RE: [U2] CDBMA .org

2004-09-17 Thread Tony Gravagno
Actually Dave wrote:
 http://designbais.com/ a step in the right direction to get a
 browser based screen interface to U2. Skipping the layers to get it
 to happen. And it's priced at $1000. 

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
 Does this imply from an external user? Or are you just saying a web
 browser is presented to internal users?
 Will

Users on an intranet or over the web access a web server from a browser.
From there a connection is made to the MV DBMS application.  It's standard 3
tier architecture.

By layers I believe Dave means Pick people can get from Pick BASIC to GUI
without having to learn any other technologies usually found in the layers
between and in the MV server and the client.

Tony
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RE: [U2] Universe Debugger - compile from different path with run-timeissue

2004-09-17 Thread Adrian Matthews
At a previous company that developed commercial software we always
compiled release code with the -I and -T options to suppress RAID and
remove symbol tables.

I can't remember exactly why we did it that way, probably to reduce
object and shared memory size or maybe just to confuse the in-house
programmers and get more consultancy work!

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run-timeissue

In a message dated 9/16/2004 8:06:04 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


 Yes, you are right, but as Spock would say, it's illogical.
 If the VOC pointer points to the cataloged object,
 Why would the cataloged object, need to point to itself?

The reason is so the debugger can know intrinsicly exactly where the
SOURCE 
is so it can pull up the offending line and show it to you.  See ma the
bug is 
right here!

If the debugger must read the VOC and hope that you catalogued the
program 
globally so the absolute path is present there, or hope you didn't move
the 
object to a new file or hope you didn't fiddle and diddle than all hope
is lost 
and the sky crumbles around us.

Will
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RE: [U2] [UV] [OT] SOX - TCL command logging / auditing

2004-09-17 Thread Adrian Matthews
Probably only a matter of time before we get something similar on this
side of the pond.

I expect Tony B and co are rubbing their hands with glee at the amount
of new pen-pusher jobs they could create to administer it.



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Sent: 17 September 2004 09:22
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [U2] [UV] SOX - TCL command logging / auditing

I guess the only sensible means is COMO.

That way you capture the result of the TCL actions as well as the
actions
themselves.
But even that is pretty pointless: anyone with a manual and TCL access
can
write a simple program or even PROC (shudder) to amend data and then
remove
it so you can't see what was done.

And at what point does that cease to be part of 'the application' ? A
lot of
'applications' I know of can be pretty fluid - if a systems admin person
needs to fix a record from an error condition, is that now an
'unauthorized
change'?  Where does a system restore come in - since that could affect
the
condition of any data added since the backup was taken - is that also an
'unauthorized change' in the act?

Bottom line - I think you're on to a loser with this one.

Brian glad the UK doesn't have the SOX act Leach.

 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Hester
Sent: 17 September 2004 00:10
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [U2] [UV] SOX - TCL command logging / auditing

Buss, Troy (Logitek Systems) wrote:
 Does anyone know if there is a built in facility within universe for 
 logging TCL commands by account or even globally?  Something similar 
 perhaps as the 'errlog' feature.
  
 Of concern by an internal SOX (sarbanes-oxley) audit was that its 
 possible for data to be changed outside of the application.
 Specifically, direct access to data could remain undetected resulting

 in unauthorized changes to financial data, affecting data integrity.

I ended up writing a wrapper for the ED command to keep track of manual
data
changes outside of apps.  I just write whatever record's being edited to
a
type 19 temp file, run the original ED, write the resulting record, then
compare the result to the original via the unix diff command.  I end up
with
log records like this:

 ED AUDIT.MOD CA_82001211+RDA_13372_49928
17 lines long.

: P
0001: 1,3c1,3
0002:  858856
0003:  806669
0004:  52187
0005: ---
0006:  749638
0007:  705153
0008:  44485
0009: 9c9
0010:  7196
0011: ---
0012:  7255
0013: 28c28
0014:  250
0015: ---
0016:  252
0017:

where the ID is file_record+userid_date_time.  Of course if someone
familiar
with UV is up to no good, they can just run the original ED program to
make
their changes - or write a program to do it.  This is more of an audit
trail
to determine what went wrong in the case of an honest mistake than a
safeguard against intentional fraud.

-John
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System  Network Administrator
Momentum Group Inc.
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RE: [U2] [UV] [OT] SOX - TCL command logging / auditing

2004-09-17 Thread Brian Leach
Actually the best solution is:

To employ a new set of users to TANDEM those those using the system and
check up on them.
To employ a new set of users to TANDEM those checking the application users.
To employ a new set of users to TANDEM those checking those checking the
application users.
To employ a new set of users to TANDEM those checking those checking those
checking the applications users
(ad infinitum)

Well it would allow Tony B to get the youth unemployment figures down grin

Brian 

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Sent: 17 September 2004 09:47
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [U2] [UV] [OT] SOX - TCL command logging / auditing

Probably only a matter of time before we get something similar on this side
of the pond.

I expect Tony B and co are rubbing their hands with glee at the amount of
new pen-pusher jobs they could create to administer it.



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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Leach
Sent: 17 September 2004 09:22
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [U2] [UV] SOX - TCL command logging / auditing

I guess the only sensible means is COMO.

That way you capture the result of the TCL actions as well as the actions
themselves.
But even that is pretty pointless: anyone with a manual and TCL access can
write a simple program or even PROC (shudder) to amend data and then remove
it so you can't see what was done.

