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Re: [Ubnt_users] AF11x Question.

2016-09-20 Thread Rob Genovesi

+1 for these answers.

I'm eager to find out the max power consumption for the radio - some
of our sites are solar powered and energy budget is a primary concern.

Thanks,

Rob Genovesi • Coastside.Net • Owner
650-712-5900 • 525B Obispo Rd • Half Moon Bay CA


On Mon, Sep 19, 2016 at 6:23 AM, Faisal Imtiaz <fai...@snappytelecom.net> wrote:
> Hi Alex,
>
> Thank you for the answers, it is good to know the details.
>
> What is the estimated time for these radios to be available ?
>
> and more importantly, when can we expect to see an full spec sheet , options
> etc.
>
> Regards.
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> 
>
> From: "Ubiquiti Users Group" <ubnt_users@wispa.org>
> To: "Ubiquiti Users Group" <ubnt_users@wispa.org>
> Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2016 11:20:29 PM
>
> Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] AF11x Question.
>
> Faisal,
>
> 1) The radio is common part of the system, but what is the varying factor is
> the duplexer that you associate with the radio.  So you would either be
> purchasing a High-Band or Low-Band “configuration”
>
> 2) Yes it can configured as a SISO device it is actually shipping in a SISO
> configuration if a user has the ability to coordinate both polarities then
> they would need to purchase the additional duplexer.
>
> Regards,
> --
> Alex Pavlos
> Ubiquiti Networks, Inc.
> Chicago Design Center
> 1250 S. Grove Ave. Ste. 100
> Barrington, IL 60010
> c: +1-847-652-0753
> o: +1-847-387-6790
>
> On Sep 16, 2016, at 9:10 PM, Faisal Imtiaz <fai...@snappytelecom.net> wrote:
> I was hoping to get an official answer, than trying to speculate.
>
> Hopefully Alex from Ubiquiti will chime in.
>
> I do have a few more questions, it is hard to extrapolate the answers from
> the murky forums.
>
> 1) Are these High/Low radios ? or will they use both for tx & rx as needed.
>
> 2) The radios are using both polarities on both channels (MIMO / XPIC), can
> they be configured to work as SISO ? i.e. just use one polarity based on
> channel availability ?
>
>
> Thank.
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> - Original Message -
>
> From: "Jon Langeler" <jon-ispli...@michwave.net>
> To: "Ubiquiti Users Group" <ubnt_users@wispa.org>
> Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 11:37:14 PM
> Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] AF11x Question.
>
>
> The good news is these appear to be high/low radios. Your essentially
> getting an
> XPIC radio setup for the price of what would normally cost $18k. The
> limitation
> is 56MHz channels. But even if only 40MHz, dual polarity yields a LOT.
>
> Jon Langeler
> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
> Direct 616.350.8080
>
> On Sep 15, 2016, at 10:45 PM, Faisal Imtiaz <fai...@snappytelecom.net>
> wrote:
>
> Yes, Seth.
>
> But these are not "High / Low" radios...
> They use both channels for TX & RX ... Please correct me if I am wrong.
>
> Regards
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> - Original Message -
>
> From: "Seth Mattinen" <se...@rollernet.us>
> To: "Ubiquiti Users Group" <ubnt_users@wispa.org>
> Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 1:15:32 PM
> Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] AF11x Question.
>
>
> On 9/15/16 10:08, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
> 1) Are the AF11x going to have 'sync' capability so that the channel
> freq can be reused by another AF11x pointing in a different direction ?
>
>
>
> That's not really a problem with high/low microwave. I don't know where
> people are getting the idea that it is or suddenly sync is needed, it's not.
>
> Daniel said it better:
>
> http://afmug.com/pipermail/af/2015-October/034385.html
>
> ~Seth
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Re: [Ubnt_users] AF11x Question.

2016-09-19 Thread Faisal Imtiaz

Hi Alex, 

Thank you for the answers, it is good to know the details. 

What is the estimated time for these radios to be available ? 

and more importantly, when can we expect to see an full spec sheet , options 
etc. 

Regards. 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: "Ubiquiti Users Group" <ubnt_users@wispa.org>
> To: "Ubiquiti Users Group" <ubnt_users@wispa.org>
> Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2016 11:20:29 PM
> Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] AF11x Question.

