Re: [U2] Reliability doesn't raise enough issues to keep the list busy

2011-05-04 Thread George Land
I doubt you'll ever believe me, until Rocket send you your branded skateboard that is! On 03/05/2011 17:52, fft2...@aol.com fft2...@aol.com wrote: We'll all believe you, when they are published. What's the link again? In a message dated 5/3/2011 4:21:55 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,

Re: [U2] Reliability doesn't raise enough issues to keep the list busy

2011-05-04 Thread Rex Gozar
When I see the demand for U2 or Pick programmers rise, then I'll believe the market is growing. rex On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 3:46 AM, George Land george.l...@aptsolutions.net wrote: I doubt you'll ever believe me, until Rocket send you your branded skateboard that is! On 03/05/2011 17:52,

Re: [U2] Reliability doesn't raise enough issues to keep the list busy

2011-05-04 Thread David Jordan
New sales are mostly packages. A new site implementing a package does not equate to a new site needing U2 programmers. Hence a growth in job advertising is not a measure. Another impact is that new U2 applications have front ends developed with other languages like .Net, java. Etc. Often

Re: [U2] Reliability doesn't raise enough issues to keep the list busy

2011-05-04 Thread FFT2001
In a message dated 5/4/2011 12:47:17 AM Pacific Daylight Time, george.l...@aptsolutions.net writes: I doubt you'll ever believe me, until Rocket send you your branded skateboard that is! That's right George. I like action :) At least IBM called me *once* to see if I wanted to renew my

Re: [U2] Reliability doesn't raise enough issues to keep the list busy

2011-05-04 Thread FFT2001
In a message dated 5/4/2011 6:50:56 AM Pacific Daylight Time, da...@dacono.com.au writes: Often they are training those people to write U2 code rather than hiring pure U2 people. That is simply excellent for the future of U2 programmers. Train people to write really awful code with little

Re: [U2] Reliability doesn't raise enough issues to keep the list busy

2011-05-04 Thread Bob Wyatt
-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of fft2...@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 12:44 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] Reliability doesn't raise enough issues to keep the list busy In a message dated 5/4/2011 12:47:17 AM

Re: [U2] Reliability doesn't raise enough issues to keep the list busy

2011-05-03 Thread Symeon Breen
-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Tony Gravagno Sent: 03 May 2011 06:36 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] Reliability doesn't raise enough issues to keep the list busy From: David Jordan It is the problem with a reliable product there are not enough issues to keep

Re: [U2] Reliability doesn't raise enough issues to keep the list busy

2011-05-03 Thread George Land
How a product that is growing can simultaneously be dying is a bit of a mystery. Sitting here with last quarter's sales figures for U2 in the UK I can definitely say it's not dying, they look very healthy indeed. George Land APT Solutions Ltd U2 UK Distributor On 03/05/2011 06:36, Tony Gravagno

Re: [U2] Reliability doesn't raise enough issues to keep the list busy

2011-05-03 Thread George Land
raise enough issues to keep the list busy From: David Jordan It is the problem with a reliable product there are not enough issues to keep the list busy. If you had one of the competitor products there would be a ton of issues to deal with to keep multiple forums busy. Funny how buggy

Re: [U2] Reliability doesn't raise enough issues to keep the list busy

2011-05-03 Thread Symeon Breen
...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of George Land Sent: 03 May 2011 12:32 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] Reliability doesn't raise enough issues to keep the list busy But surely the reason is that whilst some years ago we all did everything in U2 (or D3 or whatever) today we use a blend

Re: [U2] Reliability doesn't raise enough issues to keep the list busy

2011-05-03 Thread David Jordan
One of the things that U2 has is the KISS principle. What I find like in .Net, is sometimes it overcomplicates a solution. 80% of my code is in UniBasic and 20% in .Net, however I feel like 80% of my time is taken up managing the .Net code compared to 20% managing the greater amount of code

Re: [U2] Reliability doesn't raise enough issues to keep the list busy

2011-05-03 Thread George Gallen
To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Reliability doesn't raise enough issues to keep the list busy One of the things that U2 has is the KISS principle. What I find like in .Net, is sometimes it overcomplicates a solution. 80% of my code is in UniBasic and 20% in .Net, however I feel like

Re: [U2] Reliability doesn't raise enough issues to keep the list busy

2011-05-03 Thread Bill Haskett
-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of George Land Sent: 03 May 2011 12:32 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] Reliability doesn't raise enough issues to keep the list busy But surely the reason is that whilst some years ago we all did

Re: [U2] Reliability doesn't raise enough issues to keep the list busy

2011-05-03 Thread FFT2001
We'll all believe you, when they are published. What's the link again? In a message dated 5/3/2011 4:21:55 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, george.l...@aptsolutions.net writes: How a product that is growing can simultaneously be dying is a bit of a mystery. Sitting here with last quarter's

Re: [U2] Reliability doesn't raise enough issues to keep the list busy

2011-05-03 Thread David Jordan
Databases have become utility. I don't see many applications today advertising they run on Oracle or Microsoft, many are trying to be generic. People are more interested in buying SAP than worry what database it runs on. Those days of user base and TPC ratings are gone. Users and developers

[U2] Reliability doesn't raise enough issues to keep the list busy

2011-05-02 Thread David Jordan
It is the problem with a reliable product there are not enough issues to keep the list busy. If you had one of the competitor products there would be a ton of issues to deal with to keep multiple forums busy. Funny how buggy software can look good, because there are a ton of forums to deal

Re: [U2] Reliability doesn't raise enough issues to keep the list busy

2011-05-02 Thread Tony Gravagno
From: David Jordan It is the problem with a reliable product there are not enough issues to keep the list busy. If you had one of the competitor products there would be a ton of issues to deal with to keep multiple forums busy. Funny how buggy software can look good, because there