Re: [twsocket] Mailing list usage

2008-12-17 Thread Arno Garrels
Guillaume ROQUES wrote:
 Hi,
 Another disadvantage of the mailing list is to Search a
 topic

Try: http://marc.info/?l=twsocket

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Re: [twsocket] Mailing list usage

2008-12-17 Thread Jeff Hamblin
 For many reason I already exposed several times here, my prefer using a
 mailing list.
 I will not start the discussion here. It's enough to say the main reason 
 is
 a better control of what is going public.


I also prefer the mailing list. (Just so you know you aren't the only one!)

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[twsocket] WriteCount property proposal

2008-12-17 Thread Anton Sviridov
I just thought: why not implement a sent data counter as it's done with 
ReadCount? It would be rather useful for sockets on the servers, for example.

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Re: [twsocket] Mailing list usage

2008-12-17 Thread Angus Robertson - Magenta Systems Ltd
 Of course it's just my imho, but wouldn't it better to switch to 
 modern technologies like message boards/forums? Nailing list... 
 forgive me, but it's an ancient ages stuff. Main inconvenience is a 
 huge quotations in each mail, and the further in discussion, the 
 larger they grow, sometimes including 3 or 4 mails! So the digest 
 becomes terrifying, and hard to read new info.

Only for lazy people that attach the entire previous message including
all the unsubscribe information.  

For people using proper threaded mail clients, no quoting atall should be
necessary. 

But most forums I see also include massive quoting, and show entire
threads on a single page, so you have to scroll past all the messages
you've seen before to see is anyone has added a comment.  So you waste
hours and hours looking for new messages, unlike a decent email client
that allows each new email message to be seen by a simple CR key.   Ditto
a decent NNTP reader.   So I rarely read any web forums. 

But I agree people should have a choice and how to post and read messages.
I'm currently trying to set-up forums on my new hosted Windows 2008
Server, without spending to much (more) money.  Ideally I wanted
something that would allow both web and NNTP access, similarly to the
Codegear forums, but I've been unable to find anything at a reasonable
price, such software seems aimed at large corporations with unlimited
budgets.  The best I've found so far is   

http://www.yetanotherforum.net/

which is a .net application with source code.  It has unfinished NNTP
capability, which seemed simply to echo new articles to an NNTP server.  

If anyone has found better forum/mail/NNTP software for Windows, I'd be
happy to host it.  

Angus
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[twsocket] Need help with NTLM (reverse proxy side)

2008-12-17 Thread Fastream Technologies
Hello,

Customers have reported that MS Sharepoint and Exchange is not working well
with NTLM auth and our reverse proxy. What I thought was reverse proxy being
transparent and just send the request and response headers back and forth to
web server (that I receive from browser). However, the issue is a CORRECT
password is never accepted. (This is in tunneling mode--when I handle NTLM
ended on reverse proxy it works.). ISA Server and Squid work fine. Any
clues??

Best Regards,
SZ
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Re: [twsocket] Mailing list usage

2008-12-17 Thread Maurizio Lotauro
Scrive Angus Robertson - Magenta Systems Ltd an...@magsys.co.uk:

[...]

 Only for lazy people that attach the entire previous message including
 all the unsubscribe information.  

This unfortunately in a very common practice :-(

[...]

 I'm currently trying to set-up forums on my new hosted Windows 2008
 Server, without spending to much (more) money.  Ideally I wanted
 something that would allow both web and NNTP access, similarly to the
 Codegear forums, but I've been unable to find anything at a reasonable
 price, such software seems aimed at large corporations with unlimited
 budgets.

Marco Cantu use that kind of software. AFAIK it is developed internally with
Delphi, you can ask him.


Bye, Maurizio.


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Re: [twsocket] Mailing list usage

2008-12-17 Thread Wilfried Mestdagh
a time ago I found a free service to message board that could be act as
a copy of a mailing list and vice versa. then both can be used.

if Francois agree I could search for it.

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Wednesday, December 17, 2008, 10:31, Anton Sviridov wrote:

 Of course it's just my imho, but wouldn't it better to switch to
 modern technologies like message boards/forums? Nailing list...
 forgive me, but it's an ancient ages stuff. Main inconvenience is a
 huge quotations in each mail, and the further in discussion, the
 larger they grow, sometimes including 3 or 4 mails! So the digest
 becomes terrifying, and hard to read new info.
 Another trouble is answering - as for me, I only receive digest, so
 I couldn't just press Reply, I am compelled to copy-paste each
 sentence and it is really tiring work.

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Re: [twsocket] Mailing list usage

2008-12-17 Thread Guillaume ROQUES
Hi,
Another disadvantage of the mailing list is to Search a topicMaybe a 
question has been asked several times since the mailing list exist, 
hasn't it ?

Guillaume ROQUES
CANYON Technologies
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Re: [twsocket] Mailing list usage

2008-12-17 Thread Francois Piette
 wouldn't it better to switch to modern technologies like message
boards/forums?

For many reason I already exposed several times here, my prefer using a
mailing list.
I will not start the discussion here. It's enough to say the main reason is
a better control of what is going public.

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[twsocket] Mailing list usage

2008-12-17 Thread Anton Sviridov
Only for lazy people that attach the entire previous message including
all the unsubscribe information.

http://lists.elists.org/pipermail/twsocket/2008-December/039307.html

So Arno is lazy? :)

But most forums I see also include massive quoting, and show entire
threads on a single page, so you have to scroll past all the messages
you've seen before to see is anyone has added a comment.  So you waste
hours and hours looking for new messages, unlike a decent email client
that allows each new email message to be seen by a simple CR key.   Ditto
a decent NNTP reader.   So I rarely read any web forums. 

Yes, there are people who use to overquote posts though it's usually a 
forbidden thing on most forums. I hate them :) But what's the goal of quoting? 
To track discussion in a mess of tens various topics, as now. But in forums 
topics are already divided, and when you open topic, you see all previous 
messages, so there is no need of quotes or they can be small. New messages? All 
forum implementations allow Unread messages feature - you see which posts you 
haven't read. Moreover, there is one pretty good thing like RSS, which allows 
to be always informed about new messages.

And another argument: if I wish to save the whole thread, what should I do now? 
Download archive, select needed messages and merge it by hands?

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Re: [twsocket] No specified BCB6 projects in OverbyteIcsV6 RC1

2008-12-17 Thread Ko Brink
Nope, its not there, i just made my own came into a few compiling errors,  
but those where easy to fix, only i don't remember what i did.

have a look zipped the OverbyteIcsSslBcb6.bpk i use -
http://home.online.nl/krbrink/ics/ICSbcb6.zip


On Wed, 17 Dec 2008 08:57:18 +0100, Patrick Wong  
patrickw...@computer.org wrote:

 Dear all,

 While the ReadMe6.txt mentions that BCB6 ICS components are contained in  
 .\delphi\vc32 of OverbyteIcsV6_RC1.zip, no such package files can be  
 found.

 Am I missing something?


 Thanks for any kind advice.


 Best regards,
 Patrick



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Re: [twsocket] Mailing list usage

2008-12-17 Thread Dod
Me too ;-)

JH I also prefer the mailing list. (Just so you know you aren't the only one!)

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