> Faisal,

> 1) The radio is common part of the system, but what is the varying factor is 
> the
> duplexer that you associate with the radio. So you would either be purchasing 
> a
> High-Band or Low-Band “configuration”

> 2) Yes it can configured as a SISO device it is actually shipping in a SISO
> configuration if a user has the ability to coordinate both polarities then 
> they
> would need to purchase the additional duplexer.

> Regards,
> --
> Alex Pavlos
> Ubiquiti Networks, Inc.
> Chicago Design Center
> 1250 S. Grove Ave. Ste. 100
> Barrington, IL 60010
> c: +1-847-652-0753
> o: +1-847-387-6790

>> On Sep 16, 2016, at 9:10 PM, Faisal Imtiaz < fai...@snappytelecom.net > 
>> wrote:
>> I was hoping to get an official answer, than trying to speculate.

>> Hopefully Alex from Ubiquiti will chime in.

>> I do have a few more questions, it is hard to extrapolate the answers from 
>> the
>> murky forums.

>> 1) Are these High/Low radios ? or will they use both for tx & rx as needed.

>> 2) The radios are using both polarities on both channels (MIMO / XPIC), can 
>> they
>> be configured to work as SISO ? i.e. just use one polarity based on channel
>> availability ?

>> Thank.

>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>> Miami, FL 33155
>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

>> - Original Message -

>>> From: "Jon Langeler" < jon-ispli...@michwave.net >
>>> To: "Ubiquiti Users Group" < ubnt_users@wispa.org >
>>> Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 11:37:14 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] AF11x Question.

>>> The good news is these appear to be high/low radios. Your essentially 
>>> getting an
>>> XPIC radio setup for the price of what would normally cost $18k. The 
>>> limitation
>>> is 56MHz channels. But even if only 40MHz, dual polarity yields a LOT.

>>> Jon Langeler
>>> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
>>> Direct 616.350.8080

>>>> On Sep 15, 2016, at 10:45 PM, Faisal Imtiaz < fai...@snappytelecom.net > 
>>>> wrote:

>>>> Yes, Seth.

>>>> But these are not "High / Low" radios...
>>>> They use both channels for TX & RX ... Please correct me if I am wrong.

>>>> Regards

>>>> Faisal Imtiaz
>>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>>>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>>>> Miami, FL 33155
>>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

>>>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

>>>> - Original Message -

>>>>> From: "Seth Mattinen" < se...@rollernet.us >
>>>>> To: "Ubiquiti Users Group" < ubnt_users@wispa.org >
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 1:15:32 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] AF11x Question.

>>>>>> On 9/15/16 10:08, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
>>>>>> 1) Are the AF11x going to have 'sync' capability so that the channel
>>>>>> freq can be reused by another AF11x pointing in a different direction ?

>>>>> That's not really a problem with high/low microwave. I don't know where
>>>>> people are getting the idea that it is or suddenly sync is needed, it's 
>>>>> not.

>>>>> Daniel said it better:

>>>>> http://afmug.com/pipermail/af/2015-October/034385.html

>>>>> ~Seth
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Re: [Ubnt_users] AF11x Question.

2016-09-18 Thread Alex Pavlos via Ubnt_users

Faisal,

1) The radio is common part of the system, but what is the varying factor is 
the duplexer that you associate with the radio.  So you would either be 
purchasing a High-Band or Low-Band “configuration”

2) Yes it can configured as a SISO device it is actually shipping in a SISO 
configuration if a user has the ability to coordinate both polarities then they 
would need to purchase the additional duplexer.

Regards,
-- 
Alex Pavlos
Ubiquiti Networks, Inc.
Chicago Design Center
1250 S. Grove Ave. Ste. 100
Barrington, IL 60010
c: +1-847-652-0753
o: +1-847-387-6790