And at what point does that cease to be part of 'the application' ? A lot of
'applications' I know of can be pretty fluid - if a systems admin person
needs to fix a record from an error condition, is that now an 'unauthorized
change'?  Where does a system restore come in - since that could affect the
condition of any data added since the backup was taken - is that also an
'unauthorized change' in the act?

Bottom line - I think you're on to a loser with this one.

Brian glad the UK doesn't have the SOX act Leach.

 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Hester
Sent: 17 September 2004 00:10
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [U2] [UV] SOX - TCL command logging / auditing

Buss, Troy (Logitek Systems) wrote:
 Does anyone know if there is a built in facility within universe for 
 logging TCL commands by account or even globally?  Something similar 
 perhaps as the 'errlog' feature.
  
 Of concern by an internal SOX (sarbanes-oxley) audit was that its 
 possible for data to be changed outside of the application.
 Specifically, direct access to data could remain undetected resulting

 in unauthorized changes to financial data, affecting data integrity.

I ended up writing a wrapper for the ED command to keep track of manual data
changes outside of apps.  I just write whatever record's being edited to a
type 19 temp file, run the original ED, write the resulting record, then
compare the result to the original via the unix diff command.  I end up with
log records like this:

 ED AUDIT.MOD CA_82001211+RDA_13372_49928
17 lines long.

: P
0001: 1,3c1,3
0002:  858856
0003:  806669
0004:  52187
0005: ---
0006:  749638
0007:  705153
0008:  44485
0009: 9c9
0010:  7196
0011: ---
0012:  7255
0013: 28c28
0014:  250
0015: ---
0016:  252
0017:

where the ID is file_record+userid_date_time.  Of course if someone familiar
with UV is up to no good, they can just run the original ED program to make
their changes - or write a program to do it.  This is more of an audit trail
to determine what went wrong in the case of an honest mistake than a
safeguard against intentional fraud.

-John
--
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System  Network Administrator
Momentum Group Inc.
(949) 833-8886 x623
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RE: [U2] ANNOUNCEMENT: Commercial MultiValue Database released as Open Source under GPL

2004-09-17 Thread Brian Leach
Bjorn,

It certainly is.

Anything that adds to the multivalue model and helps to get it out there
is an aid to U2, as far as I am concerned. 

I've long wanted a free mv database to compete with the likes of Access for
simple, low cost multiuser systems: many shareware and open source
opportunites that would just jump at the possibility of using a small,
powerful, low administration, stable, low overhead model (ie. Multivalue)
rather than having to jump onto the likes of Access or MySQL (as good as
that is) as the only credible options. The base cost of the commercial
packages is too high for those sort of low impact, low cost applictions
(e.g. work diaries, expenses systems etc) in a multi-user environment.

Go QM!

Brian
 

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Subject: [U2] ANNOUNCEMENT: Commercial MultiValue Database released as Open
Source under GPL

Is this the right place for this? As far as I can see, this is just an AD 
nothing to do with U2??

Regards
Bjorn

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Subject: [U2] ANNOUNCEMENT: Commercial MultiValue Database released as Open
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I am pleased to announce the creation of the first operational, production
MultiValue database environment released as Open Source software.

This new package is based on the commercial MultiValue database QM,
developed by Ladybridge Systems in the UK.




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RE: [U2] ANNOUNCEMENT: Commercial MultiValue Database released as Open Source under GPL

2004-09-17 Thread Dennis Bartlett
When I last looked for an alternative position (read job) I found a
possible three positions. Like most multivalue professionals I've
wondered what was to become of the MV world, and my security in the
furure...

Why?

The multivalue world has always been a closed shop, a dying (or at least
never heard of) platform. Sure the universities stateside are big on
using it for adminitration, but how much impact does that have on the
students going through? Zilch. What we hear of is the SQL's, Oracle's,
Java's, and the like...

Now...

We have the possibility of every little script kiddy getting to grips
with the multivalue world, probably for nefarious purposes, no doubt,
but the word will be going out - an open source database that is easy
enough to set up, has immense potential, is freely available.

Wow! Our future does look rosy...

OpenQM! Yes! Yes! Yes!

(oh, yes, I know that
- IBM released UniVerse personal edition - that, personally, was more of
an
  insult, one had to try build systems around a max modulo of 1, and

  imagine trying to explain the concept of modulo in the first place,
and that
- there has been a move by Revelation's OpenInsight to train students at
  reduced or no cost, with the view to creating an awareness, but too
  little, too late, methinks!)

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RE: [U2] Universe Debugger - compile from different path with run-timeissue

2004-09-17 Thread Brian Leach
I presume he's using RAID or hitting the break key.

Brian 

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Subject: RE: [U2] Universe Debugger - compile from different path with
run-timeissue

The more logical question would be, why would you be hitting a DEBUG in an
object only install? 

Leave your debug statements at your development box, and clean up those
unassigned variables. :)

Maybe I'm missing something but I don't understand the ideology behind
putting a debug in a program then moving the object code to another server
and running it there??? 




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[U2] UV Objects disconnecting

2004-09-17 Thread Graham Hansen
We have recently had a problem with a client using UV Objects and
getting 
Disconnected for no apparent reason.  I wondered if anyone has seen a
similar message on any of their apps?

The client is running UV10 on NT4.
The error message is :-

Universe error Unhandled Exception raised at address 0x78001799:
Access violation. Attempted to write to address 0x69755124. Binary
data is processor CONTEXT structure.

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Re: [U2] Universe Debugger - compile from different path with run-time issue

2004-09-17 Thread Lee Bacall
Glenn (and Will and others),
Thanks for the responses. The issue that we are encountering, is
specifically
caused by a program WITH source code that was compiled and cataloged,
calling a subroutine that was compiled and cataloged on another system.

