Re: [U2] jobnotify: Error 913 occurred
The strangest source of Broken Pipe I've encountered was with Internet Explorer run from servers to web servers! In my case it was a home-grown program that had a web management console. Regular desktop MSIE, chrome, firefox, safari, opera, just about everything worked fine, except the IE on servers. Steve... -Original Message- From: Daniel McGrath dmcgr...@rocketsoftware.com To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Thu, Mar 20, 2014 11:31 am Subject: Re: [U2] jobnotify: Error 913 occurred I've never heard of this issue and our issue tracking system doesn't show any customers having reported it. jobnotify: Error 913 occurred indicates that the parent process has detected the child process terminating via catching a SIG. The number after 9, 13 in this case, indicates which signal. 13 is SIGPIPE, which means a broken pipe. If you haven't already, please report it to your support provider. Cheers, Dan From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org on behalf of Leverett, Brendon brendon.lever...@spotless.com.au Sent: Wednesday, 19 March 2014 9:39 PM To: U2 Users List (u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org) Subject: Re: [U2] jobnotify: Error 913 occurred Nearly one week and no responses... Do I assume no one encountered the 'jobnotify: Error 913 occurred' message or has any knowledge of it. Regards, Brendon Leverett From: Leverett, Brendon Sent: Friday, 14 March 2014 11:09 AM To: U2 Users List (u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org) Subject: jobnotify: Error 913 occurred We have recently upgraded Universe (10.2.4 to 11.1.15) and are now finding some unusual activity around phantom jobs and the documented change to NOTIFY ON. There are a lot of details behind the scenes but in summary: - started a job via phantom command (phantom SYNC.COPY.BNET) - noticed 90 mins later that this job had crashed. This crash happens for various reasons but is more frequently crashing since the upgrade - restarted the same job with the same phantom command At this time the following 3 lines of text was returned to the user's session: jobnotify: Error 913 occurred [15466830] SYNC.COPY.BNET - terminated Phantom process started with process ID 33161456 Seems the 1ST 2 lines of text related to the previous phantom and 3rd line related to the phantom just started. My Q is: Does anyone have any ideas about the specific message jobnotify: Error 913 occurred We are running on AIX. Regards, Brendon Leverett ** This email message and any files transmitted with it may be confidential and privileged neither of which is intended to be waived. If you have received this communication in error, please reply to this e-mail to notify the sender of its incorrect delivery and then delete it and your reply. It is your responsibility to check this email and any attachments for viruses and defects before opening or sending them on. Spotless collects information about you to provide and market our services. For information about use, disclosure and access, see our privacy policy at http://www.spotless.com.au Please consider our environment before printing this email. ** ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] jobnotify: Error 913 occurred
Thanks for the feedback but nothing here seems to be an issue. Our system administrator has reviewed the config and all looks OK but we will certainly keep an eye on these sorts of settings. Regards, Brendon. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Hona, David Sent: Friday, 21 March 2014 5:21 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] jobnotify: Error 913 occurred Sorry, I forgot to reply... I vaguely recall having a jobnotify errors when we migrated to AIX6.1 and UV11.1.9 during the testing phases...but do not recall if it was the 913 version you got...I cannot find my notes on this and didn't raise it as a problem case with Rocket... You could be occasionally running out of user processes - but only when the system is busy... or perhaps some settings are not optimised for your server / license, etc. A quick check is to verify 'ulimit' sessions for your UV session (do a ulimit -a at the shell prompt). Check the current values of the ULIMIT and SHMMNI kernel parameters. SHMMNI should be set to Number of Users + 2. (This is from a Rocket UV11 tech note) Finally, I think we also ran into issues with running out of LCTs...not necessarily relayed to the jobnotify error... This was another configuration issue not documented in the install guide at the time. That required of the tweaking of the UVCONFIG NUSERS parameters to ensure that everything was 'optimised', etc. and documented in the tech guidese UniVerse 11.1 - Before You Upgrade.pdf (previously What You Need To Know for Eleven One.pdf). Hope this helps... Cheers, David -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Leverett, Brendon Sent: Thursday, 20 March 2014 2:40 PM To: U2 Users List (u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org) Subject: Re: [U2] jobnotify: Error 913 occurred Nearly one week and no