> On Sep 16, 2016, at 9:10 PM, Faisal Imtiaz <fai...@snappytelecom.net> wrote:
> 
> I was hoping to get an official answer, than trying to speculate.
> 
> Hopefully Alex from Ubiquiti will chime in.
> 
> I do have a few more questions, it is hard to extrapolate the answers from 
> the murky forums.
> 
> 1) Are these High/Low radios ? or will they use both for tx & rx as needed.
> 
> 2) The radios are using both polarities on both channels (MIMO / XPIC), can 
> they be configured to work as SISO ? i.e. just use one polarity based on 
> channel availability ?
> 
> 
> Thank.
> 
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
> 
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
> 
> - Original Message -
>> From: "Jon Langeler" <jon-ispli...@michwave.net>
>> To: "Ubiquiti Users Group" <ubnt_users@wispa.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 11:37:14 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] AF11x Question.
> 
>> The good news is these appear to be high/low radios. Your essentially 
>> getting an
>> XPIC radio setup for the price of what would normally cost $18k. The 
>> limitation
>> is 56MHz channels. But even if only 40MHz, dual polarity yields a LOT.
>> 
>> Jon Langeler
>> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
>> Direct 616.350.8080
>> 
>>> On Sep 15, 2016, at 10:45 PM, Faisal Imtiaz <fai...@snappytelecom.net> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yes, Seth.
>>> 
>>> But these are not "High / Low" radios...
>>> They use both channels for TX & RX ... Please correct me if I am wrong.
>>> 
>>> Regards
>>> 
>>> Faisal Imtiaz
>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>>> Miami, FL 33155
>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>>> 
>>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>> 
>>> - Original Message -
>>>> From: "Seth Mattinen" <se...@rollernet.us>
>>>> To: "Ubiquiti Users Group" <ubnt_users@wispa.org>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 1:15:32 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] AF11x Question.
>>> 
>>>>> On 9/15/16 10:08, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
>>>>> 1) Are the AF11x going to have 'sync' capability so that the channel
>>>>> freq can be reused by another AF11x pointing in a different direction ?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> That's not really a problem with high/low microwave. I don't know where
>>>> people are getting the idea that it is or suddenly sync is needed, it's 
>>>> not.
>>>> 
>>>> Daniel said it better:
>>>> 
>>>> http://afmug.com/pipermail/af/2015-October/034385.html
>>>> 
>>>> ~Seth
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Re: [Ubnt_users] AF11x Question.

2016-09-16 Thread Mathew Howard

>From what I understand, they do function the same as normal full duplex 
>high/low radios, but they have  a adjustable diplexer so the same radio can 
>function as a high or low - but they do not appear to be capable of running in 
>half duplex mode and transmitting and receiving on the same channel at the 
>same time (like the other airFiber radios do, or a B11), thus no need for sync.
 

From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf of 
Faisal Imtiaz [fai...@snappytelecom.net]
Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 8:10 AM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] AF11x Question.

I was hoping to get an official answer, than trying to speculate.

Hopefully Alex from Ubiquiti will chime in.

I do have a few more questions, it is hard to extrapolate the answers from the 
murky forums.

1) Are these High/Low radios ? or will they use both for tx & rx as needed.

2) The radios are using both polarities on both channels (MIMO / XPIC), can 
they be configured to work as SISO ? i.e. just use one polarity based on 
channel availability ?


Thank.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

- Original Message -
> From: "Jon Langeler" <jon-ispli...@michwave.net>
> To: "Ubiquiti Users Group" <ubnt_users@wispa.org>
> Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 11:37:14 PM
> Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] AF11x Question.

> The good news is these appear to be high/low radios. Your essentially getting 
> an
> XPIC radio setup for the price of what would normally cost $18k. The 
> limitation
> is 56MHz channels. But even if only 40MHz, dual polarity yields a LOT.
>
> Jon Langeler
> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
> Direct 616.350.8080
>
>> On Sep 15, 2016, at 10:45 PM, Faisal Imtiaz <fai...@snappytelecom.net> wrote:
>>
>> Yes, Seth.
>>
>> But these are not "High / Low" radios...
>> They use both channels for TX & RX ... Please correct me if I am wrong.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>> Miami, FL 33155
>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>>
>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>
>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Seth Mattinen" <se...@rollernet.us>
>>> To: "Ubiquiti Users Group" <ubnt_users@wispa.org>
>>> Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 1:15:32 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] AF11x Question.
>>
>>>> On 9/15/16 10:08, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
>>>> 1) Are the AF11x going to have 'sync' capability so that the channel
>>>> freq can be reused by another AF11x pointing in a different direction ?
>>>
>>>
>>> That's not really a problem with high/low microwave. I don't know where
>>> people are getting the idea that it is or suddenly sync is needed, it's not.
>>>
>>> Daniel said it better:
>>>
>>> http://afmug.com/pipermail/af/2015-October/034385.html
>>>
>>> ~Seth
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Re: [Ubnt_users] AF11x Question.

2016-09-16 Thread Faisal Imtiaz

I was hoping to get an official answer, than trying to speculate.

