Re: [U2] mvToolbox--digression about why anyone would want telnet-based tools
--- On Sat, 18/2/12, Symeon Breen syme...@gmail.com wrote: I seriously believe most MV people are not programming in ED on telnet (or ssh) and that they are using some form of GUI editor. With respect, I disagree. I work alongside dozens of UniVerse developers and I am in a very small minority who use a GUI based editor. The vast majority use our own custom editor, which runs on a ubiquitous 'green-screen' terminal emulator. Even those like myself who favour editing in a GUI still do all other tasks through command line. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] mvToolbox--digression about why anyone would want telnet-based tools
Long live telnetwe use a full screen editor for Universe, written in house of course, being used by about 80 developers as I type. Les Sherlock Hewkin Senior Project Manager Finance Systems, I.T. Department T 01604 592289, M 07917 856195 -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Richard Sent: 20 February 2012 13:41 To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] mvToolbox--digression about why anyone would want telnet-based tools --- On Sat, 18/2/12, Symeon Breen syme...@gmail.com wrote: I seriously believe most MV people are not programming in ED on telnet (or ssh) and that they are using some form of GUI editor. With respect, I disagree. I work alongside dozens of UniVerse developers and I am in a very small minority who use a GUI based editor. The vast majority use our own custom editor, which runs on a ubiquitous 'green-screen' terminal emulator. Even those like myself who favour editing in a GUI still do all other tasks through command line. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users html head meta http-equiv=Content-type content=text/html; charset=UTF-8 /head body P style=MARGIN-TOP: 0pt; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0ptSPAN style=FONT-SIZE: 8.2pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'This e-mail and any attachments are confidential and intended solely for the use of the addressee only. If you have received this message in error, you must not copy, distribute or disclose the contents; please notify the sender immediately and delete the message. /SPAN/P P style=MARGIN-TOP: 0pt; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0ptSPAN style=FONT-SIZE: 8.2pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'This message is attributed to the sender and may not necessarily reflect the view of Travis Perkins plc or its subsidiaries (Travis Perkins). Agreements binding Travis Perkins may not be concluded by means of e-mail communication. /SPAN/P P style=MARGIN-TOP: 0pt; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0ptSPAN style=FONT-SIZE: 8.2pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'E-mail transmissions are not secure and Travis Perkins accepts no responsibility for changes made to this message after it was sent. Whilst steps have been taken to ensure that this message is virus free, Travis Perkins accepts no liability for infection and recommends that you scan this e-mail and any attachments. /SPAN/P P style=MARGIN-TOP: 0pt; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0ptSPAN style=FONT-SIZE: 8.2pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'Part of Travis Perkins plc. Registered Office: Lodge Way House, Lodge Way, Harlestone Road, Northampton, NN5 7UG. /SPAN/P /BODY /HTML ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
[U2] Rocket technote UDT-4359 - udadmin
Can someone confirm/clarify this statement from this recent technote: UniAdmin and the Extensible Administration Tool (XAdmin) will start udadmin_server when a user connects to a UniData server and will stop it when the user disconnects. However, it is possible to spawn the udadmin_server outside of UniAdmin and XAdmin. I thought I understood what udamin did, but now I'm not so sure. Are the only legitimate calls to udamin made via UniAdmin and XAdmin? TIA, Brad. U.S. BANCORP made the following annotations - Electronic Privacy Notice. This e-mail, and any attachments, contains information that is, or may be, covered by electronic communications privacy laws, and is also confidential and proprietary in nature. If you are not the intended recipient, please be advised that you are legally prohibited from retaining, using, copying, distributing, or otherwise disclosing this information in any manner. Instead, please reply to the sender that you have received this communication in error, and then immediately delete it. Thank you in advance for your cooperation. - ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] mvToolbox--digression about why anyone would want telnet-based tools
