Re: [U2] Opinions on Cache

2011-04-12 Thread Don Verhagen
First I like to thank all that have responded to my query. I knew that posting a question that may lead me to dropping U2 as a database may cause some concern as to whether that is appropriate for this list. I believe it is, because I want the opinions of people who have experience/exposure in

Re: [U2] Opinions on Cache

2011-04-11 Thread Robert Porter
I can say that in the healthcare field Cache' is a significantly easier sell than U2. Robert F. Porter, MCSE, CCNA, ZCE, OCP-Java Lead Sr. Programmer / Analyst Laboratory Information Services Ochsner Health System This transmission (including any attachments) may contain

Re: [U2] Opinions on Cache -- SB+ and web applications.

2011-04-11 Thread Ed Clark
yes, if your application is tied to SB, then your platform options are limited. But it sounds like a lot of developers want to move away from SB into more mainstream web-oriented applications. You want to compare building web applications on Cache vs U2 (and vs non-mv platforms as well, because

Re: [U2] Opinions on Cache

2011-04-11 Thread Ed Clark
Yes, Intersystems has developers, support engineers, and salesmen who worked for other mv vendors. But Cache isn't jbase-centric. It has emulations for all the MV variants. Mumps is still around, though most of the large vendors were consolidated by Intersystems. After that, Intersystems

Re: [U2] Opinions on Cache -- database files vs database blobs

2011-04-11 Thread Ed Clark
Cache gives you a lot of flexibility here. Data is stored in databases. Each database is a single OS file. But you use the data through a Namespace (called an account in mv). By default all the mv files for a namespace/account are in a single database. But you can map individual files or even

Re: [U2] Opinions on Cache

2011-04-10 Thread Wols Lists
On 10/04/11 02:47, Dawn Wolthuis wrote: I am currently looking at how U2 fits in the cloud environment with products like Microsoft Azure and I think the model of U2 where each table is a separate os file is better for cloud computing than Cache's one system file (similar to the

Re: [U2] Opinions on Cache

2011-04-10 Thread Tony Gravagno
From: David Jordan From my observations, I don't quite agree on Tony's summation of Cache vs U2. You are of course welcome to disagree, and I might even agree with some of your points. But several of your points disagree with statements that I didn't make. Rather than go through each in

Re: [U2] Opinions on Cache

2011-04-10 Thread David Jordan
Rather my point about the Pick issue is not to say that it is not a problem, it is more the perception of how to sell Pick to senior executives. Business management are not as concerned about technology as they are about results. They may have a concern or a perception about the technology

Re: [U2] Opinions on Cache

2011-04-10 Thread Dawn Wolthuis
On Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 2:39 AM, Wols Lists antli...@youngman.org.ukwrote: On 10/04/11 02:47, Dawn Wolthuis wrote: I am currently looking at how U2 fits in the cloud environment with products like Microsoft Azure and I think the model of U2 where each table is a separate os file is

Re: [U2] Opinions on Cache

2011-04-10 Thread Tony Gravagno
And with your last note yes, we are in complete agreement. :) Thanks. T ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users

Re: [U2] Opinions on Cache

2011-04-09 Thread Dawn Wolthuis
Hi Don -- Yes, I have experience with UniData, SQL and SQL DBMS's, and I now work in Cache' However, I have only a very tiny bit of experience with SB and none with a conversion from SB+UniData to Cache'. Certainly I have a deep fondness for U2, but I had to make a good business decision a couple

Re: [U2] Opinions on Cache

2011-04-09 Thread Dawn Wolthuis
OK, now I'm not finding the ones I thought were on this channel, so search youtube for MultiValue and you will see both a little 6 minute-ish video and a 4-part video related to Cache for MV developers. --dawn On Sat, Apr 9, 2011 at 10:57 AM, Dawn Wolthuis dw...@tincat-group.comwrote: Hi Don --

Re: [U2] Opinions on Cache

2011-04-09 Thread Tony Gravagno
From: Don Verhagen I want to ask if anyone has had any experience with Cache and also has experience with U2 and SQL. I don't sell Caché and I don't get any kind of compensation for saying something nice about them, but I will anyway. ;) Here is a summary in my blog from 4 years ago:

Re: [U2] Opinions on Cache

2011-04-09 Thread George Land
With any platform change you have to ask what you are getting and what you are losing compared with where you are. If you want to evolve the application then your only option is to stay with U2 because that is the only platform that SB will run on. OK, there was an attempt to emulate SB on

Re: [U2] Opinions on Cache

2011-04-09 Thread David Jordan
From my observations, I don't quite agree on Tony's summation of Cache vs U2. Cache has the same burden as U2 in that they came from mumps where U2 came from Pick. The biggest difference between Cache and U2 is marketing where Cache takes on RDBMS and U2 is apologetic for being Pick, but that

Re: [U2] Opinions on Cache

2011-04-09 Thread Wols Lists
On 09/04/11 23:57, David Jordan wrote: From my observations, I don't quite agree on Tony's summation of Cache vs U2. Cache has the same burden as U2 in that they came from mumps where U2 came from Pick. The biggest difference between Cache and U2 is marketing where Cache takes on RDBMS and U2

Re: [U2] Opinions on Cache

2011-04-09 Thread Dawn Wolthuis
Comments within. Again, I am a U2 fan, so I am trying to do a comparison, not a sales job, although I'm guessing it might sound a bit like Cache evangelism. I am pragmatic about my choices, so even if I want to like a more pure MultiValue platform (I started my career on a Pr1me computer, prior to

Re: [U2] Opinions on Cache

2011-04-09 Thread David Jordan
I am not familiar with UniData and I am aware that UniVerse has had better SQL support than uniData. I have found that UniVerse SQL performs well. The UniVerse query engine is used by both SQL and retrieve, where they pass the query over to an optimizer engine. One thing that has been a bit