Hopefully Alex from Ubiquiti will chime in.

I do have a few more questions, it is hard to extrapolate the answers from the 
murky forums.

1) Are these High/Low radios ? or will they use both for tx & rx as needed.

2) The radios are using both polarities on both channels (MIMO / XPIC), can 
they be configured to work as SISO ? i.e. just use one polarity based on 
channel availability ?


Thank.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

- Original Message -
> From: "Jon Langeler" <jon-ispli...@michwave.net>
> To: "Ubiquiti Users Group" <ubnt_users@wispa.org>
> Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 11:37:14 PM
> Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] AF11x Question.

> The good news is these appear to be high/low radios. Your essentially getting 
> an
> XPIC radio setup for the price of what would normally cost $18k. The 
> limitation
> is 56MHz channels. But even if only 40MHz, dual polarity yields a LOT.
> 
> Jon Langeler
> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
> Direct 616.350.8080
> 
>> On Sep 15, 2016, at 10:45 PM, Faisal Imtiaz <fai...@snappytelecom.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Yes, Seth.
>> 
>> But these are not "High / Low" radios...
>> They use both channels for TX & RX ... Please correct me if I am wrong.
>> 
>> Regards
>> 
>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>> Miami, FL 33155
>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>> 
>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>> 
>> ----- Original Message -
>>> From: "Seth Mattinen" <se...@rollernet.us>
>>> To: "Ubiquiti Users Group" <ubnt_users@wispa.org>
>>> Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 1:15:32 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] AF11x Question.
>> 
>>>> On 9/15/16 10:08, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
>>>> 1) Are the AF11x going to have 'sync' capability so that the channel
>>>> freq can be reused by another AF11x pointing in a different direction ?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> That's not really a problem with high/low microwave. I don't know where
>>> people are getting the idea that it is or suddenly sync is needed, it's not.
>>> 
>>> Daniel said it better:
>>> 
>>> http://afmug.com/pipermail/af/2015-October/034385.html
>>> 
>>> ~Seth
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Re: [Ubnt_users] AF11x Question.

2016-09-15 Thread Jon Langeler

The good news is these appear to be high/low radios. Your essentially getting 
an XPIC radio setup for the price of what would normally cost $18k. The 
limitation is 56MHz channels. But even if only 40MHz, dual polarity yields a 
LOT.

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.
Direct 616.350.8080

> On Sep 15, 2016, at 10:45 PM, Faisal Imtiaz <fai...@snappytelecom.net> wrote:
> 
> Yes, Seth.
> 
> But these are not "High / Low" radios... 
> They use both channels for TX & RX ... Please correct me if I am wrong.
> 
> Regards
> 
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
> 
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
> 
> - Original Message -
>> From: "Seth Mattinen" <se...@rollernet.us>
>> To: "Ubiquiti Users Group" <ubnt_users@wispa.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 1:15:32 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] AF11x Question.
> 
>>> On 9/15/16 10:08, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
>>> 1) Are the AF11x going to have 'sync' capability so that the channel
>>> freq can be reused by another AF11x pointing in a different direction ?
>> 
>> 
>> That's not really a problem with high/low microwave. I don't know where
>> people are getting the idea that it is or suddenly sync is needed, it's not.
>> 
>> Daniel said it better:
>> 
>> http://afmug.com/pipermail/af/2015-October/034385.html
>> 
>> ~Seth
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Re: [Ubnt_users] AF11x Question.

2016-09-15 Thread Seth Mattinen

On 9/15/16 7:45 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
> Yes, Seth.
>
> But these are not "High / Low" radios...
> They use both channels for TX & RX ... Please correct me if I am wrong.

I thought there was talk about how it had a field adjustable diplexer 
(which was a thing Exalt touted for single-unit sparing) which usually 
means high/low because literally that's what a diplexer does.

~Seth
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Re: [Ubnt_users] AF11x Question.

2016-09-15 Thread Faisal Imtiaz

Yes, Seth.

But these are not "High / Low" radios... 
They use both channels for TX & RX ... Please correct me if I am wrong.

Regards

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

- Original Message -
> From: "Seth Mattinen" <se...@rollernet.us>
> To: "Ubiquiti Users Group" <ubnt_users@wispa.org>
> Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 1:15:32 PM
> Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] AF11x Question.