Share ? -Original Message- From: Les Hewkin les.hew...@travisperkins.co.uk To: 'U2 Users List' u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Mon, Feb 20, 2012 6:04 am Subject: Re: [U2] mvToolbox--digression about why anyone would want telnet-based tools Long live telnetwe use a full screen editor for Universe, written in house of course, being used by about 80 developers as I type. Les Sherlock Hewkin Senior Project Manager Finance Systems, I.T. Department T 01604 592289, M 07917 856195 -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Richard Sent: 20 February 2012 13:41 To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] mvToolbox--digression about why anyone would want telnet-based tools --- On Sat, 18/2/12, Symeon Breen syme...@gmail.com wrote: I seriously believe most MV people are not programming in ED on telnet (or ssh) and that they are using some form of GUI editor. With respect, I disagree. I work alongside dozens of UniVerse developers and I am in a very small minority who use a GUI based editor. The vast majority use our own custom editor, which runs on a ubiquitous 'green-screen' terminal emulator. Even those like myself who favour editing in a GUI still do all other tasks through command line. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users html head meta http-equiv=Content-type content=text/html; charset=UTF-8 /head body P style=MARGIN-TOP: 0pt; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0ptSPAN style=FONT-SIZE: 8.2pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'This e-mail and any attachments are confidential and intended solely for the use of the addressee only. If you have received this message in error, you must not copy, distribute or disclose the contents; please notify the sender immediately and delete the message. /SPAN/P P style=MARGIN-TOP: 0pt; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0ptSPAN style=FONT-SIZE: 8.2pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'This message is attributed to the sender and may not necessarily reflect the view of Travis Perkins plc or its subsidiaries (Travis Perkins). Agreements binding Travis Perkins may not be concluded by means of e-mail communication. /SPAN/P P style=MARGIN-TOP: 0pt; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0ptSPAN style=FONT-SIZE: 8.2pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'E-mail transmissions are not secure and Travis Perkins accepts no responsibility for changes made to this message after it was sent. Whilst steps have been taken to ensure that this message is virus free, Travis Perkins accepts no liability for infection and recommends that you scan this e-mail and any attachments. /SPAN/P P style=MARGIN-TOP: 0pt; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0ptSPAN style=FONT-SIZE: 8.2pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'Part of Travis Perkins plc. Registered Office: Lodge Way House, Lodge Way, Harlestone Road, Northampton, NN5 7UG. /SPAN/P /BODY /HTML ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] mvToolbox--digression about why anyone would want telnet-based tools
Share ? Accuterm Wed would be alternative. Good price great service. George -Original Message- From: Wjhonson Sent: Monday, February 20, 2012 1:15 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] mvToolbox--digression about why anyone would want telnet-based tools Share ? -Original Message- From: Les Hewkin les.hew...@travisperkins.co.uk To: 'U2 Users List' u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Mon, Feb 20, 2012 6:04 am Subject: Re: [U2] mvToolbox--digression about why anyone would want telnet-based tools Long live telnetwe use a full screen editor for Universe, written in house of course, being used by about 80 developers as I type. Les Sherlock Hewkin Senior Project Manager Finance Systems, I.T. Department T 01604 592289, M 07917 856195 -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Richard Sent: 20 February 2012 13:41 To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] mvToolbox--digression about why anyone would want telnet-based tools --- On Sat, 18/2/12, Symeon Breen syme...@gmail.com wrote: I seriously believe most MV people are not programming in ED on telnet (or ssh) and that they are using some form of GUI editor. With respect, I disagree. I work alongside dozens of UniVerse developers and I am in a very small minority who use a GUI based editor. The vast majority use our own custom editor, which runs on a ubiquitous 'green-screen' terminal emulator. Even those like myself who favour editing in a GUI still do all other tasks through command line. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users html head meta http-equiv=Content-type content=text/html; charset=UTF-8 /head body P style=MARGIN-TOP: 0pt; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0ptSPAN style=FONT-SIZE: 8.2pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'This e-mail and any attachments are confidential and intended solely for the use of the addressee only. If you have received this message in error, you must not copy, distribute or disclose the contents; please notify the sender immediately and delete the message. /SPAN/P P style=MARGIN-TOP: 0pt; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0ptSPAN style=FONT-SIZE: 8.2pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'This message is attributed to the sender and may not necessarily reflect the view of Travis Perkins plc or its subsidiaries (Travis Perkins). Agreements binding Travis Perkins may not be concluded by means of e-mail communication. /SPAN/P P style=MARGIN-TOP: 0pt; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0ptSPAN style=FONT-SIZE: 