Yes, very grue, what I ment is that if orca or anything else wich
comes with ubuntu does not improve enough that there should be another
option available even if it does not come with ubuntu. But yes orca
came a long way it seems.
On 07/01/2013, Nolan Darilek no...@thewordnerd.info wrote:
I don't see how it's so hard, or detramental to your points to remove the shiny
stuff line from a comment is hard, or in anyway takes away from the force of
what you are saying; butt burnout is burnout.
I wouldn't have even written to say that. I will say that you have just
discovered or
Check out the latest version of ChromeVox, it was just released in the
last few days, it again allows you to set the ChromeVox key, and has
more key mapping options, and just handles remapping of keys much more
slickly! It doesn't eliminate the issue of key map collisions, but it
does a lot to
Agreed as is often the case.
I will say that vinegar's fine, but well applied. Take that how you as the
readers will...lol.
I just want to add that no one has to take the lead, or decide they want to
take the lead to be of value in the fight. And if it turns out not to be a
fight and more of a
Hi KK and all,
I certainly was not trying to suggest that writing about Windows should be
anyone's focus in their interactions with Canonical execs, or any Linux devs.
On the other hand howeverknowing that others have managed to make important
bits accessible lets folks know that they need to
I do lots of things with my computer using Linux. Granted, my primary
distro is Arch Linux rather than Ubuntu, so I get all the latest stuff
as soon as it's released, but I don't use Windows, except the very rare
times when I need to print something, because I have yet to purchase a
good
Well said.
On 01/07/2013 03:14 PM, Kyle wrote:
I do lots of things with my computer using Linux. Granted, my primary
distro is Arch Linux rather than Ubuntu, so I get all the latest stuff
as soon as it's released, but I don't use Windows, except the very
rare times when I need to print
On 01/07/2013 02:51 PM, kendell clark wrote:
ouch. Pms, maybe?
Nope, just my zero tact and diplomacy rearing its head. If people like
their choices, then great. More power to them. But I have a short fuse
with being criticized for daring to question the status quo, or for
implying that
And yes, I agree, things are getting better. I never said they weren't,
nor have I said that they were bad. My primary point is that we're
seeing *lots* of companies backing QT for mobile accessibility,
Canonical being the latest of those, and we aren't seeing any commitment
by those companies
I agree with this sentiment. I'd only nit pick a few points. Canonical
isn't making money at all yet, let alone with Ubuntu Phone. That being
said, accessibility needs to be built in from the get though, and it
can't wait until Canonical is profitable or making money off of Ubuntu
Phone.
I don't
QT accessibility in Linux still has a long way to go. I'm not denying
this. However, giving credit where credit is due, QT accessibility has
made major improvements, going from near zero just 2 years ago to
something that in many cases is mostly usable, and even surpasses the
level of QT
Couldn't have said it better myself.
On 01/07/2013 06:21 PM, Kyle wrote:
QT accessibility in Linux still has a long way to go. I'm not denying
this. However, giving credit where credit is due, QT accessibility has
made major improvements, going from near zero just 2 years ago to
something
Thank you for this, Its good to no, and I agree with all said, its
just to me very unfortunet because I don't like the command line,
neither do I understand it, I have great respect for all older
computer users who noes these things better and who come out of the
dos era, as they no of a world
What do you mean by the statement ... also need perhaps more third
party access software if ubuntu won't incorporate one in their system?
Orca is included with Ubuntu and Speakup is built into the kernel used
by Ubuntu. Are you referring to the Ubuntu Phone or the Voxin text to
speech engine?
Great ideas and thoughts here, folks.
To put my words in context, I've used Linux since Slackware '96 which,
as its name implies, was released in 1996. I started using GNOME
accessibility in the Gnopernicus days, and at the moment it is my
full-time operating system of choice.
However, my
Whether you advocate for greater accessibility in Ubuntu or not is a
decision only you can make. I would not interpret the responses of two
or three people though to be all this talk of diplomacy and catching
more flies with honey is what people want. First, two or three people
is not all of
Thanks, Chris.
To be clear, my feelings about wanting to step back aren't due to your
thoughts, or to those of any on this list. I'm sorry if my writing makes
it appear otherwise, and I appreciate that you shared what you did.
I develop apps for Android. At the moment my big hobby project is
Hello Nolan,
The first article you have linked to has pings and comments disabled.
Maybe it is why your comment was rejected.
I have looked up a secretary email at the contact page of marks blog and
send my comment there in case it will be looked into.
Jonos article sounds verry exciting but
Below, you mention that Canonical is throwing resources at shiny things.
I'm not sure if you're referring to Ubuntu for the phone as a shiny
thing or not, but if you are or that's what you're implying then I'd
suggest refraining from that in your push to get more resources
committed to
All valid points, and while I agree in spirit, I'm not sure that I have
the patience or tact to worry about things like PR or perception. Are
they necessary? Perhaps, but my hope is that we don't have to keep
fighting these same fights from square one each time a new platform
emerges. After
Don't interpret my single post as representing the sentiment of this
list or the blindness community as a hole. I think to be successful,
you'll have to worry about PR and perception though, and my only advice
is that you'll have more success if you don't trivialize the work or
significance of
Very good point. I am not sure that shiny things reffed mobile Ubuntu, and
my first thought was not this; but even if a spiffier more polished graphical
experience was what was being talked about your take is still valid.
There are probably some less than ideal moves being made at
Terrible! I am appauled reading that your msg was marked spam.
Sadly, your friends and you are in the majority of blind computer users in
deciding that Windows meets their needs better than current Linux realeases due
to the lack of major progress of accessibility.i
There is no doubt that as
Well, for better or worse, out of sight, out of mind, seems to be standard
human behavior.
Hopefully a firm but gentle reminder about accessibility will be enough to get
an honest reaction from Canonical, but there's always the chance of yet
another fight on any given day; and a garanty of
Yes, you can have the eloquence voices on Linux systems. There are packages
built for DebianUbuntu, and I know that people have it working on other
distros as well, probably from the same tarballs, but don't remember for sure.
Try googling Voxin or oralux. (I may have the spelling wrong on that
Hello, Burt.
Your e-mail was accidentally sent to me, but not to the list. I am
forwarding your message to the list. I hope that this is alright.
Kind regards.
Take care.
On 01/04/2013 07:00 PM, B. Henry wrote:
Well, I certainly am behind, and if the opportunity presents itself
alongside
So if you wish to see Ubuntu accessibility improved, here are some blog
posts you might wish to comment on.
Here is Mark Shuttleworth's post on goals for 2013, not wishing to leave
anyone behind, and striving to be relevant to the types of computing
everyone wants to do. It's silly for a
Hello, Nolan.
When I first switched to Linux, I did so because I fell in love with
Ubuntu. Ubuntu is what I used (exclusively) until the accessibility
issues began to kick in. I am very appreciative of the hard work which
the Accessibility team puts into Ubuntu, and I understand that they are
I would like to organize some sort of advocacy effort to get Canonical
to take accessibility more seriously. I understand the limitations of
the current accessibility team, but if we look back at the state of
computing two years ago vs. today, any reasonable person would agree
that telling a
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