> On 9/15/16 10:08, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
>> 1) Are the AF11x going to have 'sync' capability so that the channel
>> freq can be reused by another AF11x pointing in a different direction ?
> 
> 
> That's not really a problem with high/low microwave. I don't know where
> people are getting the idea that it is or suddenly sync is needed, it's not.
> 
> Daniel said it better:
> 
> http://afmug.com/pipermail/af/2015-October/034385.html
> 
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Re: [Ubnt_users] AF11x Question.

2016-09-15 Thread David Jones

The AF24 does 100mhz channels... Why would Ubiquiti choose to only support
56mhz with the AF11x? Our industry is demanding more and more bandwidth to
the customer... If I can get an 80mhz channel there is no way that I would
only use 56mhz of it.

I would spend more money on something capable of doing the full 80mhz with
the 1024QAM

At 56mhz and 1024QAM the AF11x should do right at 700mbps... its missing
300mbps. if they did 80mhz channels then it would actually do right around
1gbps.

Why not actually support 80mhz channels?

On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 11:55 AM, Jon Langeler <jon-ispli...@michwave.net>
wrote:

> If sync was set at 50% on a given system, you have no advantage over the
> current FDD system. You can go crazy with using the same channel all over
> the same tower. But it also has to be clear on the remote side.
>
> Also if you have a 56Mhz channel utilizing an 80MHz slot, I'm pretty sure
> the unused frequency could get utilized by another licensee. So if you
> change radios that support more bandwidth, you have to redo the FCC license.
>
> Jon Langeler
> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
> Direct 616.350.8080
>
> On Sep 15, 2016, at 1:08 PM, Faisal Imtiaz <fai...@snappytelecom.net>
> wrote:
>
> Hi Alex,
>
> Thanks for the reply.
>
> I am intrigued about the smaller channel size ... May I ask a few more
> questions ?
>
> 1) Are the AF11x going to have 'sync' capability so that the channel freq
> can be reused by another AF11x pointing in a different direction ?
>
> 2) is the 50Mhz/56Mhz  channel size limitation a "hardware limitation' or
> a ' software limitation' ?  Can we expect this to change in the near future
> ?
> or we are going to be always under-utilizing the 80Mhz channel with  the
> AF11x ?
>
> Regards.
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
> <supp...@snappytelecom.net>
>
> --
>
> *From: *"Ubiquiti Users Group" <ubnt_users@wispa.org>
> *To: *"Ubiquiti Users Group" <ubnt_users@wispa.org>
> *Sent: *Thursday, September 15, 2016 12:08:19 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [Ubnt_users] AF11x Question.
>
> Faisal,
>
> The FCC has channel pair designations for the smaller channel sizes.  We
> included those channel sizes if people wanted to coordinate links for
> smaller channel sizes if that was the best they could get for the towers
> that they have.  Keep in mind smaller channel sizes might be the only thing
> available which are specifically allowed that is right on the edges of the
> 10.7 - 11.7GHz range.  So why not provide that to customers?
>
> 50MHz and 56MHz are channels sizes that are configurable for our platform
> and are designated for the 80MHz allowance.  Keep in mind that our channel
> sizes achieve extremely high throughputs and use maximum power out for our
> radios.
>
> Regards,
> --
> Alex Pavlos
> Ubiquiti Networks, Inc.
> Chicago Design Center
>
>
> On Sep 15, 2016, at 8:51 PM, Faisal Imtiaz <fai...@snappytelecom.net>
> wrote:
>
> I have a question about the AF11x, maybe someone from Ubiquiti can chime
> in and clarify...
>
> Based on the FCC page there is a request for Emission designation at
> various channel sizes.
>
>   3.75Mhz / 5Mhz / 10Mhz/ 20 Mhz / 30Mhz / 40 Mhz /50Mhz / 56Mhz / 80Mhz
>
> but the test report only tests up to 56Mhz channel size  ?
>
> What am I missing here ?
> And I am curious why the 3.75Mhz/5Mhz/10Mhz  channel sizes ?
>
>
> Regards.
>
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
> <supp...@snappytelecom.net>
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Re: [Ubnt_users] AF11x Question.

2016-09-15 Thread Jon Langeler

If sync was set at 50% on a given system, you have no advantage over the 
current FDD system. You can go crazy with using the same channel all over the 
same tower. But it also has to be clear on the remote side.

Also if you have a 56Mhz channel utilizing an 80MHz slot, I'm pretty sure the 
unused frequency could get utilized by another licensee. So if you change 
radios that support more bandwidth, you have to redo the FCC license.