There is NO DEBUG statement in the original source that was stripped and
later installed as object only.

Here's what's going on:
ClientProgram
*all source is here
IF MyValue = 123XYZ THEN
 DEBUG
END
CALL VENDOR.PROGRAM(MyValue,MyResult)  ;! NO SOURCE there
In the code above, if we encounter the DEBUG and continue, we have the
problem

conversely,
ClientProgram
*all source is here
IF NOT(ASSIGNED(MyValue)) THEN
CRT MyValue is not assigned
INPUT X
   END
  CALL VENDOR.PROGRAM(MyValue,MyResult)  ;! NO SOURCE there
will also blow up in the debugger if MyValue is not assigned.

The apparent conditions then are::
If a DEBUG is encountered in the local code with source, and the program
calls a properly cataloged subroutine without source, the debugger goes into
a loop displaying an invalid path message based on the last line found in
the .O object code.

The same thing happens if a passed variable is unassigned and referenced in
the code, the debugger displays the invalid path message.

The code was initially created on a windows system
(c:\YourPath\YourAccount/ProgramFile/ProgramName)

Is it possible to create symbolic links on a Windows system (Win 2000, or
XP, XP-PRO or NT)?
The symbolic link sounds like a viable solution for unix installs.

Thank you

Lee Bacall
http://www.binarystar.com
Phone: +1 (954) 791-8575
Cell:  +1 (954) 655-6581

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Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 9:17 AM
Subject: Re: [U2] Universe Debugger - compile from different path with
run-time issue


 At 05:29 PM 9/16/2004, you wrote:
 My questions, are:
 Is there a way to fix the last line of the OBJECT code?
 
 I don't mind creating a utility to modify the last line of the object,
but I
 suspect that there is at least a CRC or byte count that might throw
things
 off.  We tried to modify the last line in the .O code pointing to the
 original path, using the editor, but that does bizarre things, like
multiple
 paths.

 You are correct.  Editing in a new path would invalidate the stored
checksum.


 or
 
 Is there some feature that can be turned on (or off) to prevent DEBUG
from
 attempting to read the object pointer shown in the last line of the .O
 entry?

 There is no way to prevent DEGUG from reading the pointer from the .O
 entry.  However, since this is a UNIX system, I would create a symbolic
 link of the ORIGINAL path ' c:\binarystar\dist' that actually points to
the
 NEW path 'D:\UV\ACCOUNTS\Binarystar'.   Give that a try and let us know
how
 you fare.

 Glenn
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RE: [U2] UV Objects disconnecting

2004-09-17 Thread Adrian Matthews
You normally get an error like that if trying to access a corrupted
file.

Try checking the files that are being read/written from UniObjects.

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Subject: [U2] UV Objects disconnecting

We have recently had a problem with a client using UV Objects and
getting 
Disconnected for no apparent reason.  I wondered if anyone has seen a
similar message on any of their apps?

The client is running UV10 on NT4.
The error message is :-

Universe error Unhandled Exception raised at address 0x78001799:
Access violation. Attempted to write to address 0x69755124. Binary
data is processor CONTEXT structure.

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[U2] UV: Indexing I-Descriptors

2004-09-17 Thread Karl L Pearson
I just had an experience (UV 10.0.14, AIX 4.3.3) of indexing an
I-Descripted DICT item and than having a very important routine fall
down.

Selecting against the TYPE I-Desc fails after being indexed and doesn't
before.

I seem to remember a bug in this but hoped the bug had been solved...

Here's the I-Desc:
0001 I
0002 TRANS(BOHDR,(ORDER.NUMBER),'5','X')
0003
0004 ORD?TYP
0005 2R
0006 S
0007... DELETED

Another thought: Is there a problem right justifying? Should it be left
(counter-intuitive from my perspective)?

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RE: [U2] [UV] Processing a string

2004-09-17 Thread Glen B
 You're right about url encoding and forms. However, binary transmissions
have nothing to with HTML or XML. Binary has to be transmitted via HTTP
under specific MIME headers, so the web server/application won't try to
parse it as text. My rule of thumb is, don't stick protected characters in
text content, unless you're SURE it won't get parsed incorrectly. A sure bet
that it won't get messed up, is inside a TEXTAREA block for example. Sure,
you can use  and  anywhere you want, provided you don't break the
cardinal rules.

Try this on for size:

HTML
blah/
/HTML

Then try:

HTML
 blah /
/HTML

and finally:

HTML
lt;blah/gt;
/HTML

 According to what I've been reading, all 3 of the above should display the
string blah\. However, option 1 breaks the rules by not having white
space or ! after  to identify that it's not an HTML element. Since
there is a / before the , the parser thinks it's a self-closing tag. In
this case, you will have to encode the string with either hex values or 
representations.

 On a side note, my XML subroutine will only extract tags and content
between matching pairs.  will be included in any wrapping elements,
unless there is a matching /. Self-closing tags are handled differently,
due to their syntax difference. Is it 100% fool proof? No, it's not a
commercially developed application. It does a good job though.

TAG/TAG will return  as the element content for TAG.
TAG//TAG will return TAG as null and delete the  tag pair.
TAG value=1/ wil return TAG = 1.

Glen
http://picksource.com

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 Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 7:34 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [U2] [UV] Processing a string


 Glen,

Per HTTP 1.0-1.2 specifications,  and  are not exempt
 from content
  encoding requirements. They are protected characters and must
 be treated as
  such when sending content. Light bulb going off yet?
 Surely you don't mean the HTTP specifications? (Which the W3 have
 officially closed at HTTP/1.1).

