Re: [twsocket] TFtpServer time not listed

2006-03-14 Thread gates
Hello Arno,

This is the standard behavior of all FTP sites I know. For example:
ftp.borland.com, ftp.microsoft.com, ftp.intel.com. I am not sure if it is
because of an RFC or not.

Regards,

SZ

 Hi,

 Why is the time not listed if the file has been modified
 last year?

 FtpSrv.pas, function FormatUnixDirEntry(F : TSearchRec) : String;  ..
 if Year = ThisYear then
 TimeStr := Format('%2.2d:%2.2d', [Hour, Min])
 else
 TimeStr := Format('%5d', [Year]);


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Re: [twsocket] TFtpServer time not listed

2006-03-14 Thread Francois Piette
Because it is the Unix format for dir lists.
If you change that, clients have problems parsing the dir list.
It is also related to the value returned by the SYST command.

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From: Arno Garrels [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 3:08 PM
Subject: [twsocket] TFtpServer time not listed


 Hi,
 
 Why is the time not listed if the file has been modified 
 last year?
 
 FtpSrv.pas, function FormatUnixDirEntry(F : TSearchRec) : String; 
 ..
 if Year = ThisYear then
 TimeStr := Format('%2.2d:%2.2d', [Hour, Min])
 else
 TimeStr := Format('%5d', [Year]);
 
 
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Re: [twsocket] TFtpServer time not listed

2006-03-14 Thread Angus Robertson - Magenta Systems Ltd
  if Year = ThisYear then
  TimeStr := Format('%2.2d:%2.2d', [Hour, Min])
  else
  TimeStr := Format('%5d', [Year]);

This would be much better if the test was for more than 12 months ago, 
rather than this calendar year, otherwise each January file time stamps 
for the previous year become date only without a time element, which is 
a pain for applications that check date and time (but not looked at the 
full function code).  

My applications all use the MLSD directory stuff, so I've not looked 
closely at the Unix format. 

Angus
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Re: [twsocket] TFtpServer time not listed

2006-03-14 Thread Arno Garrels
Angus Robertson - Magenta Systems Ltd wrote:
 My applications all use the MLSD directory stuff, 

Are those commands supported by most servers today?

Arno  
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Re: [twsocket] TFtpServer time not listed

2006-03-14 Thread Angus Robertson - Magenta Systems Ltd
  My applications all use the MLSD directory stuff, 
 Are those commands supported by most servers today?

All except for Microsoft I think, while each new HTTP server in IIS is a 
major step forward, the IIS FTP server is still pretty pathetic in terms 
of modern commands, no SSL and only integrated security.  

But my only applications with the ICS FTP server are for use with my own 
clients.  A public FTP server needs a lot of security and stuff to be 
safe, I'm not planning on offering one.  

Angus
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Re: [twsocket] TFtpServer time not listed

2006-03-14 Thread Fastream Technologies
- Original Message - 
From: Angus Robertson - Magenta Systems Ltd [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: twsocket@elists.org
Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 7:29 PM
Subject: Re: [twsocket] TFtpServer time not listed


  My applications all use the MLSD directory stuff,
 Are those commands supported by most servers today?

 All except for Microsoft I think, while each new HTTP server in IIS is a
 major step forward, the IIS FTP server is still pretty pathetic in terms
 of modern commands, no SSL and only integrated security.

 But my only applications with the ICS FTP server are for use with my own
 clients.  A public FTP server needs a lot of security and stuff to be
 safe, I'm not planning on offering one.

We have been supporting MLSD/MLST before ICS began doing so. Angus is right 
about security as NETFile server FTP part was on bugtraq a few times. Thank 
God it is no longer vulnerable--at least to those in Bugtraq and 
Vulnerability Watch.

Regards,

SZ 

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Re: [twsocket] TFtpServer time not listed

2006-03-14 Thread Arno Garrels
Fastream Technologies wrote:
 - Original Message -
 From: Angus Robertson - Magenta Systems Ltd [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: twsocket@elists.org
 Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 7:29 PM
 Subject: Re: [twsocket] TFtpServer time not listed
 
 
 My applications all use the MLSD directory stuff,
 Are those commands supported by most servers today?
 
 All except for Microsoft I think, while each new HTTP server in IIS is a
 major step forward, the IIS FTP server is still pretty pathetic in terms
 of modern commands, no SSL and only integrated security.
 
 But my only applications with the ICS FTP server are for use with my own
 clients.  A public FTP server needs a lot of security and stuff to be
 safe, I'm not planning on offering one.
 
 We have been supporting MLSD/MLST before ICS began doing so. Angus is
 right about security as NETFile server FTP part was on bugtraq a few
 times. Thank God it is no longer vulnerable--at least to those in Bugtraq
 and Vulnerability Watch.

I don't understand, why should MLSD/MLST be more unsecure than LIST?

