Re: [U2] U2UG Elections 2010 - Request For Comment

2011-03-21 Thread George Land
I'm not telling people, I'm telling a company. Rocket wants something out of U2UG but won't give it the financial backing it needs. That's not productive. Can you please scream a lot because everybody loves it :) The problem with that point of view is that you don't know what Rocket

Re: [U2] U2UG Elections 2010 - Request For Comment

2011-03-21 Thread Glen Batchelor
I don't see why memberships must be free in the first place. Every user group i have been involved in required dues to be paid in order to fund meeting places. Why does any company need to fund anything that is strictly user oriented? You are receiving a user group service, which is free

Re: [U2] U2UG Elections 2010 - Request For Comment

2011-03-21 Thread David Jordan
The user group is for the users. If any user has an idea that we can put into a business plan then we can put it to Rocket and Rocket will respond on the merits of the plan. What is difficult at the moment is what we can do. Rocket advertises the user group in its emails, at the U2

Re: [U2] U2UG Elections 2010 - Request For Comment

2011-03-21 Thread George Land
The issue with a paid group is, as you say, the need to give value for the subscription which needs a serious investment of time from someone to generate that value. At present we all struggle to give more than an hour or two to the group, I don't see where the time is going to come from for

Re: [U2] U2UG Elections 2010 - Request For Comment

2011-03-21 Thread Glen Batchelor
On 3/21/2011 3:22 AM, David Jordan wrote: The user group is for the users. If any user has an idea that we can put into a business plan then we can put it to Rocket and Rocket will respond on the merits of the plan. What is difficult at the moment is what we can do. Rocket advertises the

Re: [U2] U2UG Elections 2010 - Request For Comment

2011-03-21 Thread Laura Hirsh
Hey group: I have mixed thoughts on this whole thread. Personally, and as the new U2UG president, I am so excited about helping move U2UG forward, but at the same time, am challenged by some of the thoughts expressed herein. I've served on the U2UG board since it's inception, and since the

Re: [U2] U2UG Elections 2010 - The I-Beam

2011-03-21 Thread Bill Brutzman
The movie star Ice Cube has a verbal go-around in one of his movies taking place I South Africa if I remember correctly. The other actor says Have a nice day. Ice Cube replies Don't tell me what to do!. Thus, an exception to the I-Beam construct (kind of like using a goto statement in code)

Re: [U2] U2UG Elections 2010 - Request For Comment - The I-Beam

2011-03-21 Thread Bill Brutzman
ToastMasters does not have the I-Beam as part of its charter, this was merely a brilliant speech that I heard when attending a TM meeting. --Bill -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Charlie Noah Sent:

Re: [U2] U2UG Elections 2010 - Request For Comment

2011-03-21 Thread fft2001
Then George correct my factual incorrectness by telling us what money Rocket is providing for U2UG ? You're saying that my claim that they aren't providing any is factually incorrect. -Original Message- From: George Land george.l...@aptsolutions.co.uk To: U2 Users List

Re: [U2] U2UG Elections 2010 - Request For Comment

2011-03-21 Thread David Jordan
First Fft2001 Can we have your name. How do we know that you are not someone from a competitor like Oracle trying to make Rocket look bad. Secondly the focus on money is pointless. We don't need money we need ideas. If anyone has a good idea and it needs some money from Rocket to make it

Re: [U2] U2UG Elections 2010 - Request For Comment

2011-03-21 Thread Ron Walenciak
I imagine that Will assumes people know him asfft2001 from his email and frequent postings (just saying). I worked with him at Brooks Brothers and Salant when they had Pick systems. I am sure there isn't any hidden agenda there... but I should let him speak for himself. :) Ron -Original

Re: [U2] U2UG Elections 2010 - Request For Comment

2011-03-21 Thread David Jordan
Thanks Ron Not knowing raises concerns of what are the motives behind the emails. Will probably means well, but misunderstands what Rocket is doing for the U2UG and some of his comments are unfair to the people involved. David ___ U2-Users mailing

Re: [U2] U2UG Elections 2010 - Request For Comment

2011-03-21 Thread George Land
No, this whole thing has got well beyond tedious now, if you haven't got the point yet that Rocket spend money on U2UG rather than give money to it - and that the board want is this way - you never will. On 21/03/2011 22:10, fft2...@aol.com fft2...@aol.com wrote: Then George correct my factual

Re: [U2] U2UG Elections 2010 - Request For Comment

2011-03-21 Thread Dawn Wolthuis
David -- This is Will who was on the original U2UG board with us -- seems like a long time ago, eh? --dawn On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 5:43 PM, David Jordan da...@dacono.com.au wrote: First Fft2001 Can we have your name.  How do we know that you are not someone from a competitor like Oracle

Re: [U2] U2UG Elections 2010 - Request For Comment

2011-03-21 Thread David Jordan
Hi Dawn I was raising an issue of etiquette to put names to emails so that everyone knows who they are dealing with and it is transparent that there are no hidden agendas. Not everyone knows who Will is as he has a meaningless email and he signs off with W. George would not know that Will