8.2pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'E-mail transmissions are not secure and Travis Perkins accepts no responsibility for changes made to this message after it was sent. Whilst steps have been taken to ensure that this message is virus free, Travis Perkins accepts no liability for infection and recommends that you scan this e-mail and any attachments. /SPAN/P P style=MARGIN-TOP: 0pt; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0ptSPAN style=FONT-SIZE: 8.2pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'Part of Travis Perkins plc. Registered Office: Lodge Way House, Lodge Way, Harlestone Road, Northampton, NN5 7UG. /SPAN/P /BODY /HTML ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] mvToolbox--digression about why anyone would want telnet-based tools
WED is not an inplace full screen editor. It's merely a hyped up Notepad. Not the same thing. You cannot use WED to say Oh by the way, go grab the cross reference files and show me every OTHER program that also reads the customer file. You could however do that, with an inplace full screen editor -Original Message- From: George R Smith geo...@grsmith.arcoxmail.com To: u2-users u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Mon, Feb 20, 2012 11:43 am Subject: Re: [U2] mvToolbox--digression about why anyone would want telnet-based tools Share ? Accuterm Wed would be alternative. Good price great service. George -Original Message- From: Wjhonson Sent: Monday, February 20, 2012 1:15 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] mvToolbox--digression about why anyone would want telnet-based tools Share ? -Original Message- From: Les Hewkin les.hew...@travisperkins.co.uk To: 'U2 Users List' u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Mon, Feb 20, 2012 6:04 am Subject: Re: [U2] mvToolbox--digression about why anyone would want telnet-based tools Long live telnetwe use a full screen editor for Universe, written in house of course, being used by about 80 developers as I type. Les Sherlock Hewkin Senior Project Manager Finance Systems, I.T. Department T 01604 592289, M 07917 856195 -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Richard Sent: 20 February 2012 13:41 To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] mvToolbox--digression about why anyone would want telnet-based tools --- On Sat, 18/2/12, Symeon Breen syme...@gmail.com wrote: I seriously believe most MV people are not programming in ED on telnet (or ssh) and that they are using some form of GUI editor. With respect, I disagree. I work alongside dozens of UniVerse developers and I am in a very small minority who use a GUI based editor. The vast majority use our own custom editor, which runs on a ubiquitous 'green-screen' terminal emulator. Even those like myself who favour editing in a GUI still do all other tasks through command line. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users html head meta http-equiv=Content-type content=text/html; charset=UTF-8 /head body P style=MARGIN-TOP: 0pt; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0ptSPAN style=FONT-SIZE: 8.2pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'This e-mail and any attachments are confidential and intended solely for the use of the addressee only. If you have received this message in error, you must not copy, distribute or disclose the contents; please notify the sender immediately and delete the message. /SPAN/P P style=MARGIN-TOP: 0pt; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0ptSPAN style=FONT-SIZE: 8.2pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'This message is attributed to the sender and may not necessarily reflect the view of Travis Perkins plc or its subsidiaries (Travis Perkins). Agreements binding Travis Perkins may not be concluded by means of e-mail communication. /SPAN/P P style=MARGIN-TOP: 0pt; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0ptSPAN style=FONT-SIZE: 8.2pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'E-mail transmissions are not secure and Travis Perkins accepts no responsibility for changes made to this message after it was sent. Whilst steps have been taken to ensure that this message is virus free, Travis Perkins accepts no liability for infection and recommends that you scan this e-mail and any attachments. /SPAN/P P style=MARGIN-TOP: 0pt; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0ptSPAN style=FONT-SIZE: 8.2pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'Part of Travis Perkins plc. Registered Office: Lodge Way House, Lodge Way, Harlestone Road, Northampton, NN5 7UG. /SPAN/P /BODY /HTML ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] mvToolbox--digression about why anyone would want telnet-based tools
