April 09, 2010 1:20 PM To: twitter-development-talk@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [twitter-dev] Re: Upcoming changes to the way status IDs

Re: [twitter-dev] Re: Upcoming changes to the way status IDs are sequenced

2010-04-09 Thread John Kalucki
@googlegroups.com *Subject:* Re: [twitter-dev] Re: Upcoming changes to the way status IDs are sequenced Folks are making a lot of incorrect assumptions about the Twitter architecture, especially around how we materialize and present timeline vectors and just what QoS we're really offering

RE: [twitter-dev] Re: Upcoming changes to the way status IDs are sequenced

2010-04-09 Thread Brian Smith
@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [twitter-dev] Re: Upcoming changes to the way status IDs are sequenced Folks are making a lot of incorrect assumptions about the Twitter architecture, especially around how we materialize and present timeline vectors and just what QoS we're really offering. This new scheme

Re: [twitter-dev] Re: Upcoming changes to the way status IDs are sequenced

2010-04-08 Thread Mark McBride
Thank you for the feedback. It's great to hear about the variety of use cases people have for the API, and in particular all the different ways people are using IDs. To alleviate some of the concerns raised in this thread we thought it would be useful to give more details about how we plan to

Re: [twitter-dev] Re: Upcoming changes to the way status IDs are sequenced

2010-04-08 Thread Nick Arnett
On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 10:47 AM, Dewald Pretorius dpr...@gmail.com wrote: Mark, It's extremely important where you have two bots that reply to each others' tweets. With incorrectly sorted tweets, you get conversations that look completely unnatural. I'd love to see an example of two bots

Re: [twitter-dev] Re: Upcoming changes to the way status IDs are sequenced

2010-04-08 Thread Lil Peck
On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 5:39 PM, Nick Arnett nick.arn...@gmail.com wrote: I'd love to see an example of two bots replying to each other and looking entirely natural! We all knew this sort of thing was going on, removing the pesky humans from the loop, but I always thought it was

RE: [twitter-dev] Re: Upcoming changes to the way status IDs are sequenced

2010-04-08 Thread Brian Smith
...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mark McBride Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 5:10 PM To: twitter-development-talk@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [twitter-dev] Re: Upcoming changes to the way status IDs are sequenced Thank you for the feedback. It's great to hear about the variety of use cases

Re: [twitter-dev] Re: Upcoming changes to the way status IDs are sequenced

2010-04-08 Thread Mark McBride
-development-talk@googlegroups.com [mailto: twitter-development-t...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mark McBride Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 5:10 PM To: twitter-development-talk@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [twitter-dev] Re: Upcoming changes to the way status IDs are sequenced Thank

RE: [twitter-dev] Re: Upcoming changes to the way status IDs are sequenced

2010-04-08 Thread Brian Smith
: [twitter-dev] Re: Upcoming changes to the way status IDs are sequenced It's a possibility, but by no means a probability. Note that you can mitigate this by using the newest tweet that is outside your danger zone. For example in a sequence of tweets t1, t2 ... ti ... tn with creation

Re: [twitter-dev] Re: Upcoming changes to the way status IDs are sequenced

2010-04-05 Thread M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
On 04/05/2010 12:55 AM, Tim Haines wrote: This made me laugh. Hard. On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 6:47 AM, Dewald Pretorius dpr...@gmail.com wrote: Mark, It's extremely important where you have two bots that reply to each others' tweets. With incorrectly sorted tweets, you get conversations

Re: [twitter-dev] Re: Upcoming changes to the way status IDs are sequenced

2010-04-01 Thread Mark McBride
Just out of curiosity, what applications are you building that require sub-second sorting resolution for tweets? ---Mark http://twitter.com/mccv On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 11:01 PM, Aki yoru.fuku...@gmail.com wrote: It actually makes sense to use tweet ID to sort tweets, because timestamp is

Re: [twitter-dev] Re: Upcoming changes to the way status IDs are sequenced

2010-03-31 Thread Adam Fields
On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 07:30:00AM -0700, eugene.man...@gmail.com wrote: Second that. Our app continuously retrieves feeds of individual users and lists. Monotonically increasing are required to be able to do that (using since_id). [...] Since the most significant bits are generated from a

Re: [twitter-dev] Re: Upcoming changes to the way status IDs are sequenced

2010-03-27 Thread Josh Bleecher Snyder
So I think we need to allow Twitter some leeway here. I apologize if my tone came off badly; it was not intended. I've just had bumpy rides using timestamps for coordination in distributed systems (less cool ones than space flight), so this worried me a little. In the end, whatever Twitter

Re: [twitter-dev] Re: Upcoming changes to the way status IDs are sequenced

2010-03-27 Thread Chad Etzel
So, I guess for the since_id issue, it boils down to this question: Regarding the since_id parameter, when you (Twitter) flip the switch on the new ID format, will I (as a developer) have to change any of my code in order for it to function the way it does now? This question applies equally for

Re: [twitter-dev] Re: Upcoming changes to the way status IDs are sequenced

2010-03-26 Thread Nigel Legg
I hope you're right, but my app design depends on since_id, and before I proceed further I want to be sure that I will not have to rebuild when this new format comes in. On 26 March 2010 21:09, Ray Krueger raykrue...@gmail.com wrote: I would think that this would make no difference for

Re: [twitter-dev] Re: Upcoming changes to the way status IDs are sequenced

2010-03-26 Thread Naveen Ayyagari
I am still a little unclear if we will be able to determine the correct since_id to pass to the api by always looking for the largest tweet id we have seen. It seems if two messages are posted at very close to same time, they may not be sequential since the bottom bits will be randomly

Re: [twitter-dev] Re: Upcoming changes to the way status IDs are sequenced

2010-03-26 Thread Josh Bleecher Snyder
Hi Taylor (et al.), There are two reasons to think that, with the scheme you propose, tweet ids will not necessarily be monotonically increasing. Naveen hit the first: It seems if two messages are posted at very close to same time, they may not be sequential since the bottom bits will be