responses... Do I assume no one encountered the 'jobnotify: Error 913 occurred' message or has any knowledge of it. Regards, Brendon Leverett From: Leverett, Brendon Sent: Friday, 14 March 2014 11:09 AM To: U2 Users List (u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org) Subject: jobnotify: Error 913 occurred We have recently upgraded Universe (10.2.4 to 11.1.15) and are now finding some unusual activity around phantom jobs and the documented change to NOTIFY ON. There are a lot of details behind the scenes but in summary: - started a job via phantom command (phantom SYNC.COPY.BNET) - noticed 90 mins later that this job had crashed. This crash happens for various reasons but is more frequently crashing since the upgrade - restarted the same job with the same phantom command At this time the following 3 lines of text was returned to the user's session: jobnotify: Error 913 occurred [15466830] SYNC.COPY.BNET - terminated Phantom process started with process ID 33161456 Seems the 1ST 2 lines of text related to the previous phantom and 3rd line related to the phantom just started. My Q is: Does anyone have any ideas about the specific message jobnotify: Error 913 occurred We are running on AIX. Regards, Brendon Leverett ** IMPORTANT MESSAGE * This e-mail message is intended only for the addressee(s) and contains information which may be confidential. If you are not the intended recipient please advise the sender by return email, do not use or disclose the contents, and delete the message and any attachments from your system. Unless specifically indicated, this email does not constitute formal advice or commitment by the sender or the Commonwealth Bank of Australia (ABN 48 123 123 124) or its subsidiaries. We can be contacted through our web site: commbank.com.au. If you no longer wish to receive commercial electronic messages from us, please reply to this e-mail by typing Unsubscribe in the subject line. ** ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ** This email message and any files transmitted with it may be confidential and privileged neither of which is intended to be waived. If you have received this communication in error, please reply to this e-mail to notify the sender of its incorrect delivery and then delete it and your reply. It is your responsibility to check this email and any attachments for viruses and defects before opening or sending them on. Spotless collects information about you to provide and market our services. For information about use, disclosure and access, see our privacy policy at http://www.spotless.com.au Please consider our environment before printing this email
Re: [U2] jobnotify: Error 913 occurred
Sorry, I forgot to reply... I vaguely recall having a jobnotify errors when we migrated to AIX6.1 and UV11.1.9 during the testing phases...but do not recall if it was the 913 version you got...I cannot find my notes on this and didn't raise it as a problem case with Rocket... You could be occasionally running out of user processes - but only when the system is busy... or perhaps some settings are not optimised for your server / license, etc. A quick check is to verify 'ulimit' sessions for your UV session (do a ulimit -a at the shell prompt). Check the current values of the ULIMIT and SHMMNI kernel parameters. SHMMNI should be set to Number of Users + 2. (This is from a Rocket UV11 tech note) Finally, I think we also ran into issues with running out of LCTs...not necessarily relayed to the jobnotify error... This was another configuration issue not documented in the install guide at the time. That required of the tweaking of the UVCONFIG NUSERS parameters to ensure that everything was 'optimised', etc. and documented in the tech guidese UniVerse 11.1 - Before You Upgrade.pdf (previously What You Need To Know for Eleven One.pdf). Hope this helps... Cheers, David -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Leverett, Brendon Sent: Thursday, 20 March 2014 2:40 PM To: U2 Users List (u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org) Subject: Re: [U2] jobnotify: Error 913 occurred Nearly one week and no responses... Do I assume no one encountered the 'jobnotify: Error 913 occurred' message or has any knowledge of it. Regards, Brendon Leverett From: Leverett, Brendon Sent: Friday, 14 March 2014 11:09 AM To: U2 Users List (u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org) Subject: jobnotify: Error 913 occurred We have recently upgraded Universe (10.2.4 to 11.1.15) and are now finding some unusual activity around phantom jobs and the documented change to NOTIFY ON. There are a lot of details behind the scenes but in summary: - started a job via phantom command (phantom SYNC.COPY.BNET) - noticed 90 mins later that this job had crashed. This crash happens for various reasons but is more frequently crashing since the upgrade - restarted the same job with the same phantom command At this time the following 3 lines of text was returned to the user's session: jobnotify: Error 913 occurred [15466830] SYNC.COPY.BNET - terminated Phantom process started with