   If you must use a  or  character as a non-elemental string, in
   ANY
   media, transferred through an HTTP 1.0 to 1.2 compliant application
   then you
   MUST URL-encode them as lt;, gt; or their equiv. charset hex values
   as
   %XX;. Comments are an exception to this rule, but you can still have
   problems with general parsing if you put protected characters in the
   comments. I always url-encode my non-alpha-numeric strings.

 You do not have to URL encode these characters at all, otherwise you
 could never send XML or indeed binary data over HTTP (image/jpeg).

 If you are sending a body with a specific content then encoding rules
 will apply, but these are defined by other standards. Perhaps you are
 thinking of the HTML standards for POSTING data using the
 application/x-www-form-urlencoded content type?


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RE: [U2] Universe Debugger - compile from different path with run-time issue

2004-09-17 Thread Adrian Matthews
Why not just recompile and catalog the routines you've moved over? 

If it's because of different release paths then how about compiling with
-I before moving it over. That would stop it falling over.

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lee Bacall
Sent: 17 September 2004 16:23
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Harvey Rodstein
Subject: Re: [U2] Universe Debugger - compile from different path with
run-time issue

Glenn (and Will and others),
Thanks for the responses. The issue that we are encountering, is
specifically
caused by a program WITH source code that was compiled and cataloged,
calling a subroutine that was compiled and cataloged on another system.

There is NO DEBUG statement in the original source that was stripped and
later installed as object only.

Here's what's going on:
ClientProgram
*all source is here
IF MyValue = 123XYZ THEN
 DEBUG
END
CALL VENDOR.PROGRAM(MyValue,MyResult)  ;! NO SOURCE there
In the code above, if we encounter the DEBUG and continue, we have the
problem

conversely,
ClientProgram
*all source is here
IF NOT(ASSIGNED(MyValue)) THEN
CRT MyValue is not assigned
INPUT X
   END
  CALL VENDOR.PROGRAM(MyValue,MyResult)  ;! NO SOURCE there
will also blow up in the debugger if MyValue is not assigned.

The apparent conditions then are::
If a DEBUG is encountered in the local code with source, and the program
calls a properly cataloged subroutine without source, the debugger goes
into
a loop displaying an invalid path message based on the last line found
in
the .O object code.

The same thing happens if a passed variable is unassigned and referenced
in
the code, the debugger displays the invalid path message.

The code was initially created on a windows system
(c:\YourPath\YourAccount/ProgramFile/ProgramName)

Is it possible to create symbolic links on a Windows system (Win 2000,
or
XP, XP-PRO or NT)?
The symbolic link sounds like a viable solution for unix installs.

Thank you

Lee Bacall
http://www.binarystar.com
Phone: +1 (954) 791-8575
Cell:  +1 (954) 655-6581

- Original Message - 
From: Glenn Herbert [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 9:17 AM
Subject: Re: [U2] Universe Debugger - compile from different path with
run-time issue


 At 05:29 PM 9/16/2004, you wrote:
 My questions, are:
 Is there a way to fix the last line of the OBJECT code?
 
 I don't mind creating a utility to modify the last line of the
object,
but I
 suspect that there is at least a CRC or byte count that might throw
things
 off.  We tried to modify the last line in the .O code pointing to the
 original path, using the editor, but that does bizarre things, like
multiple
 paths.

 You are correct.  Editing in a new path would invalidate the stored
checksum.


 or
 
 Is there some feature that can be turned on (or off) to prevent DEBUG
from
 attempting to read the object pointer shown in the last line of the
.O
 entry?

 There is no way to prevent DEGUG from reading the pointer from the .O
 entry.  However, since this is a UNIX system, I would create a
symbolic
 link of the ORIGINAL path ' c:\binarystar\dist' that actually points
to
the
 NEW path 'D:\UV\ACCOUNTS\Binarystar'.   Give that a try and let us
know
how
 you fare.

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RE: [U2] Universe Debugger - compile from different path with run-time issue

2004-09-17 Thread Grant.Boice
Just out of curiosity...

Have you logged out of your system and logged back in?  Sometimes (from my own 
personal experiences) you may not be picking up the latest and greatest catalog.

Just my $0.0001 worth.

Grant W. Boice, Jr.
Systems Administrator
Benchmark Electronics, Inc.

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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Harvey Rodstein
Subject: Re: [U2] Universe Debugger - compile from different path with
run-time issue


Glenn (and Will and others),
Thanks for the responses. The issue that we are encountering, is
specifically
caused by a program WITH source code that was compiled and cataloged,
calling a subroutine that was compiled and cataloged on another system.

There is NO DEBUG statement in the original source that was stripped and
later installed as object only.

Here's what's going on:
ClientProgram
*all source is here
IF MyValue = 123XYZ THEN
 DEBUG
END
CALL VENDOR.PROGRAM(MyValue,MyResult)  ;! NO SOURCE there
In the code above, if we encounter the DEBUG and continue, we have the
problem

conversely,
ClientProgram
*all source is here
IF NOT(ASSIGNED(MyValue)) THEN
CRT MyValue is not assigned
INPUT X
   END
  CALL VENDOR.PROGRAM(MyValue,MyResult)  ;! NO SOURCE there
will also blow up in the debugger if MyValue is not assigned.

The apparent conditions then are::
If a DEBUG is encountered in the local code with source, and the program
calls a properly cataloged subroutine without source, the debugger goes into
a loop displaying an invalid path message based on the last line found in
the .O object code.