Only know do I understand. Thanks George -Original Message- From: Wjhonson Sent: Monday, February 20, 2012 1:47 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] mvToolbox--digression about why anyone would want telnet-based tools WED is not an inplace full screen editor. It's merely a hyped up Notepad. Not the same thing. You cannot use WED to say Oh by the way, go grab the cross reference files and show me every OTHER program that also reads the customer file. You could however do that, with an inplace full screen editor -Original Message- From: George R Smith geo...@grsmith.arcoxmail.com To: u2-users u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Mon, Feb 20, 2012 11:43 am Subject: Re: [U2] mvToolbox--digression about why anyone would want telnet-based tools Share ? Accuterm Wed would be alternative. Good price great service. George -Original Message- From: Wjhonson Sent: Monday, February 20, 2012 1:15 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] mvToolbox--digression about why anyone would want telnet-based tools Share ? -Original Message- From: Les Hewkin les.hew...@travisperkins.co.uk To: 'U2 Users List' u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Mon, Feb 20, 2012 6:04 am Subject: Re: [U2] mvToolbox--digression about why anyone would want telnet-based tools Long live telnetwe use a full screen editor for Universe, written in house of course, being used by about 80 developers as I type. Les Sherlock Hewkin Senior Project Manager Finance Systems, I.T. Department T 01604 592289, M 07917 856195 -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Richard Sent: 20 February 2012 13:41 To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] mvToolbox--digression about why anyone would want telnet-based tools --- On Sat, 18/2/12, Symeon Breen syme...@gmail.com wrote: I seriously believe most MV people are not programming in ED on telnet (or ssh) and that they are using some form of GUI editor. With respect, I disagree. I work alongside dozens of UniVerse developers and I am in a very small minority who use a GUI based editor. The vast majority use our own custom editor, which runs on a ubiquitous 'green-screen' terminal emulator. Even those like myself who favour editing in a GUI still do all other tasks through command line. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users html head meta http-equiv=Content-type content=text/html; charset=UTF-8 /head body P style=MARGIN-TOP: 0pt; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0ptSPAN style=FONT-SIZE: 8.2pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'This e-mail and any attachments are confidential and intended solely for the use of the addressee only. If you have received this message in error, you must not copy, distribute or disclose the contents; please notify the sender immediately and delete the message. /SPAN/P P style=MARGIN-TOP: 0pt; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0ptSPAN style=FONT-SIZE: 8.2pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'This message is attributed to the sender and may not necessarily reflect the view of Travis Perkins plc or its subsidiaries (Travis Perkins). Agreements binding Travis Perkins may not be concluded by means of e-mail communication. /SPAN/P P style=MARGIN-TOP: 0pt; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0ptSPAN style=FONT-SIZE: 8.2pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'E-mail transmissions are not secure and Travis Perkins accepts no responsibility for changes made to this message after it was sent. Whilst steps have been taken to ensure that this message is virus free, Travis Perkins accepts no liability for infection and recommends that you scan this e-mail and any attachments. /SPAN/P P style=MARGIN-TOP: 0pt; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0ptSPAN style=FONT-SIZE: 8.2pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'MS Sans Serif'Part of Travis Perkins plc. Registered Office: Lodge Way House, Lodge Way, Harlestone Road, Northampton, NN5 7UG. /SPAN/P /BODY /HTML ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
[U2] [Announcement] Spectrum 2012 early bird discount ends Feb 21st
Just a reminder, the Early Bird Discount for Spectrum 2012 in Florida, ends tomorrow (Feb 21st). -- Nathan Rector International Spectrum, Inc http://www.intl-spectrum.com Phone: 720-259-1356 Fax: 603-250-0664 Twitter: http://twitter.com/intlspectrum Facebook: http://intl-spectrum.com/facebook ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
[U2] Editors and environments we like to use--digression from talking about mvToolBox.
I know several older programmers who use ED exclusively. It's incredible how quickly they can jump into code and make complex changes with just a few keystrokes. In the course of the day I use ED, a few full-screen non-gui editors (jed/vi/maybe JET or SED sometimes) and some gui editors (WED, Cache Studo and sometimes Wordpad). Notably, the gui editors are mostly launched from an mv command line though On Feb 20, 2012, at 8:40 AM, Richard wrote: --- On Sat, 18/2/12, Symeon Breen syme...@gmail.com wrote: I seriously believe most MV people are not programming in ED on telnet (or ssh) and that they are using some form of GUI editor. With respect, I disagree. I work alongside dozens of UniVerse developers and I am in a very small minority who use a GUI based editor. The vast majority use our own custom editor, which runs on a ubiquitous 'green-screen' terminal emulator. Even those like myself who favour editing in a GUI still do all other tasks through command line. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Editors and environments we like to use--digression from talking about mvToolBox.