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.
Direct 616.350.8080

> On Sep 15, 2016, at 1:08 PM, Faisal Imtiaz <fai...@snappytelecom.net> wrote:
> 
> Hi Alex,
> 
> Thanks for the reply.   
> 
> I am intrigued about the smaller channel size ... May I ask a few more 
> questions ? 
> 
> 1) Are the AF11x going to have 'sync' capability so that the channel freq can 
> be reused by another AF11x pointing in a different direction ? 
> 
> 2) is the 50Mhz/56Mhz  channel size limitation a "hardware limitation' or a ' 
> software limitation' ?  Can we expect this to change in the near future ?
> or we are going to be always under-utilizing the 80Mhz channel with  the 
> AF11x ? 
> 
> Regards.
> 
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
> 
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
> 
> From: "Ubiquiti Users Group" <ubnt_users@wispa.org>
> To: "Ubiquiti Users Group" <ubnt_users@wispa.org>
> Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 12:08:19 PM
> Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] AF11x Question.
> Faisal,
> 
> The FCC has channel pair designations for the smaller channel sizes.  We 
> included those channel sizes if people wanted to coordinate links for smaller 
> channel sizes if that was the best they could get for the towers that they 
> have.  Keep in mind smaller channel sizes might be the only thing available 
> which are specifically allowed that is right on the edges of the 10.7 - 
> 11.7GHz range.  So why not provide that to customers?
> 
> 50MHz and 56MHz are channels sizes that are configurable for our platform and 
> are designated for the 80MHz allowance.  Keep in mind that our channel sizes 
> achieve extremely high throughputs and use maximum power out for our radios.
> 
> Regards,
> -- 
> Alex Pavlos
> Ubiquiti Networks, Inc.
> Chicago Design Center
> 
> 
> On Sep 15, 2016, at 8:51 PM, Faisal Imtiaz <fai...@snappytelecom.net> wrote:
> 
> I have a question about the AF11x, maybe someone from Ubiquiti can chime in 
> and clarify...
> 
> Based on the FCC page there is a request for Emission designation at various 
> channel sizes.
> 
>   3.75Mhz / 5Mhz / 10Mhz/ 20 Mhz / 30Mhz / 40 Mhz /50Mhz / 56Mhz / 80Mhz
> 
> but the test report only tests up to 56Mhz channel size  ? 
> 
> What am I missing here ?
> And I am curious why the 3.75Mhz/5Mhz/10Mhz  channel sizes ?
> 
> 
> Regards.
> 
> 
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
> 
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
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Re: [Ubnt_users] AF11x Question.

2016-09-15 Thread Seth Mattinen

On 9/15/16 10:08, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
> 1) Are the AF11x going to have 'sync' capability so that the channel
> freq can be reused by another AF11x pointing in a different direction ?

That's not really a problem with high/low microwave. I don't know where 
people are getting the idea that it is or suddenly sync is needed, it's not.

Daniel said it better:

http://afmug.com/pipermail/af/2015-October/034385.html

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Re: [Ubnt_users] AF11x Question.

2016-09-15 Thread Faisal Imtiaz

Hi Alex, 

Thanks for the reply. 

I am intrigued about the smaller channel size ... May I ask a few more 
questions ? 

1) Are the AF11x going to have 'sync' capability so that the channel freq can 
be reused by another AF11x pointing in a different direction ? 

2) is the 50Mhz/56Mhz channel size limitation a "hardware limitation' or a ' 
software limitation' ? Can we expect this to change in the near future ? 
or we are going to be always under-utilizing the 80Mhz channel with the AF11x ? 

Regards. 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: "Ubiquiti Users Group" <ubnt_users@wispa.org>
> To: "Ubiquiti Users Group" <ubnt_users@wispa.org>
> Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 12:08:19 PM
> Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] AF11x Question.

> Faisal,

> The FCC has channel pair designations for the smaller channel sizes. We 
> included
> those channel sizes if people wanted to coordinate links for smaller channel
> sizes if that was the best they could get for the towers that they have. Keep
> in mind smaller channel sizes might be the only thing available which are
> specifically allowed that is right on the edges of the 10.7 - 11.7GHz range. 
> So
> why not provide that to customers?

> 50MHz and 56MHz are channels sizes that are configurable for our platform and
> are designated for the 80MHz allowance. Keep in mind that our channel sizes
> achieve extremely high throughputs and use maximum power out for our radios.