The same thing happens if a passed variable is unassigned and referenced in
the code, the debugger displays the invalid path message.

The code was initially created on a windows system
(c:\YourPath\YourAccount/ProgramFile/ProgramName)

Is it possible to create symbolic links on a Windows system (Win 2000, or
XP, XP-PRO or NT)?
The symbolic link sounds like a viable solution for unix installs.

Thank you

Lee Bacall
http://www.binarystar.com
Phone: +1 (954) 791-8575
Cell:  +1 (954) 655-6581

- Original Message - 
From: Glenn Herbert [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 9:17 AM
Subject: Re: [U2] Universe Debugger - compile from different path with
run-time issue


 At 05:29 PM 9/16/2004, you wrote:
 My questions, are:
 Is there a way to fix the last line of the OBJECT code?
 
 I don't mind creating a utility to modify the last line of the object,
but I
 suspect that there is at least a CRC or byte count that might throw
things
 off.  We tried to modify the last line in the .O code pointing to the
 original path, using the editor, but that does bizarre things, like
multiple
 paths.

 You are correct.  Editing in a new path would invalidate the stored
checksum.


 or
 
 Is there some feature that can be turned on (or off) to prevent DEBUG
from
 attempting to read the object pointer shown in the last line of the .O
 entry?

 There is no way to prevent DEGUG from reading the pointer from the .O
 entry.  However, since this is a UNIX system, I would create a symbolic
 link of the ORIGINAL path ' c:\binarystar\dist' that actually points to
the
 NEW path 'D:\UV\ACCOUNTS\Binarystar'.   Give that a try and let us know
how
 you fare.

 Glenn
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RE: [U2] UniDebugger won't let me in.

2004-09-17 Thread Shawn Waldie
-Original Message-
From: Shawn Waldie 
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 1:17 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [U2] UniDebugger won't let me in.


I recently changed my password.  However, only when I attempt to access
my source code using UDB am I denied...so I know it can't be a
permissions problem.  I'll try changing my password.



snip

So it looks like the user/password you are using on the editor side
isn't valid or doesn't have the correct permissions to access the
account.

I did have some trouble with an example project that I got from IBM not
liking certain characters in the password. I haven't seen that type of
trouble with the UniDebugger but at this point it's worth a shot

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RE: [U2] UniDebugger won't let me in.

2004-09-17 Thread Shawn Waldie
Ok, folks, I think I know at least part of the why.

My DBA, who is out today, is testing LDAP to authenticate users logging
into the unix box against the network AD. Because of this, I know longer
have my own /home directory.

To make a connection using uniobjects, is my /home directory required?
If so, is there a work-around.


TIA
Shawn


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Re: [U2] UV: Indexing I-Descriptors

2004-09-17 Thread Karl L Pearson
On Fri, 2004-09-17 at 10:40, Glenn Herbert wrote:
 Exactly how does the SELECT fail?  0 items returned? hang? crash?

Zero items... In this application, one person purchases based on
invoiced items. however, if this particular item isn't working, quotes
go into the purchasing screen, thus causing items only quoted to clients
being ordered. Not a good thing.

The syntax that was failing was standard enough (DICT=TYPE, 3=Quote):

   STMT = 'SELECT BKORD WITH F26 =  AND F10  0'
   STMT := ' AND F01 = N AND TYPE # 3'
   STMT := ' AND F02 = ':WHOUSENO:' BY VENDNAME BY NAME BY @ID'
   EXECUTE STMT CAPTURING NOTHING

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Here's the I-Desc again:

0001 I
0002 TRANS(BOHDR,(ORDER.NUMBER),'5','X')
0003
0004 ORD?TYP
0005 2R
0006 S
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Re: [U2] UV: Indexing I-Descriptors

2004-09-17 Thread Karl L Pearson
On Fri, 2004-09-17 at 11:10, Karjala Koponen wrote:
 Karl,
 
 TRANS I descriptors are dangerous to index.
 This should work fine when field 5 of BOHDR exists when the record you're going from 
 is written and field 5 of BOHDR does not change. 
 I don't know whether the I descriptor will be reviewed/renewed when the record 
 you're going from is rewritten, but I'd want absolute confirmation that the indexing 
 process does that.   I'd be very nervous (assume) that the I descriptor is NOT 
 looked at again at a rewrite. 
 
 The index will certainly be incorrect, however, when the field 5 of BOHDR is changed 
 after the record you're going from was last written because there is no reason for 
 the index to be updated.  Triggers might be used to update the index in such an 
 event but I'd look for help elsewhere on this list for such guidance.

Okay, I'll bite... What you say leads me to believe that a TRANS I-Desc
is dangerous because if the data changes in the remote file, then the
index isn't updated and the data in the local file's index is out-dated,
right?

if that's the case, then doesn't that mean that the local file's index
is holding all the data that is 'TRANS'ed from the other file? Isn't
that NOT how an index works? I thought it just pointed to the attribute
in the other file where it could look that data up.

OR, is it that the stored procedure (TRANS I-Desc) might become
different from the remote file's procedure if that DICT item is
re-written/changed/removed, etc. ???

I'm a bit confused and would like some clarification... Perhaps what
I've understood all these years has been superseded  somehow/where.

KLP

 
 Karjala
 
 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 09/17/2004 11:49:42 AM 
 I just had an experience (UV 10.0.14, AIX 4.3.3) of indexing an
 I-Descripted DICT item and than having a very important routine fall
 down.
 
 Selecting against the TYPE I-Desc fails after being indexed and doesn't
 before.
 