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Re: [twsocket] TFtpServer time not listed

2006-03-14 Thread Fastream Technologies
- Original Message - 
From: Arno Garrels [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: ICS support mailing twsocket@elists.org
Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 8:31 PM
Subject: Re: [twsocket] TFtpServer time not listed


 Fastream Technologies wrote:
 - Original Message -
 From: Angus Robertson - Magenta Systems Ltd [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: twsocket@elists.org
 Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 7:29 PM
 Subject: Re: [twsocket] TFtpServer time not listed


 My applications all use the MLSD directory stuff,
 Are those commands supported by most servers today?

 All except for Microsoft I think, while each new HTTP server in IIS is a
 major step forward, the IIS FTP server is still pretty pathetic in terms
 of modern commands, no SSL and only integrated security.

 But my only applications with the ICS FTP server are for use with my own
 clients.  A public FTP server needs a lot of security and stuff to be
 safe, I'm not planning on offering one.

 We have been supporting MLSD/MLST before ICS began doing so. Angus is
 right about security as NETFile server FTP part was on bugtraq a few
 times. Thank God it is no longer vulnerable--at least to those in Bugtraq
 and Vulnerability Watch.

 I don't understand, why should MLSD/MLST be more unsecure than LIST?

No, I mean FTP (as a protocol) is more unsecure than HTTP. Our product is 
both a web server and a FTP server combined 
(http://www.fastream.com/netfileserver.htm) and bugtraq hunters hunted the 
FTP side more.

Regards,

SZ 

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Re: [twsocket] TFtpServer time not listed

2006-03-14 Thread Arno Garrels
Fastream Technologies wrote:
 - Original Message -
 From: Arno Garrels [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: ICS support mailing twsocket@elists.org
 Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 8:31 PM
 Subject: Re: [twsocket] TFtpServer time not listed
 
 
 Fastream Technologies wrote:
 - Original Message -
 From: Angus Robertson - Magenta Systems Ltd [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: twsocket@elists.org
 Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 7:29 PM
 Subject: Re: [twsocket] TFtpServer time not listed
 
 
 My applications all use the MLSD directory stuff,
 Are those commands supported by most servers today?
 
 All except for Microsoft I think, while each new HTTP server in IIS is
 a major step forward, the IIS FTP server is still pretty pathetic in
 terms of modern commands, no SSL and only integrated security.
 
 But my only applications with the ICS FTP server are for use with my
 own clients.  A public FTP server needs a lot of security and stuff to
 be safe, I'm not planning on offering one.
 
 We have been supporting MLSD/MLST before ICS began doing so. Angus is
 right about security as NETFile server FTP part was on bugtraq a few
 times. Thank God it is no longer vulnerable--at least to those in
 Bugtraq and Vulnerability Watch.
 
 I don't understand, why should MLSD/MLST be more unsecure than LIST?
 
 No, I mean FTP (as a protocol) is more unsecure than HTTP. Our product is
 both a web server and a FTP server combined
 (http://www.fastream.com/netfileserver.htm) and bugtraq hunters hunted the
 FTP side more.

That may be, but has nothing to do with the OP. 
I count this in as yet another promotion attempt. 

Arno Garrels 

 
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Re: [twsocket] TFtpServer time not listed

2006-03-14 Thread Fastream Technologies
- Original Message - 
From: Arno Garrels [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: ICS support mailing twsocket@elists.org
Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 9:30 PM
Subject: Re: [twsocket] TFtpServer time not listed


 Fastream Technologies wrote:
 - Original Message -
 From: Arno Garrels [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: ICS support mailing twsocket@elists.org
 Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 8:31 PM
 Subject: Re: [twsocket] TFtpServer time not listed


 Fastream Technologies wrote:
 - Original Message -
 From: Angus Robertson - Magenta Systems Ltd [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: twsocket@elists.org
 Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 7:29 PM
 Subject: Re: [twsocket] TFtpServer time not listed


 My applications all use the MLSD directory stuff,
 Are those commands supported by most servers today?

 All except for Microsoft I think, while each new HTTP server in IIS is
 a major step forward, the IIS FTP server is still pretty pathetic in
 terms of modern commands, no SSL and only integrated security.

 But my only applications with the ICS FTP server are for use with my
 own clients.  A public FTP server needs a lot of security and stuff to
 be safe, I'm not planning on offering one.

 We have been supporting MLSD/MLST before ICS began doing so. Angus is
 right about security as NETFile server FTP part was on bugtraq a few
 times. Thank God it is no longer vulnerable--at least to those in
 Bugtraq and Vulnerability Watch.

 I don't understand, why should MLSD/MLST be more unsecure than LIST?

 No, I mean FTP (as a protocol) is more unsecure than HTTP. Our product is
 both a web server and a FTP server combined
 (http://www.fastream.com/netfileserver.htm) and bugtraq hunters hunted 
 the
 FTP side more.

 That may be, but has nothing to do with the OP.
 I count this in as yet another promotion attempt.

Sorry if I offended. I just wanted to give a reference so people can google 
and see the vulnerabilities we had with our ICS software in the past so that 
they do not fall into the same trap.

Best Regards,

SubZ 

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