[Ubnt_users] Part 101 Spectrum Grab (was 4096 QAM)

2017-04-13 Thread Mimbres Communications
Waking up a bit late here as well, and we're *seriously* rural (second least populated county in the sixth least populated state in the nation). The power company and the mine both have all manner of dual-pol 40 MHz links on 6 GHz and 11 GHz running hither and yon. 400+ mbits full duplex to a

Re: [Ubnt_users] 4096 QAM (was: 24Ghz link Airfiber)

2017-04-13 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
"Conserve Spectrum" "Waste of Resources" "Spectrum Efficiency". Where are you folks living ? Dream Land ? .. When are going to wake up and realize that the battle is purely about spectrum grab. My advice to you all newbies get the biggest chunk of 11ghz spectrum

Re: [Ubnt_users] 4096 QAM (was: 24Ghz link Airfiber)

2017-04-13 Thread Seth Mattinen
On 4/13/17 12:48, J Portman wrote: > ETSI allows 112MHZ channels. FCC limits to 80. BUT, if your equipment > supports it, you can license two adjacent bands of 80 for 160MHZ channels. Danger... do not think of it as a 160MHz channel. The FCC requires individual carriers per channel, so you CAN

Re: [Ubnt_users] 4096 QAM (was: 24Ghz link Airfiber)

2017-04-13 Thread Mike Hammett
Marina was VERY nervous about giving this interview and it showed. I've promised her a re-do in Vegas. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayrEmIFKAOs - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "J

Re: [Ubnt_users] 4096 QAM (was: 24Ghz link Airfiber)

2017-04-13 Thread J Portman
ETSI allows 112MHZ channels. FCC limits to 80. BUT, if your equipment supports it, you can license two adjacent bands of 80 for 160MHZ channels. However, you can achieve the 160MHZ 'virtual' channel width by using dual core radio and xpic at 80MHZ which conserves spectrum. 5GHZ already has

[Ubnt_users] 4096 QAM (was: 24Ghz link Airfiber)

2017-04-13 Thread Mimbres Communications
Sweet. Having a heck of a time with their website trying to get technical data but I've emailed them for more info. BTW, the RFIC that Ubiquiti is building for airFiber LTU is supposed to be capable of 4096 QAM on a 100 MHz channel. I'm thinking next-generation AF-11 that can truly pack the

Re: [Ubnt_users] 24Ghz link Airfiber

2017-04-13 Thread J Portman
Which is the argument many vendors use for licensing keys. IE, grow  as needed. You might consider coordinating for 80MHZ/xpic/4096 QAM but only license the radio for your immediate needs, which does lower the initial cost (sometimes by a great deal). As you grow, drop in more keys, etc. I

Re: [Ubnt_users] 24Ghz link Airfiber

2017-04-13 Thread Mike Hammett
I'd imagine a lot of times it's the choice between a $200 Rocket\ePMP and a $500 - $1k AF11\B11 (plus other costs). Extending that to $15k+ can be a bit much of an ask. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original

Re: [Ubnt_users] 24Ghz link Airfiber

2017-04-13 Thread Jeremy Austin
On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 9:27 AM, J Portman wrote: > > I realize my argument may not be convincing to everyone, that's what makes > America great! (:) > Still, the waste of a very, very precious resource seems almost > unforgivable. > I can understand this perspective. I can

Re: [Ubnt_users] 24Ghz link Airfiber

2017-04-13 Thread J Portman
Varies somewhat on features and antennas. Last alfoplus2 quote I got for 2ft antennas, dual cores opened full modulation was about 19K. Yah, a LOT higher, but, in my view, when you get to the point where you NEED that much backhaul, you are probably COINING money (as we are). So, I don't

Re: [Ubnt_users] 24Ghz link Airfiber

2017-04-13 Thread mike . lyon
Whats the rough cost for one of those SiAE links? > On Apr 13, 2017, at 09:56, J Portman wrote: > > Yah, B11 is 50% (or less) as efficient as is possible. > > For real data throughput and spectral efficiency, you can't beat something > like SIAE AlfoPlus2 (4096) qam at

Re: [Ubnt_users] 24Ghz link Airfiber

2017-04-13 Thread J Portman
Yah, B11 is 50% (or less) as efficient as is possible. For real data throughput and spectral efficiency, you can't beat something like SIAE AlfoPlus2 (4096) qam at 80MHZ) and can run XPIC so only using ONE frequency pair to push well over a gig with sub-millisecond latency. Sure, costs more,

Re: [Ubnt_users] 24Ghz link Airfiber

2017-04-13 Thread Adair Winter
And trashes the 11g spectrum. Put a real radio up On Apr 13, 2017 11:21 AM, "Tommy Adams" wrote: > No experience with the AF11, but the B11 will give you every bit of 1 gig. > We put one up 4 months ago, no rain fade and it really moved the data. > > >

Re: [Ubnt_users] 24Ghz link Airfiber

2017-04-13 Thread Tommy Adams
No experience with the AF11, but the B11 will give you every bit of 1 gig. We put one up 4 months ago, no rain fade and it really moved the data. Tommy A. Digitex.com 817.558.6230 V 817.558.1204 F > On Apr 13, 2017, at 11:05 AM, Tim-GM

Re: [Ubnt_users] 24Ghz link Airfiber

2017-04-13 Thread Tim-GM
Will have techs test at tower Thanks for feedback We plan on moving or adding 11ghz for this link 24ghz would be backup. Just not sure if we do ubnt, mimosa, or cambium for the 11ghz From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard

Re: [Ubnt_users] 24Ghz link Airfiber

2017-04-13 Thread Tim-GM
Agreed From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 11:38 AM To: Ubiquiti Users Group Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] 24Ghz link Airfiber With the CCR generating tests. With 1100ah

Re: [Ubnt_users] 24Ghz link Airfiber

2017-04-13 Thread Josh Luthman
With the CCR generating tests. With 1100ah generating you're probably way behind. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 11:36 AM, Mathew Howard wrote: > If you're running bandwidth tests

Re: [Ubnt_users] 24Ghz link Airfiber

2017-04-13 Thread Mathew Howard
If you're running bandwidth tests from a MikroTik, I doubt that anything less than a CCR is going to be able to handle a 700Mbps TCP test. In my experience, if an AF24 is showing full capacity (770Mbps), it will do 700Mbps consistently. We have an inactive AF24 link (it was replaced with 11ghz

Re: [Ubnt_users] 24Ghz link Airfiber

2017-04-13 Thread Shawn C. Peppers
Im not sure i get 700 mbps test across a few of mine either when running tcp. I do however hit 600+ at peak times. Like Adair stated, its likely either the routers just are not accurately handling the bandwidth test, you have errors on the ethernet link or some other variable. Shawn C.

Re: [Ubnt_users] 24Ghz link Airfiber

2017-04-13 Thread Tommy Adams
Your numbers are almost identical to one of our links.  Pulling a TCP bandwidth test from a CCR1009 plugged in on each side we get 700 megs.  We use the CCR1009 to bond two backhauls together for failover when it rains.  Anyone telling you these things do not fail in the rain is crazy or lives

Re: [Ubnt_users] 24Ghz link Airfiber

2017-04-13 Thread Shawn C. Peppers
What are you using for the bandwidth testing? Shawn C. Peppers Video Direct 866-680-8433 Toll Free http://www.video-direct.tv > On Apr 13, 2017, at 9:43 AM, Tim-GM wrote: > > UDP around 653meg > > But that has NO value. > > > From:

Re: [Ubnt_users] 24Ghz link Airfiber

2017-04-13 Thread Adair Winter
Af24 will do 90% of whatever the capacity graph shows. So if it's not moving that much you have some issue generating that much traffic or ethernet issues. On Apr 13, 2017 9:43 AM, "Tim-GM" wrote: > UDP around 653meg > > > > But that has NO value. > > > > > >

Re: [Ubnt_users] 24Ghz link Airfiber

2017-04-13 Thread Tim-GM
UDP around 653meg But that has NO value. From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Shawn C. Peppers Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 10:36 AM To: Ubiquiti Users Group Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] 24Ghz link Airfiber Must be

Re: [Ubnt_users] 24Ghz link Airfiber

2017-04-13 Thread Shawn C. Peppers
Must be something else messing with it. How are you bandwidth testing? Try a UDP test. Shawn C. Peppers Video Direct 866-680-8433 Toll Free http://www.video-direct.tv > On Apr 13, 2017, at 9:24 AM, Tim-GM wrote: > > > > From:

Re: [Ubnt_users] 24Ghz link Airfiber

2017-04-13 Thread Tim-GM
From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Shawn C. Peppers Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 10:16 AM To: Ubiquiti Users Group Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] 24Ghz link Airfiber What does the capacity show? Shawn C. Peppers Video

Re: [Ubnt_users] 24Ghz link Airfiber

2017-04-13 Thread Shawn C. Peppers
What does the capacity show? Shawn C. Peppers Video Direct 866-680-8433 Toll Free http://www.video-direct.tv > On Apr 13, 2017, at 9:06 AM, Tim-GM wrote: > > Just noticed airlink at 33db says 500 > At 38 db says 728 > > The airfiber maximum power is 33db >

Re: [Ubnt_users] 24Ghz link Airfiber

2017-04-13 Thread Mike Hammett
No. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Tim-GM" To: "Ubiquiti Users Group" Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 9:06:54 AM Subject:

Re: [Ubnt_users] 24Ghz link Airfiber

2017-04-13 Thread Nate Burke
Same here, with the AF24 line, always see full throughput. Is it possible the routers on the ends can't handle the throughput? Especially if they are generating the traffic for the Bandwidth test. On 4/13/2017 7:22 AM, Adair Winter wrote: we move 700+Mb easily over our air fibers. how are

Re: [Ubnt_users] 24Ghz link Airfiber

2017-04-13 Thread Adam Greene
How much spectrum (channel width) did you allocate to the link? From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Nate Burke Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 8:26 AM To: Ubiquiti Users Group Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] 24Ghz link

Re: [Ubnt_users] 24Ghz link Airfiber

2017-04-13 Thread Adair Winter
we move 700+Mb easily over our air fibers. how are you testing? On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 7:14 AM, Tim-GM wrote: > Installed our first AirFiber link 3.62 miles > > > > DB numbers 65-66 match the airlink model > > We have them set at full duplex > > All

[Ubnt_users] 24Ghz link Airfiber

2017-04-13 Thread Tim-GM
Installed our first AirFiber link 3.62 miles DB numbers 65-66 match the airlink model We have them set at full duplex All indications are a 764-759 meg link Yet our TCP-IP throughput is 300-330meg Any thoughts on why? The signal have solid colors for each chain on both sides