process ID 33161456 Seems the 1ST 2 lines of text related to the previous phantom and 3rd line related to the phantom just started. My Q is: Does anyone have any ideas about the specific message jobnotify: Error 913 occurred We are running on AIX. Regards, Brendon Leverett ** IMPORTANT MESSAGE * This e-mail message is intended only for the addressee(s) and contains information which may be confidential. If you are not the intended recipient please advise the sender by return email, do not use or disclose the contents, and delete the message and any attachments from your system. Unless specifically indicated, this email does not constitute formal advice or commitment by the sender or the Commonwealth Bank of Australia (ABN 48 123 123 124) or its subsidiaries. We can be contacted through our web site: commbank.com.au. If you no longer wish to receive commercial electronic messages from us, please reply to this e-mail by typing Unsubscribe in the subject line. ** ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] jobnotify: Error 913 occurred
This reminds me... Does UV have the same kind of logging as UD? Whenever UD crashes with things like LCT errors there's a log file created in the dbms account directory outlining the kinds of problems that occurred. These were very helpful when I sent them to Wally. :-) Bill - Original Message - *From:* david.h...@cba.com.au *To:* U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org *Date:* 3/20/2014 11:21 PM *Subject:* Re: [U2] jobnotify: Error 913 occurred Sorry, I forgot to reply... I vaguely recall having a jobnotify errors when we migrated to AIX6.1 and UV11.1.9 during the testing phases...but do not recall if it was the 913 version you got...I cannot find my notes on this and didn't raise it as a problem case with Rocket... You could be occasionally running out of user processes - but only when the system is busy... or perhaps some settings are not optimised for your server / license, etc. A quick check is to verify 'ulimit' sessions for your UV session (do a ulimit -a at the shell prompt). Check the current values of the ULIMIT and SHMMNI kernel parameters. SHMMNI should be set to Number of Users + 2. (This is from a Rocket UV11 tech note) Finally, I think we also ran into issues with running out of LCTs...not necessarily relayed to the jobnotify error... This was another configuration issue not documented in the install guide at the time. That required of the tweaking of the UVCONFIG NUSERS parameters to ensure that everything was 'optimised', etc. and documented in the tech guidese UniVerse 11.1 - Before You Upgrade.pdf (previously What You Need To Know for Eleven One.pdf). Hope this helps... Cheers, David -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Leverett, Brendon Sent: Thursday, 20 March 2014 2:40 PM To: U2 Users List (u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org) Subject: Re: [U2] jobnotify: Error 913 occurred Nearly one week and no responses... Do I assume no one encountered the 'jobnotify: Error 913 occurred' message or has any knowledge of it. Regards, Brendon Leverett From: Leverett, Brendon Sent: Friday, 14 March 2014 11:09 AM To: U2 Users List (u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org) Subject: jobnotify: Error 913 occurred We have recently upgraded Universe (10.2.4 to 11.1.15) and are now finding some unusual activity around phantom jobs and the documented change to NOTIFY ON. There are a lot of details behind the scenes but in summary: - started a job via phantom command (phantom SYNC.COPY.BNET) - noticed 90 mins later that this job had crashed. This crash happens for various reasons but is more frequently crashing since the upgrade - restarted the same job with the same phantom command At this time the following 3 lines of text was returned to the user's session: jobnotify: Error 913 occurred [15466830] SYNC.COPY.BNET - terminated Phantom process started with process ID 33161456 Seems the 1ST 2 lines of text related to the previous phantom and 3rd line related to the phantom just started. My Q is: Does anyone have any ideas about the specific message jobnotify: Error 913 occurred We are running on AIX. Regards, Brendon Leverett ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] jobnotify: Error 913 occurred
No idea what that is. John Israel Sent from my iPhone On Mar 19, 2014, at 11:39 PM, Leverett, Brendon brendon.lever...