Re: [twsocket] R: HttpCli: Opinion wanted !
Sorry about my intervention but I just would like to tell this : - It is true that "hobbyist" developpers like to get latest Delphi version (pirated or free personnal version). - It is true that professional developpers don't have time or resource to spend in upgrading to upper versions of Delphi, learn new features, check compatibility, loose time with new bugs or not-same reacting functions. - It is true that it when you have a running D2/3/4 application you may not want go to delphi 5/6/7/2005 and spend a lot of time to make it work "as it should" on this new version. You will just do the updates/bugfixes using same "old" Delphi version (sometimes isntalled on dedicated machine or on VirtualPC or VMWare virtual machine). - It is true that making ICS fully D2 to D2005 compatible is really a LOT of work (again thank you François for making ICS) and under certain circumstances it would make new feature not as optimized as they could be because of D2-D4 limitations. But : Why not do like Apache, PHP or MySQL ? maintain a bugfixed "full D2-D2005 compatible version", and create a separate one that would work starting with D5 (or D6) with all new features and newer Delphi code/features optimizations ? For developpers having D2-D4 applications to maintain, this should not be a problem as they usually just have to do bugfixes and not add tons of features on application that may not bring them money anymore. Thoses old applications may not need the new "ICS D5+" functions. And if they really need them, then they will have to adapt code themselves. Personnaly I stay D6 because D7/D2005 don't bring enought improvements (If I new, I would have stay with D5), is too much upgrade priced (whenever I can make customers pay for it), and worst, borland don't even fix existing versions correctly so why pay for even bigger and more buggy Delphi version. This is just a personnal feeling I wanted to share with you all, of course François will decide and I will not even permit myself to say anything against future of ICS. Appart from that, I am old school programmer (started on ZX81 1KB ram when a byte was a byte and a CPU cycle was important) and I am not for the "if my ugly-badly-unoptimized awfully fast-for-win-money developped application is to slow and too big then buy more CPU/RAM/HD..." but I have to say that at a certain time, continuing supporting too old tehnologies may reduce newest ones. Regards. -- To unsubscribe or change your settings for TWSocket mailing list please goto http://www.elists.org/mailman/listinfo/twsocket Visit our website at http://www.overbyte.be
Re: [twsocket] R: HttpCli: Opinion wanted !
On 17-Aug-05 14:54:56 Francois Piette wrote: [...] >The opinion I want to hear is about the design decisions that need to be done >about the HTTP client component supporting compression. See Maurizio messages >and answer to the technical questions he ask. Don't forget to answer to Set properties vs VFI :-) Bye, Maurizio. -- To unsubscribe or change your settings for TWSocket mailing list please goto http://www.elists.org/mailman/listinfo/twsocket Visit our website at http://www.overbyte.be
Re: [twsocket] R: HttpCli: Opinion wanted !
Hello Angus, >> This is a useless discussion. > Only because you don't agree with your customers, and free helpers. > For your convenience, you want to inconvience others. In fact it is useless, but please keep on reading! Part is that pro and not pro developpers are discussed but not circumstances. For example if I have to maintain an application written in Delphi 1..4 then customar will pay for D7 upgrade. But I'm speaking on a "normal" customar. Some time back I hade a very very large project for the gouverment. I think it is 2..3 year back. And it has to work on windows 3.11 It was for me have it or trow a very lot of money away, and I'm not speaking of commercial references for that project. Large projects for gouverment done feels good for representatives ! So I re-installed Delphi 1 for it :) About Delphi upgrades, I know a lots of amateurs programming for hobby that does lots faster Delphi upgrades than me (BTW: I'm really pro :) because they have more time than me for these things. About the components. I think older compilers may be dropped, at certain moment, only people have to be warned that they dont do a fresh upgrade into their older compilers if they need it. --- Rgds, Wilfried http://www.mestdagh.biz -- To unsubscribe or change your settings for TWSocket mailing list please goto http://www.elists.org/mailman/listinfo/twsocket Visit our website at http://www.overbyte.be
Re: [twsocket] R: HttpCli: Opinion wanted !
> This is a useless discussion. Only because you don't agree with your customers, and free helpers. For your convenience, you want to inconvience others. Angus -- To unsubscribe or change your settings for TWSocket mailing list please goto http://www.elists.org/mailman/listinfo/twsocket Visit our website at http://www.overbyte.be
Re: [twsocket] R: HttpCli: Opinion wanted !
This is a useless discussion. Of course we will have almost every one using D7 or D2005 say he don't need another compiler. They don't care about the other users. I do care. That made the strength of ICS for years. I don't want to discuss that anymore because it's just polemic. I already lost too much time with that. The opinion I want to hear is about the design decisions that need to be done about the HTTP client component supporting compression. See Maurizio messages and answer to the technical questions he ask. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.overbyte.be -- To unsubscribe or change your settings for TWSocket mailing list please goto http://www.elists.org/mailman/listinfo/twsocket Visit our website at http://www.overbyte.be
[twsocket] R: HttpCli: Opinion wanted !
I have to agree, I will like to see a .Net version soon also for the Midware :) Paolo L. Message scanned by Norton AntiVirus 2005 -Messaggio originale- Da: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Per conto di Fastream Technologies Inviato: mercoledì 17 agosto 2005 15.06 A: ICS support mailing Oggetto: Re: [twsocket] HttpCli: Opinion wanted ! This time I second Agnus. No professional coder would use a compiler from last decade and if an amateur wants to do so, he/she should be happy with an old ICS release version. There needs to be a time that we look further into the future and leave the past in the past. Othwerwise we would be stuck in the past. Best Regards, SubZ - Original Message - From: "Angus Robertson - Magenta Systems Ltd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 4:00 PM Subject: Re: [twsocket] HttpCli: Opinion wanted ! >> Because there are still a lot of people using old compilers, >> frequently to maintain existing >> applications but also to develop new ones, even with Delphi 1 which is >> used for embedded systems using Win 3.x !! > > OK, can all those in this list using Delphi compilers earlier than > Delphi 5, Delphi 1 in particular, please respond to this message and > indicate why you want to continue using a six to 10 year old compiler > with the latest bugs and features for ICS? > > I'm really referring to professional developers here, not hobiests who > may be unable to afford a new version. > > If there are fewer than say a dozen positive responses, I'd suggest we > finally accept this argument for complicating and stalling development > of ICS by supporting obsolete compilers is finally put to rest. > > We can not stay stuck in past, we need to look to the future. > > Angus > > -- > To unsubscribe or change your settings for TWSocket mailing list > please goto http://www.elists.org/mailman/listinfo/twsocket > Visit our website at http://www.overbyte.be -- To unsubscribe or change your settings for TWSocket mailing list please goto http://www.elists.org/mailman/listinfo/twsocket Visit our website at http://www.overbyte.be -- To unsubscribe or change your settings for TWSocket mailing list please goto http://www.elists.org/mailman/listinfo/twsocket Visit our website at http://www.overbyte.be