 I seem to remember a bug in this but hoped the bug had been solved...
 
 Here's the I-Desc:
 0001 I
 0002 TRANS(BOHDR,(ORDER.NUMBER),'5','X')
 0003
 0004 ORD?TYP
 0005 2R
 0006 S
 0007... DELETED
 
 Another thought: Is there a problem right justifying? Should it be left
 (counter-intuitive from my perspective)?
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Re: [U2] uv-pe problem

2004-09-17 Thread Jerry Banker
Yes on Pro with SP2. I installed it before SP2 came out so I don't know if I 
would have had trouble afterwards. Haven't done much with it so I don't know 
if it's 100%.

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Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 1:50 AM
Subject: RE: [U2] uv-pe problem


Yes

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Clifton Oliver
Sent: 16 September 2004 21:24
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [U2] uv-pe problem

I ran UVpe on the XP Home edition with no problem. So it isn't strictly
a Home vs Professional Edition issue, I wouldn't think. I never did try
it under SP 2. Anyone out there running the PE version on XP (Home or
Pro) SP2?

-- 

Regards,

Clif

~~~
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On Sep 16, 2004, at 11:49, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Xtreme Pain HOME edition is kludged version that does not allow many
 networking options.  IE.. you can log into a domain. And it is not so
 easy
 to update to the PRO edition from HOME.


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 Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 10:50 AM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: [U2] uv-pe problem

 Running Universe 10.0 - Personal edition on a high-end pc running XP
 home
 SP2.



 Whenever I boot my system or go to services and attempt to start the
 REXEC
 and the TELNET services for universe, either/both stop immediately.
 When
 booting with the services enabled, I get a hard error and then XP
 offers
 to
 send a message back to Microsquish.
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RE: [U2] UniData 6.1 and unirpcd problems.

2004-09-17 Thread Noah Hart
When did you download 6.1?

I tried this morning and it was still unavailable?

Noah Hart
 

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Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 11:42 AM
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Subject: [U2] UniData 6.1 and unirpcd problems.

Sorry for the long post and to keep pestering the group on this, but I'm
still trying to get a UniObjects connection to work.
I was using UniVerse PE, but now I'm trying UniData 6.01, downloaded
from IBM's website.  The product grid says 7.2 is ok.

I put together a clean Linux box with RH7.2 and UniData 6.01, and I'm
once again trying to get a UniObjects connection working.  Previously
(with UniVerse) I was getting a user name provided is incorrect error.

Here's the java code used to connect with:
String user=uduser;
String passwd=udpass;
String host=192.168.0.250;
String acct=/home/uduser;
UniDynArray rec=new UniDynArray();
UniString sRec=new UniString();

try {
  UniSession session=new UniSession();
  session.setUserName(user);
  session.setPassword(passwd);
  session.setHostName(host);
  session.setAccountPath(acct);
  session.connect();

Now I'm getting a asjava.uniobjects.UniSessionException: No RPC
Connection active. message.

So I look to see if port 31438 is open:
# netstat -a | grep tcp
- - - - -
tcp0  0 *:uvrpc *:*
LISTEN
- - - - -
Yup.

So I check to see if UniData is running:
showud
  USER PIDTIME COMMAND
  root 9980:00 /usr/ud60/cleanupd -m 10 -t 20
  root 9930:00 /usr/ud60/sbcs -r
  root 9870:00 /usr/ud60/smm -t 60
  root10130:00 /usr/unishared/unirpc/unirpcd

Sure looks like it.

So I stop unirpcd and restart it in debug mode:
unirpcd -d9  /tmp/rpc.out 21 
then
tail -f /tmp/rpc.out

Output:
RPCPID=2805 - 14:27:10 - uvrpc_debugflag=9 (Debugging level)
RPCPID=2805 - 14:27:10 - In rpc_init()
RPCPID=2805 - 14:27:58 - Accepted socket is from (IP number) 0x200a8c0
RPCPID=2805 - 14:27:58 - In read packet
RPCPID=2805 - 14:27:58 - In read message
RPCPID=2805 - 14:27:58 - before the select
RPCPID=2805 - 14:27:58 - after the select rcnt = 1
RPCPID=2805 - 14:27:58 - before the recv
RPCPID=2805 - 14:27:58 - after the recv nread = 24
RPCPID=2805 - 14:27:58 - Read resp: read of header ok
RPCPID=2805 - 14:27:58 - going to read 16 more chars
RPCPID=2805 - 14:27:58 - before the select
RPCPID=2805 - 14:27:58 - after the select rcnt = 1
RPCPID=2805 - 14:27:58 - before the recv
RPCPID=2805 - 14:27:58 - after the recv nread = 16
RPCPID=2805 - 14:27:58 - message_length=16 VERSION NUMBER  SEQNO
0x6c01  0x   0
MESSAGE LENGTH
0x  16
MESSAGE Key
0x   0
HIGH VERSIONCOMPRESSION ENCRYPTION
0x 20x 00x 0
NW RETURN CODE
0x   0
NUM ARGSPROC NAME LEN(PROC NAME)
0x   1  0()
START OF ARG ARRAY DATA
Element   0 Length  type
0x 500  0x 200
ARG DATA
RPCPID=2805 - 14:27:58 - In unpack packet
RPCPID=2805 - 14:27:58 - length of arg 0 = 5
RPCPID=2805 - 14:27:58 - type of arg 0 = 2
RPCPID=2805 - 14:27:58 - char arg(0x 80bcd50)=defcs
RPCPID=2805 - 14:27:58 - argcount = 1(1: pre-6/10 client,2: SSL client)
RPCPID=2805 - 14:27:58 - looking for service defcs
RPCPID=2805 - 14:27:58 - Found service=defcs
RPCPID=2805 - 14:27:58 - Checking host: *
RPCPID=2805 - 14:27:58 - accept: forking and execing
/home/rlittle/udapi_server
RPCPID=2805 - 14:27:58 - In parent child PID=2811