@spotless.com.au wrote: Nearly one week and no responses... Do I assume no one encountered the 'jobnotify: Error 913 occurred' message or has any knowledge of it. Regards, Brendon Leverett From: Leverett, Brendon Sent: Friday, 14 March 2014 11:09 AM To: U2 Users List (u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org) Subject: jobnotify: Error 913 occurred We have recently upgraded Universe (10.2.4 to 11.1.15) and are now finding some unusual activity around phantom jobs and the documented change to NOTIFY ON. There are a lot of details behind the scenes but in summary: - started a job via phantom command (phantom SYNC.COPY.BNET) - noticed 90 mins later that this job had crashed. This crash happens for various reasons but is more frequently crashing since the upgrade - restarted the same job with the same phantom command At this time the following 3 lines of text was returned to the user's session: jobnotify: Error 913 occurred [15466830] SYNC.COPY.BNET - terminated Phantom process started with process ID 33161456 Seems the 1ST 2 lines of text related to the previous phantom and 3rd line related to the phantom just started. My Q is: Does anyone have any ideas about the specific message jobnotify: Error 913 occurred We are running on AIX. Regards, Brendon Leverett ** This email message and any files transmitted with it may be confidential and privileged neither of which is intended to be waived. If you have received this communication in error, please reply to this e-mail to notify the sender of its incorrect delivery and then delete it and your reply. It is your responsibility to check this email and any attachments for viruses and defects before opening or sending them on. Spotless collects information about you to provide and market our services. For information about use, disclosure and access, see our privacy policy at http://cp.mcafee.com/d/5fHCNASyOqenQTD1NEVvdTdEThjvKztcQsCQrEFLThjhd79J6WarZQrITdEThjd7bXb31EVdydis9kzLDwF3iQWMESJYplzOVJ3iQWMESJYplzOVLrIKqCO_R-hsuvjjuWZOW9EV7esC---CU_ORQX8FGTd7b7axVZicHs3jq9JcTsTsS02EJmp_QFO_qSrrjbJQ-d2V2Hsbvg57OFeDNc_7CQSOf00jryr3NI5-Aq83iS4QPiWq816F25pOtb96y0qz6Ijh0qekmjh1mRCUNZ0SOYrTRJo Please consider our environment before printin g this email. ** ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://cp.mcafee.com/d/avndxMsd38srhpd7bWrPwUQsLCXCQrEFLThKCqejqdQkTXEFECzASzt5d-WdSrCQrEFCzBZBxwQsCN6Fe4GhTPMkxFqtokrm-cGNVsSxFqtokrm-cGNVsTJSndjpvW_8KffFFLtuVt4QszDejvvvjsvVqWtAkRrCzBzBgY-F6lK1FJcSCrKrKr01DOFeDNc_7CQSOf00s4RtxxYGjB1SKdFBSWv6xJJcKTjUQbAaJMJZ0kvaAWv4PYurjr8Y01dK9If6MnWhEwdbojjdbFEw4qA8lD9QIAq81GcqNd41EVhpd45rmrz7Q3rbNLzkJuGcbvvfF ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] jobnotify: Error 913 occurred
I've never heard of this issue and our issue tracking system doesn't show any customers having reported it. jobnotify: Error 913 occurred indicates that the parent process has detected the child process terminating via catching a SIG. The number after 9, 13 in this case, indicates which signal. 13 is SIGPIPE, which means a broken pipe. If you haven't already, please report it to your support provider. Cheers, Dan From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org on behalf of Leverett, Brendon brendon.lever...@spotless.com.au Sent: Wednesday, 19 March 2014 9:39 PM To: U2 Users List (u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org) Subject: Re: [U2] jobnotify: Error 913 occurred Nearly one week and no responses... Do I assume no one encountered the 'jobnotify: Error 913 occurred' message or has any knowledge of it. Regards, Brendon Leverett From: Leverett, Brendon Sent: Friday, 14 March 2014 11:09 AM To: U2 Users List (u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org) Subject: jobnotify: Error 913 occurred We have recently upgraded Universe (10.2.4 to 11.1.15) and are now finding some unusual activity around phantom jobs and the documented change to NOTIFY ON. There are a lot of details behind the scenes but in summary: - started a job via phantom command (phantom SYNC.COPY.BNET) - noticed 90 mins later that this job had crashed. This crash happens for various reasons but is more frequently crashing since the upgrade - restarted the same job with the same phantom command At this time the following 3 lines of text was returned to the user's session: jobnotify: Error 913 occurred [15466830] SYNC.COPY.BNET - terminated Phantom process started with process ID 33161456 Seems the 1ST 2 lines of text related to the previous phantom and 3rd line related to the phantom just started. My Q is: Does anyone have any ideas about the specific message jobnotify: Error 913 occurred We are running on AIX. Regards, Brendon Leverett ** This email message and any files transmitted with it may be confidential and privileged neither of which is intended to be waived. If you have received this communication in error, please reply to this e-mail to notify the sender of its incorrect delivery and then delete it and your reply. It is your responsibility to check this email and any attachments for viruses and defects before opening or sending them on. Spotless collects information about you to provide and market our services. For information about use, disclosure and access, see our privacy policy at http://www.spotless.com.au Please consider our environment before printing this email. ** ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] jobnotify: Error 913 occurred