How would you do this in a GUI Editor I can use the TCL Editor in universe to change a variable name in a 1,000 programs in a program file by the following process. ED ED PROG.CHANGE 2: C/OLD.ATTRIBUTE.NAME/NEW.ATTRIBUTE.NAME/G1000 3: FI 4: LOOP 2 1000 ED BP * .X PROG.CHANGE There are pros and cons of both environments David Jordan ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] mvToolbox--digression about why anyone would wanttelnet-based tools
From: Wjhonson WED is not an inplace full screen editor. It's merely a hyped up Notepad. Not the same thing. You cannot use WED to say Oh by the way, go grab the cross reference files and show me every OTHER program that also reads the customer file. You could however do that, with an inplace full screen editor Keeping this on-topic, that is one of the thousands of features in mvToolbox. The above functionality is something all of us wish we had when we're sitting in some editor X and we know the pain we face to get the information we need to just write that next line of code. My message here is that there is a solution to those problems. We can debate the aesthetics of the character UI (CUI) vs GUI, the relative productivity gains and losses, and the perceptions people have when they see one or the other. But when it comes down to it, we just need to get a job of coding business apps done. I would rather have the tools to do what I need, and debate the UI later, than to not have the functionality and therefore nothing to debate. (Doug, please don't jump in here, we've seen your ad in every other posting, this is NOT about YOUR software. Have a little respect.) For anyone who does take a look, learning mvToolbox can be a painful process. I constantly struggle to decide whether I should take the time to do something myself (like look for file usage) or whether I should learn how mvToolbox does it. I face the same problem with all developer tools. But the reward of learning it once is that development is then streamlined from that point forward. Bro Cope (author) has opened the software for free (limited time?) usage to get the software in the hands of people in order to drum up some demand for improvements. In the spirit of collaboration for free but not open source software, I've offered to help with documentation, UI, website, etc, in an attempt to help minimize some of that pain. (So far I've just written some docs, nothing else yet. I'll try to help with the website too. Eugene Perry has been working with Bro for years, as his own time permits, in the same spirit of making a contribution for a common cause.) The product is evolving. It might evolve to add a GUI (thus giving people both options), eliminating the need for us to discuss the CUI vs GUI arguments, and allowing us to focus on functionality. I encourage people to give it a shot, and focus on functionality, with the understanding that the UI _may_ evolve and that the overall product experience _will_ evolve as more people use it. T ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Editors and environments we like to use
I just read this article on tools and the concept of a backplane as an IDE. Read the article and the linked articles inside it to see that this discussion about X v Y is really pointless. :) http://www.johndcook.com/blog/2012/02/17/whats-your-backplane/ David, I think most common IDEs/editors I can think of will do this type of universal search and replace across selected sets of files or entire directory trees. Most of them allow regex too which ED does not. Cheers, Stuart -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of David Jordan Sent: Tuesday, 21 February 2012 09:41 To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Editors and environments we like to use--digression from talking about mvToolBox. How would you do this in a GUI Editor I can use the TCL Editor in universe to change a variable name in a 1,000 programs in a program file by the following process. ED ED PROG.CHANGE 2: C/OLD.ATTRIBUTE.NAME/NEW.ATTRIBUTE.NAME/G1000 3: FI 4: LOOP 2 1000 ED BP * .X PROG.CHANGE There are pros and cons of both environments David Jordan ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Editors and environments we like to use--digression from talking about mvToolBox.