> Regards,
> --
> Alex Pavlos
> Ubiquiti Networks, Inc.
> Chicago Design Center

>> On Sep 15, 2016, at 8:51 PM, Faisal Imtiaz < fai...@snappytelecom.net > 
>> wrote:

>> I have a question about the AF11x, maybe someone from Ubiquiti can chime in 
>> and
>> clarify...

>> Based on the FCC page there is a request for Emission designation at various
>> channel sizes.

>> 3.75Mhz / 5Mhz / 10Mhz/ 20 Mhz / 30Mhz / 40 Mhz /50Mhz / 56Mhz / 80Mhz

>> but the test report only tests up to 56Mhz channel size ?

>> What am I missing here ?
>> And I am curious why the 3.75Mhz/5Mhz/10Mhz channel sizes ?

>> Regards.

>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>> Miami, FL 33155
>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
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Re: [Ubnt_users] AF11x Question.

2016-09-15 Thread Mike Hammett

Just not actually using all of the 80 MHz, while throwing efficiency stones in 
a glass house. 




- 
Mike Hammett 

Intelligent Computing Solutions 


Midwest Internet Exchange 


The Brothers WISP 

- Original Message -

From: "Alex Pavlos via Ubnt_users" <ubnt_users@wispa.org> 
To: "Ubiquiti Users Group" <ubnt_users@wispa.org> 
Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 11:08:19 AM 
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] AF11x Question. 

Faisal, 


The FCC has channel pair designations for the smaller channel sizes. We 
included those channel sizes if people wanted to coordinate links for smaller 
channel sizes if that was the best they could get for the towers that they 
have. Keep in mind smaller channel sizes might be the only thing available 
which are specifically allowed that is right on the edges of the 10.7 - 11.7GHz 
range. So why not provide that to customers? 


50MHz and 56MHz are channels sizes that are configurable for our platform and 
are designated for the 80MHz allowance. Keep in mind that our channel sizes 
achieve extremely high throughputs and use maximum power out for our radios. 


Regards, 


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Ubiquiti Networks, Inc. 
Chicago Design Center 






On Sep 15, 2016, at 8:51 PM, Faisal Imtiaz < fai...@snappytelecom.net > wrote: 



I have a question about the AF11x, maybe someone from Ubiquiti can chime in and 
clarify... 

Based on the FCC page there is a request for Emission designation at various 
channel sizes. 

3.75Mhz / 5Mhz / 10Mhz/ 20 Mhz / 30Mhz / 40 Mhz /50Mhz / 56Mhz / 80Mhz 

but the test report only tests up to 56Mhz channel size ? 

What am I missing here ? 
And I am curious why the 3.75Mhz/5Mhz/10Mhz channel sizes ? 


Regards. 


Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 
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Re: [Ubnt_users] AF11x Question.

2016-09-15 Thread Alex Pavlos via Ubnt_users

Faisal,

The FCC has channel pair designations for the smaller channel sizes.  We 
included those channel sizes if people wanted to coordinate links for smaller 
channel sizes if that was the best they could get for the towers that they 
have.  Keep in mind smaller channel sizes might be the only thing available 
which are specifically allowed that is right on the edges of the 10.7 - 11.7GHz 
range.  So why not provide that to customers?

50MHz and 56MHz are channels sizes that are configurable for our platform and 
are designated for the 80MHz allowance.  Keep in mind that our channel sizes 
achieve extremely high throughputs and use maximum power out for our radios.

Regards,
-- 
Alex Pavlos
Ubiquiti Networks, Inc.
Chicago Design Center

> On Sep 15, 2016, at 8:51 PM, Faisal Imtiaz  wrote:
> 
> 
> I have a question about the AF11x, maybe someone from Ubiquiti can chime in 
> and clarify...
> 
> Based on the FCC page there is a request for Emission designation at various 
> channel sizes.
> 
>   3.75Mhz / 5Mhz / 10Mhz/ 20 Mhz / 30Mhz / 40 Mhz /50Mhz / 56Mhz / 80Mhz
> 
> but the test report only tests up to 56Mhz channel size  ? 
> 
> What am I missing here ?
> And I am curious why the 3.75Mhz/5Mhz/10Mhz  channel sizes ?
> 
> 
> Regards.
> 
> 
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
> 
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
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