RPCPID=2811 - 14:27:58 - accept: exec failed errno=2
RPCPID=2811 - 14:27:58 - In send packet
RPCPID=2811 - 14:27:58 - In build packet
RPCPID=2811 - 14:27:58 - thissize set to 32
RPCPID=2811 - 14:27:58 - thissize set to 32
RPCPID=2811 - 14:27:58 - thissize set to 36
RPCPID=2811 - 14:27:58 - message_length=12 VERSION NUMBER  SEQNO
0x   0  0x   0
MESSAGE LENGTH
0x   0
MESSAGE Key
0x   0
HIGH VERSIONCOMPRESSION ENCRYPTION
0x 00x 00x 0
NW RETURN CODE
0x   0
NUM ARGSPROC NAME LEN(PROC NAME)
0x   0  0()
START OF ARG ARRAY DATA
Element   0 Length  type
0x 100  0x   0
ARG DATA
RPCPID=2811 - 14:27:58 - message_length=12 VERSION NUMBER  SEQNO
0x6c02  0x   1
MESSAGE LENGTH
0x  12
MESSAGE Key
0x   0
HIGH VERSIONCOMPRESSION ENCRYPTION
0x 20x 00x 0
NW RETURN CODE
0x   0
NUM ARGSPROC NAME LEN(PROC NAME)
0x   1  0()
START OF ARG ARRAY DATA
Element   0 Length  type
0x 100  0x   0
ARG DATA
VERSION NUMBER  SEQNO
0x 100  0x 26c
MESSAGE LENGTH
0x201326592
MESSAGE Key
0x   0
HIGH VERSIONCOMPRESSION ENCRYPTION
0x 00x 00x 0
NW RETURN CODE
0x   0
NUM ARGSPROC NAME LEN(PROC NAME)
0x   0  100()
START OF ARG ARRAY DATA
Element   0 Length  type
0x 100  0x   0
ARG DATA
RPCPID=2811 - 14:27:58 - In write packet
RPCPID=2805 - 14:27:58 - signal nozombie caught
RPCPID=2805 

Re: [U2] UV: Indexing I-Descriptors

2004-09-17 Thread gerry
yes - the index is evaluated at the time it is created and any time the
record changes.
other than that it is static data that is stored as the 'key' in the index
file itself which then points to the @ID of the indexed file.




- Original Message - 
From: Karl L Pearson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: u2-users [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 02:11 pm
Subject: Re: [U2] UV: Indexing I-Descriptors


 On Fri, 2004-09-17 at 11:10, Karjala Koponen wrote:
  Karl,
 
  TRANS I descriptors are dangerous to index.
  This should work fine when field 5 of BOHDR exists when the record
you're going from is written and field 5 of BOHDR does not change.
  I don't know whether the I descriptor will be reviewed/renewed when the
record you're going from is rewritten, but I'd want absolute confirmation
that the indexing process does that.   I'd be very nervous (assume) that the
I descriptor is NOT looked at again at a rewrite.
 
  The index will certainly be incorrect, however, when the field 5 of
BOHDR is changed after the record you're going from was last written because
there is no reason for the index to be updated.  Triggers might be used to
update the index in such an event but I'd look for help elsewhere on this
list for such guidance.

 Okay, I'll bite... What you say leads me to believe that a TRANS I-Desc
 is dangerous because if the data changes in the remote file, then the
 index isn't updated and the data in the local file's index is out-dated,
 right?

 if that's the case, then doesn't that mean that the local file's index
 is holding all the data that is 'TRANS'ed from the other file? Isn't
 that NOT how an index works? I thought it just pointed to the attribute
 in the other file where it could look that data up.

 OR, is it that the stored procedure (TRANS I-Desc) might become
 different from the remote file's procedure if that DICT item is
 re-written/changed/removed, etc. ???

 I'm a bit confused and would like some clarification... Perhaps what
 I've understood all these years has been superseded  somehow/where.

 KLP

 
  Karjala
 
 
   [EMAIL PROTECTED] 09/17/2004 11:49:42 AM 
  I just had an experience (UV 10.0.14, AIX 4.3.3) of indexing an
  I-Descripted DICT item and than having a very important routine fall
  down.
 
  Selecting against the TYPE I-Desc fails after being indexed and doesn't
  before.
 
  I seem to remember a bug in this but hoped the bug had been solved...
 
  Here's the I-Desc:
  0001 I
  0002 TRANS(BOHDR,(ORDER.NUMBER),'5','X')
  0003
  0004 ORD?TYP
  0005 2R
  0006 S
  0007... DELETED
 
  Another thought: Is there a problem right justifying? Should it be left
  (counter-intuitive from my perspective)?
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 ATS Industrial Supply
 Direct: 801-978-4429
 Toll-free: 888-972-3182 x29
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[U2] Comparison Unidata and Universe

2004-09-17 Thread George Smith
Group,



I was just talking to someone like myself who is trying to decide
between Unidata and Universe.

We are coming from d3 and mvBase and really would like someone
experienced with both to

give and overview of the strengths and weakness of both - that is
Unidata vs Universe.



Thanks to all that reply.



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[U2] universe platform change unix to w32

2004-09-17 Thread hubi ming
dear u2 gurus,
it's my first stay in this group. hope i'm not out of topic. i have a few
hunderds universe accounts 10.0.7 which are running on a aix 5.2 box. my
questions

a)  the aix/rs6000 platform proved to be very stable with universe. can i
expect the same relability on w2k3 servers ?
b) how do i have to convert the accounts from unix to windows (ntfs). any
commands, utilities, tools etc ?

thanx alot
hubert ming
iggi
lucerne
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Re: [U2] UniData 6.1 and unirpcd problems.

2004-09-17 Thread Bob Little
Bob Little wrote:
Sorry for the long post and to keep pestering the group on this, but 
I'm still trying to get a UniObjects connection to work.
I was using UniVerse PE, but now I'm trying UniData 6.01, downloaded 