I have no idea what it is either. When phantoms crash I figure it has to do the the credentials running the phantom. In windows I find all my scheduled tasks run under a specific set of credentials. If something runs that I don't have permissions for it just crashes. So the user has to have access to all the files and functions the program accesses. Since you changed servers, I'm guessing this is a good place to start. Bill - Original Message - *From:* johnisr...@daytonsuperior.com *To:* U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org *Date:* 3/20/2014 3:58 AM *Subject:* Re: [U2] jobnotify: Error 913 occurred No idea what that is. John Israel Sent from my iPhone On Mar 19, 2014, at 11:39 PM, Leverett, Brendon brendon.lever...@spotless.com.au wrote: Nearly one week and no responses... Do I assume no one encountered the 'jobnotify: Error 913 occurred' message or has any knowledge of it. Regards, Brendon Leverett From: Leverett, Brendon Sent: Friday, 14 March 2014 11:09 AM To: U2 Users List (u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org) Subject: jobnotify: Error 913 occurred We have recently upgraded Universe (10.2.4 to 11.1.15) and are now finding some unusual activity around phantom jobs and the documented change to NOTIFY ON. There are a lot of details behind the scenes but in summary: - started a job via phantom command (phantom SYNC.COPY.BNET) - noticed 90 mins later that this job had crashed. This crash happens for various reasons but is more frequently crashing since the upgrade - restarted the same job with the same phantom command At this time the following 3 lines of text was returned to the user's session: jobnotify: Error 913 occurred [15466830] SYNC.COPY.BNET - terminated Phantom process started with process ID 33161456 Seems the 1ST 2 lines of text related to the previous phantom and 3rd line related to the phantom just started. My Q is: Does anyone have any ideas about the specific message jobnotify: Error 913 occurred We are running on AIX. Regards, Brendon Leverett ** This email message and any files transmitted with it may be confidential and privileged neither of which is intended to be waived. If you have received this communication in error, please reply to this e-mail to notify the sender of its incorrect delivery and then delete it and your reply. It is your responsibility to check this email and any attachments for viruses and defects before opening or sending them on. Spotless collects information about you to provide and market our services. For information about use, disclosure and access, see our privacy policy at http://cp.mcafee.com/d/5fHCNASyOqenQTD1NEVvdTdEThjvKztcQsCQrEFLThjhd79J6WarZQrITdEThjd7bXb31EVdydis9kzLDwF3iQWMESJYplzOVJ3iQWMESJYplzOVLrIKqCO_R-hsuvjjuWZOW9EV7esC---CU_ORQX8FGTd7b7axVZicHs3jq9JcTsTsS02EJmp_QFO_qSrrjbJQ-d2V2Hsbvg57OFeDNc_7CQSOf00jryr3NI5-Aq83iS4QPiWq816F25pOtb96y0qz6Ijh0qekmjh1mRCUNZ0SOYrTRJo Please consider our environment before printing this email. ** ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://cp.mcafee.com/d/avndxMsd38srhpd7bWrPwUQsLCXCQrEFLThKCqejqdQkTXEFECzASzt5d-WdSrCQrEFCzBZBxwQsCN6Fe4GhTPMkxFqtokrm-cGNVsSxFqtokrm-cGNVsTJSndjpvW_8KffFFLtuVt4QszDejvvvjsvVqWtAkRrCzBzBgY-F6lK1FJcSCrKrKr01DOFeDNc_7CQSOf00s4RtxxYGjB1SKdFBSWv6xJJcKTjUQbAaJMJZ0kvaAWv4PYurjr8Y01dK9If6MnWhEwdbojjdbFEw4qA8lD9QIAq81GcqNd41EVhpd45rmrz7Q3rbNLzkJuGcbvvfF ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] jobnotify: Error 913 occurred
Nearly one week and no responses... Do I assume no one encountered the 'jobnotify: Error 913 occurred' message or has any knowledge of it. Regards, Brendon Leverett From: Leverett, Brendon Sent: Friday, 14 March 2014 11:09 AM To: U2 Users List (u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org) Subject: jobnotify: Error 913 occurred We have recently upgraded Universe (10.2.4 to 11.1.15) and are now finding some unusual activity around phantom jobs and the documented change to NOTIFY ON. There are a lot of details behind the scenes but in summary: - started a job via phantom command (phantom SYNC.COPY.BNET) - noticed 90 mins later that this job had crashed. This crash happens for various reasons but is more frequently crashing since the upgrade - restarted the same job with the same phantom command At this time the following 3 lines of text was returned to the user's session: jobnotify: Error 913 occurred [15466830] SYNC.COPY.BNET - terminated Phantom process started with process ID 33161456 Seems the 1ST 2 lines of text related to the previous phantom and 3rd line related to the phantom just started. My Q is: Does anyone have any ideas about the specific message jobnotify: Error 913 occurred We are running on AIX. Regards, Brendon Leverett ** This email message and any files transmitted with it may be confidential and privileged neither of which is intended to be waived. If you have received this communication in error, please reply to this e-mail to notify the sender of its incorrect delivery and then delete it and your reply. It is your responsibility to check this email and any attachments for viruses and defects before opening or sending them on. Spotless collects information about you to provide and market our services. For information about use, disclosure and access, see our privacy policy at http://www.spotless.com.au Please consider our environment before printing this email. ** ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users