Sure that's possible, but I can't recall ever needing to change a reference in every program which exists. Why would you need such a thing -Original Message- From: David Jordan da...@dacono.com.au To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Mon, Feb 20, 2012 2:40 pm Subject: Re: [U2] Editors and environments we like to use--digression from talking about mvToolBox. How would you do this in a GUI Editor I can use the TCL Editor in universe to change a variable name in a 1,000 programs in a program file by the following process. ED ED PROG.CHANGE 2: C/OLD.ATTRIBUTE.NAME/NEW.ATTRIBUTE.NAME/G1000 3: FI 4: LOOP 2 1000 ED BP * .X PROG.CHANGE There are pros and cons of both environments David Jordan ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Editors and environments we like to use
Whilst these editors can do it to a file in the directory, they are bypassing the record locking within UniVerse. I am playing devil's advocate, that whilst there are some things easier to do in a Gui, there are some things easier to do in a green screen editor. I jump back and forward between GUI editors and green screen editors all the time to take advantage of their different functionality. Regards David Jordan -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Boydell, Stuart Sent: Tuesday, 21 February 2012 10:02 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Editors and environments we like to use I just read this article on tools and the concept of a backplane as an IDE. Read the article and the linked articles inside it to see that this discussion about X v Y is really pointless. :) http://www.johndcook.com/blog/2012/02/17/whats-your-backplane/ David, I think most common IDEs/editors I can think of will do this type of universal search and replace across selected sets of files or entire directory trees. Most of them allow regex too which ED does not. Cheers, Stuart ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Editors and environments we like to use
If I would need to change a variable in a hundreds of programs, usually required when an INCLUDE variable changes, I would use the Search and Replace. I would hope the variable is unique enough that I would still like to see every line it is reference before starting a massive change. Since my source is local via my version control project in SVN, the locking component has really no value. I would then copy my changes from my local file to the database or I would check them into SVN depending on where I am in the change process. Regards, Doug www.u2logic.com/XLr8_Editor.html On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 5:21 PM, David Jordan da...@dacono.com.au wrote: Whilst these editors can do it to a file in the directory, they are bypassing the record locking within UniVerse. I am playing devil's advocate, that whilst there are some things easier to do in a Gui, there are some things easier to do in a green screen editor. I jump back and forward between GUI editors and green screen editors all the time to take advantage of their different functionality. Regards David Jordan -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Boydell, Stuart Sent: Tuesday, 21 February 2012 10:02 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Editors and environments we like to use I just read this article on tools and the concept of a backplane as an IDE. Read the article and the linked articles inside it to see that this discussion about X v Y is really pointless. :) http://www.johndcook.com/blog/2012/02/17/whats-your-backplane/ David, I think most common IDEs/editors I can think of will do this type of universal search and replace across selected sets of files or entire directory trees. Most of them allow regex too which ED does not. Cheers, Stuart ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] mvToolbox--digression about why anyone would wanttelnet-based tools
Just to throw my hat in the ring, I agree that a GUI is more desirable in this day and age. However, I've worked with Bro's mvToolbox for the last 6-7 years and it's been a godsend, shaving days and weeks from my efforts. I still keep a copy and recently reached out to Bro to bring it into my place of work. It does have its learning curve, largely because it is so feature-rich. Let's not forget the objective of the tookbox is simplifying MV development cross-platform (Bro told me a few weeks ago he's working on a jbase port). With its integration into so many telnet clients, mouse clicks and all, I think it does a very good job meeting it's objective. Do I wish it supported a true GUI front end? Sure. Does it get the job done without it? Sure does. My 30 cents. Regards, LeRoy Sent from my iPhone 4 On Feb 20, 2012, at 6:00 PM, Tony Gravagno 3xk547...@sneakemail.com wrote: From: Wjhonson WED is not an inplace full screen editor. It's merely a hyped up Notepad. Not the same thing. You cannot use WED to say Oh by the way, go grab the cross reference files and show me every OTHER program that also reads the customer file. You could however do that, with an inplace full screen editor Keeping this on-topic, that is one of the thousands of features in mvToolbox. The above functionality is something all of us wish we had when we're sitting in some editor X and we know the pain we face to get the information we need to just write that next line of code. My message here is that there is a solution to those problems. We can debate the aesthetics of the character UI (CUI) vs GUI, the relative productivity gains and losses, and the perceptions people have when they see one or the other. But when it comes down to it, we just need to get a