from IBM's website.  The product grid says 7.2 is ok.

I put together a clean Linux box with RH7.2 and UniData 6.01, and I'm 
once again trying to get a UniObjects connection working.  Previously 
(with UniVerse) I was getting a user name provided is incorrect error. 
I found why I was getting the No RPC connection active message.   
UniData was looking for udapi_server in the wrong directory because I 
screwed up the installation.

But now I'm back to the asjava.uniobjects.UniSessionException: The user 
name provided is incorrect issue again.

Back to the drawing board.
Bob Little
Graphik Dimensions, Ltd.
High Point, NC
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RE: [U2] UniData 6.1 and unirpcd problems.

2004-09-17 Thread George Smith
When did you download 6.1?
I tried this morning and it was still unavailable?

Noah Hart
 
I too would like the PE
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Re: [U2] UniData 6.1 and unirpcd problems.

2004-09-17 Thread Bob Little
Noah Hart wrote:
When did you download 6.1?
I tried this morning and it was still unavailable?
Noah Hart
 

Sorry Noah- I mistyped my subject line.  I do not have 6.1, I have 6.01.
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RE: [U2] Comparison Unidata and Universe

2004-09-17 Thread Kryka, Richard
I know this is probably not the highest on others lists, but the UniData
editor is like god next to the pitiful excuse of an editor that UniVerse
provides.  I don't understand why IBM doesn't release the UniData editor
with UniVerse and do away with the UniVerse version.

In addition, the UniData debugger is at least an order of magnitude
better than the RAID debugger on UniVerse.

As someone who has spent the last 12 years fixing and debugging code
written by other, these two issues are important to me. For Basic
programming, UniData is IMHO much, much better than UniVerse!
 
Dick Kryka
Director of Applications
CCCS of Greater Denver, Inc.
Paragon Financial Services
303-632-2226
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Group,



I was just talking to someone like myself who is trying to decide
between Unidata and Universe.

We are coming from d3 and mvBase and really would like someone
experienced with both to

give and overview of the strengths and weakness of both - that is
Unidata vs Universe.



Thanks to all that reply.



grs
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[U2] mvBase spooler

2004-09-17 Thread Allen E. Elwood \(CA\)
Does anybody know in a Raining data mvBase system, *is* there a file for the
spooled jobs, and if so, what the name might be?  I really truly hate
SP-EDIT and have a spooler that I wrote for Unidata that I would like to
port over.


Allen E. Elwood
Senior Programmer Analyst
Direct (818) 361-5251
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Re: [U2] Comparison Unidata and Universe

2004-09-17 Thread Bob Little
Robert Paterson wrote:
In the latest releases UV has the AE editor - so you can have the best of
all worlds...
The problem with the comparisons is that it all depends on how you are using
D3 now and more importantly which elements are make or break.
Everyone's shopping list is different. If you get that list together the
rest of us will be better able to advise on things.
Don't forget that some of the smaller things can end up real bugbears as
well!
 

True, but I think what I'd like to know first off is why two different 
products?
It would seem that one would take on the capabilities of the other over 
time, and one would be phased out.

What's the difference between UniData and UniVerse mainly?
Then - it would be good to hear from the users some of the pro's 
(particularly) and con's in your experience with the product.

Bob Little
Graphik Dimensions, Ltd.
High Point, NC
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RE: [U2] Comparison Unidata and Universe

2004-09-17 Thread FFT2001
Tony which of the below are freeware?

As far as editors go, there are third-party products which have been ported
cross-platform.  In my opinion, anything is better than ED or AE once you've
used a real editor.
- My personal favorite for simple editing is wED, which is the Windows
EDitor built into AccuTerm. http://www.asent.com
- The mvToolbox is impressive with a huge set of features, way above and
beyond standard editors.  It's sort of the Emacs of the Pick world, if that
means anything to anyone. http://mvtoolbox.com/
- The RED editor has been ported to many platforms.  I know nothing about it
except the web site that hosts this and other utilities is going away in the
next week or so.  Download a copy of RED, CRED, LED, and other editors from
http://www.mvtools.net/  If you miss them I'll probably have them on my
freeware site later.
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RE: [U2] Comparison Unidata and Universe

2004-09-17 Thread Tony Gravagno
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 Tony which of the below are freeware?

I'm surprised you asked, but the only freeware editor below is from
mvtools.net.  I hope I didn't imply otherwise.

[Moderator-friendly snippage]
 wED from AccuTerm: http://www.asent.com
 mvToolbox http://mvtoolbox.com/
 RED, CRED, LED, and other editors from http://www.mvtools.net/  If you
miss them
 I'll probably have them on my freeware site later.

Maybe it was that last line that gotcha, sorry.  It looked in-context to me.
T
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