Re: [U2] dbpause/dbresume or stopud/startud

2012-08-08 Thread John Jenkins
"dbpause" and "dbresume" allow any background processes (e.g. PHANTOM or WebDE (Redback)) to continue running. You do not have to have a restart procedure. Additionally, as long as your backup methodology is brief - a SAN "snap" or a mirrored drive split - then anyone using Telnet, UniObjects or OD

Re: [U2] dbpause/dbresume or stopud/startud

2012-08-08 Thread Wjhonson
You get an extra benefit from stopud and startud in that your database will be consistent. dbpause does not enforce consistency Personally I would never suggest using dbpause to take a snapshot because of that issue. You're never guarenteed that you have a clean consistent copy. -Original

[U2] Who is the console user in Universe?

2012-08-08 Thread Wjhonson
Universe 10.2 on Windows When I do a LISTU all our humans log in with telnet sessions and that appears in the Terminal No column along with their process id. However we have several users that appear as "console:" where is also their process id. What is a console user? What does it

Re: [U2] Who is the console user in Universe?

2012-08-08 Thread Jeff Schasny
If you drop into Universe from a dos shell you are a console user windows Wjhonson wrote: Universe 10.2 on Windows When I do a LISTU all our humans log in with telnet sessions and that appears in the Terminal No column along with their process id. However we have several users that appear as

Re: [U2] Who is the console user in Universe?

2012-08-08 Thread Wjhonson
So these are some kind of processes that are doing uvshell from DOS? Must be Redback I guess -Original Message- From: Jeff Schasny To: U2 Users List Sent: Wed, Aug 8, 2012 12:45 pm Subject: Re: [U2] Who is the console user in Universe? If you drop into Universe from a dos shell you

Re: [U2] dbpause/dbresume or stopud/startud

2012-08-08 Thread Wally Terhune
If you have put transaction processing semantics in your code you will have logical consistency with dbpause. For RFS enabled systems, dbpause forces a checkpoint. Wally Terhune Technical Support Engineer Rocket Software 4600 South Ulster Street, Suite 1100 **Denver, CO 80237 **USA t: +1 720 475

Re: [U2] dbpause/dbresume or stopud/startud

2012-08-08 Thread Wjhonson
That's the rub isn't it? We have a few thousand programs written over 30 years, and only a limited staff, and users always want more. Users don't see the need to go back and *fix* code that's working, and/or are not willing to pay you to do it. It's a cost-benefit issue. For a site that doesn

Re: [U2] dbpause/dbresume or stopud/startud

2012-08-08 Thread Wally Terhune
RFS with TP has been available in UniData for 15-20 years too. I understand your issues. I'm just saying you do have the ability in UniData to generate a consistent backup (physical and logical) using dbpause. Wally Terhune Technical Support Engineer Rocket Software 4600 South Ulster Street, Suit

Re: [U2] dbpause/dbresume or stopud/startud

2012-08-08 Thread Wjhonson
I don't think I've ever encountered an environment where the programmers actually rewrote hundreds of programs to use transaction sets just so they could then use dbpause. Sounds like a company heading for bankruptcy ;) -Original Message- From: Wally Terhune To: U2 Users List Sent: