Putting some
logic at a
middle tier, not necessarily at the DBMS server, also has
advantages.
At the risk of yet more bandwidth, but not consuming licenses, many
basic validation rules can be exposed as client-independent web
services. That approximates that interpreted layer,
Check out mv.NET .
http://www.bluefinity.com/
Regards,
Mike
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Hey Mike - what's with the BlueFinity label, why not just send them here?:
http://www.jbase.com/products/mvnet.html
Now I'm confused about mv.NET. The diagrams and details make it look like
a class library but the text in the bluefinity website makes it look like a
RAD environment nested within
there.
Regards,
Mike
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Hey Mike - what's with the BlueFinity label, why
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brian,
Monday, December 27, 2004, 3:44:01 AM, you wrote:
snip
bbcu But you are absolutely right that it all begins and ends with the
server
bbcu logic
I tend to put basic syntactical validation in the client and
application-specific data integrity type validation in the back-end. Sure
that creates more client-specific code, but with standard routines it's not
such a bother.
The reason I do this is that I'm concerned about traffic.
Tony:
[stuff snipped]
Brian's comment about intepreted code wasn't lost on me and I need to
consider it - I confess I've never done that. Putting some logic at a
middle tier, not necessarily at the DBMS server, also has advantages. At
the risk of yet more bandwidth, but not consuming
Full agreement with Brian, Will, and David on separating rules from the UI,
which is a concept that many MV developers tend to acknowledge but not
apply.
Will, I'll see your bet and raise you a few :
The concept of compiling rules down to Java is only half of it, the other
half is executing them.
Whether one uses java or .Net, my recommendation is to keep as much of your
business logic in U2. Always use the best of both worlds; U2 is an ideal
tool for developing business rules, processes transactions efficiently and
is tightly integrated to the database, something other RDBMS cannot
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BobJ bob-at-rjoslyn.com |U2UG| wrote:
Mono is one of the better tricks of our time. But for
practical purposes it IS Windows so MS wins
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snip
I almost understood OOP
That D in DOM is a general term and doesn't necessarily refer only to
legible Documents. I think DOM and API can be used interchangably when
referring to class libraries that define complex data structures along with
related method/property/event structures. The MS Office libraries are a
good
store of knowledge out there.
BobJ
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That D in DOM is a general term and doesn't necessarily refer only
Of Don Kibbey
Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2004 6:14 PM
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Java over .Net That just sounds wrong.
If you have a server environment that's exclusively Unix, you will
probably
want to just stick with most
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In fact if you want a software application environment that includes unix
in
any flavor or has the option of including such -- linux, Mac OS X
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Ah, but what IS the environment? If it is a server
Mono allows you to run the same C#/.NET code over Win32 and *nix.
http://www.mono-project.com/about/index.html
As an example, you can use Mono to serve ASP.NET pages from your Linux box
with no Windows involved. Connectivity can be established with your U2
environment, just not via UO.NET, which
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I almost understood OOP - and got a few things running. Now I'm
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I almost understood OOP - and got a few things running. Now I'm
Will the .NET Apps Live ?
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I almost understood OOP - and got a few things running
: Thursday, December 23, 2004 6:04 PM
Subject: RE: [U2] Where Will the .NET Apps Live ?
Mono allows you to run the same C#/.NET code over Win32 and *nix.
http://www.mono-project.com/about/index.html
As an example, you can use Mono to serve ASP.NET pages from your Linux box
with no Windows involved
BobJ bob-at-rjoslyn.com |U2UG| wrote:
Mono is one of the better tricks of our time. But for
practical purposes it IS Windows so MS wins again. They
just don't get any profit when you use Mono. At least no
direct profit.
Hey Bob, I'll give you grief here but I look forward to seeing you at
Java over .Net That just sounds wrong.
If you have a server environment that's exclusively Unix, you will probably
want to just stick with most anything except .Net.
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From: Don Kibbey
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Java over .Net That just sounds wrong.
I think he might have meant java instead of .net.
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Brutzman, Bill wrote:
Is there a way to save .Net exe app programs on a Unix box... such that
Windows users can launch these programs directly?
Yes, just run samba on the unix box and put the executables in a
directory shared by samba. The Windows desktops won't know it's not a
Windows server,
I'm pretty sure that the answer to this is 'yes' but I don't know if
anything special is involved. You might want to do some research on the
'Zero Touch Deployment' feature in .NET.
Basically, you just load up your executables onto a web server (probably
best as an intranet solution). I don't
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