job of coding business apps done. I would rather have the tools to do what I need, and debate the UI later, than to not have the functionality and therefore nothing to debate. (Doug, please don't jump in here, we've seen your ad in every other posting, this is NOT about YOUR software. Have a little respect.) For anyone who does take a look, learning mvToolbox can be a painful process. I constantly struggle to decide whether I should take the time to do something myself (like look for file usage) or whether I should learn how mvToolbox does it. I face the same problem with all developer tools. But the reward of learning it once is that development is then streamlined from that point forward. Bro Cope (author) has opened the software for free (limited time?) usage to get the software in the hands of people in order to drum up some demand for improvements. In the spirit of collaboration for free but not open source software, I've offered to help with documentation, UI, website, etc, in an attempt to help minimize some of that pain. (So far I've just written some docs, nothing else yet. I'll try to help with the website too. Eugene Perry has been working with Bro for years, as his own time permits, in the same spirit of making a contribution for a common cause.) The product is evolving. It might evolve to add a GUI (thus giving people both options), eliminating the need for us to discuss the CUI vs GUI arguments, and allowing us to focus on functionality. I encourage people to give it a shot, and focus on functionality, with the understanding that the UI _may_ evolve and that the overall product experience _will_ evolve as more people use it. T ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] mvToolbox--digression about why anyone wouldwanttelnet-based tools
I think the proof of the pudding is that you're not going to find ONE vendor designing *and advertising* a 'new and improved' command line editor, or using the words and with our JAVA implementation you get the NEW command line editor! Like it or not the line editor is headed for the bit bucket along with Yars Revenge and DigDug. As far as the value of this thread goes I'd like to offer the following advice: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MDQWuplMvAcontext=C3b2876fADOEgsToPDskLsIuA HwAcWrSLimnCZh9s1 Press the Stop Button -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of LeRoy Dreyfuss Sent: Monday, February 20, 2012 5:45 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] mvToolbox--digression about why anyone wouldwanttelnet-based tools Just to throw my hat in the ring, I agree that a GUI is more desirable in this day and age. However, I've worked with Bro's mvToolbox for the last 6-7 years and it's been a godsend, shaving days and weeks from my efforts. I still keep a copy and recently reached out to Bro to bring it into my place of work. It does have its learning curve, largely because it is so feature-rich. Let's not forget the objective of the tookbox is simplifying MV development cross-platform (Bro told me a few weeks ago he's working on a jbase port). With its integration into so many telnet clients, mouse clicks and all, I think it does a very good job meeting it's objective. Do I wish it supported a true GUI front end? Sure. Does it get the job done without it? Sure does. My 30 cents. Regards, LeRoy Sent from my iPhone 4 snip ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] mvToolbox--digression about why anyone wouldwanttelnet-based tools
As long as Rocket constantly refuses to include something better than the command line editor. You will always have people who do not shell out for anything else. I have no idea what yazoo at IBM/Rocket decided to junk JET when they had no suitable replacement. -Original Message- From: Allen E. Elwood aelw...@socal.rr.com To: 'U2 Users List' u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Mon, Feb 20, 2012 6:19 pm Subject: Re: [U2] mvToolbox--digression about why anyone wouldwanttelnet-based tools I think the proof of the pudding is that you're not going to find ONE vendor designing *and advertising* a 'new and improved' command line editor, or using the words and with our JAVA implementation you get the NEW command line editor! Like it or not the line editor is headed for the bit bucket along with Yars Revenge and DigDug. As far as the value of this thread goes I'd like to offer the following advice: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MDQWuplMvAcontext=C3b2876fADOEgsToPDskLsIuA HwAcWrSLimnCZh9s1 Press the Stop Button -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of LeRoy Dreyfuss Sent: Monday, February 20, 2012 5:45 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] mvToolbox--digression about why anyone wouldwanttelnet-based tools Just to throw my hat in the ring, I agree that a GUI is more desirable in this day and age. However, I've worked with Bro's mvToolbox for the last 6-7 years and it's been a godsend, shaving days and weeks from my efforts. I still keep a copy and recently reached out to Bro to bring it into my place of work. It does have its learning curve, largely because it is so feature-rich. Let's not forget the objective of the tookbox is simplifying MV development cross-platform (Bro told me a few weeks ago he's working on a jbase port). With its integration into so many telnet clients, mouse clicks and all, I think it does a very good job meeting it's objective. Do I wish it supported a true GUI front end? Sure. Does it get the job done without it? Sure does. My 30 cents. Regards, LeRoy Sent from my iPhone 4 snip ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
