Re: [Bug 1] Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-10-21 Thread Tom
This bug report is not about how difficult or easy OSes are to install. It is about how difficult it is to buy a machine with a decent OS pre-installed. @ Martin I think we are agreeing but have semantic differences. Imo an install is not complete until the system is tweaked and made usable f

Re: [Bug 1] Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-10-21 Thread Martin Wildam
On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 11:04, Tom <1...@bugs.launchpad.net> wrote: > I find that after a decent install most people don't even notice that they are > using a different OS.  Firefox is there and the menus easy to navigate. > Documents open with a double-click. I don't fully agree - e.g. Movie play

Re: [Bug 1] Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-10-21 Thread Tom
cific point of this bug#1 because a 'pre-installed' linux is very easy to use. -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing l

Re: [Bug 1] Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-10-21 Thread Martin Wildam
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 20:37, Randall Ross (rrnwexec) wrote: > Did you bother to check which systems are certified first? > http://webapps.ubuntu.com/certification/ > > Think of your experiences in the Windows world. You likely have used > hardware that is stickered "Windows Ready", "Works with W

Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-10-21 Thread Tom
Hi :) There is not really any "must do" in linux. Linux seems to be about offering choices, about offering freedom OF choice. As we know Windows provides freedom FROM choice and so it is the preference for most people. I found the best way to learn how to install and use linux was to learn ho

Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-10-21 Thread Kip Warner
On Thu, 2010-10-21 at 05:19 +, Setve Gentilly wrote: > I would love nothing better than to replace some of these > people's unlicensed OS with Ubuntu. > But unfortunately I don't have the know how or experience to do that because > I don't find Ubuntu user friendly (from a Windows perspective).

Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-10-20 Thread Setve Gentilly
u and free software pre-installed. > > What should happen: > 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like > Ubuntu. > 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and > benefits would be apparent and known by all. > 3. The s

[Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-10-20 Thread Kip Warner
Beautifully said Randall. You touched the essence of why the consumer zombies just doesn't understand the world of free software. They generally just want to consume and produce nothing. -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification

[Bug 1] Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-10-20 Thread »John«
> If we (society) are "training" our students purely to be "users" (consumers) of software then we will see the exact effect that you describe (in the domain of OS'es and computing, at least). (Bug #1 has in effect created a whole generation of consumers who view

Re: [Bug 1] Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-10-20 Thread Randall Ross (rrnwexec)
ain of OS'es and computing, at least). (Bug #1 has in effect created a whole generation of consumers who view computers as a way to get to entertainment). We should instead be aiming to teach people to be creators and contributors, so their information access tools remain robust and enable any on

Re: [Bug 1] Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-10-20 Thread »John«
> This is not a Linux bug, but for some reason, Linux gets the blame, and Windows and the hardware manufactures get a pass. One more thing: I'm incredibly sorry to say so, but I forgot to mention that "that reason" is probably more and more people being stupid and getting more and more stupid as t

[Bug 1] Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-10-20 Thread »John«
> With bad drivers, you will get bit, whatever OS you run. > This is not a Linux bug, but for some reason, Linux gets the blame, and > Windows and the hardware manufactures get a pass. My point exactly. -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this

[Bug 1] Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-10-20 Thread houstonbofh
On 10/20/2010 04:41 PM, »John« wrote: > ... not to mention they probably won't even bother if the > particular operating system isn't used by what they believe to be enough > of their potential customers. I guess you can see why we have a problem > with that and every single operating system is gon

[Bug 1] Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-10-20 Thread »John«
Hi guys. I don't mean to be rude; I just want the message to be perfectly clear because we've been through this shit for like million times already and I'm simply getting sick and tired of hearing the same stupid whining over and over again. Bad hardware support is always caused by stupid hardware

[Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-10-20 Thread Bug Watch Updater
** Changed in: metacity Status: Unknown => In Progress ** Changed in: metacity Importance: Unknown => Low -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber.

Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-10-20 Thread Setve Gentilly
e very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed. > > > > What should happen: > > 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like > Ubuntu. > > 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and > benefits would be

Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-10-20 Thread Artem Karimov
Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed. > > What should happen: > 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like > Ubuntu. > 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and > benefits would be appar

Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-10-20 Thread Tom
Mzc, quite! My point exactly. The little bit that takes 1hr30 in Windows only takes 30 in Ubuntu with the difference that Ubuntu then has a stack of Office apps and stuff to use. Windows would be a little empty. -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You re

[Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-10-20 Thread Ben Shadwick
** Bug watch added: GNOME Bug Tracker #496536 https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=496536 ** Also affects: metacity via https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=496536 Importance: Unknown Status: Unknown -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/

Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-10-20 Thread Artem Karimov
ility of software developers to reach their full potential, >> globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry. >> >> Steps to repeat: >> >> 1. Visit a local PC store. >> >> What happens: >> 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free

Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-10-20 Thread Tom
If you choose quite a variety of hardware then Windows wont work. Entire ranges of cpu chips are supported by linux but not by Windows. Entire types of products perform really badly with Windows (such as netbooks) but work really fast with linux. All the space-station systems went down due t

Re: [Bug 1] Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-10-20 Thread Randall Ross (rrnwexec)
Quite true. If you've ever watched a new user work with Ubuntu, you'll likely have noticed that they have a much easier time than "experienced" computer users. No bad habits to unlearn, and they tend to involve themselves less with "tinkering" on unsupported (and uncertified) hardware. > You wan

Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-10-20 Thread Randall Ross (rrnwexec)
Not certified (yet). The complete list of Ubuntu-certified systems is here: http://webapps.ubuntu.com/certification/ On 10-10-20 12:05 PM, Setve Gentilly wrote: > Hi, one more time. > > Another example; I have a AMD system with an Ultra SCSI card from Tekram, > No flavor of Ubuntu will install on

Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-10-20 Thread mzc
ery few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed. > > What should happen: > 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like Ubuntu. > 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and benefits would be apparent and known by all. > 3.

[Bug 1] Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-10-20 Thread houstonbofh
On 10/20/2010 02:21 PM, Setve Gentilly wrote: > When I get a new system (which I get regularly) after it is assembled it > take me 1 to 1.5 hours to install Windows, the drivers and the necessary > software to get it to function at 100% efficiency. I don't have the time to > fart around and mess

Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-10-20 Thread Setve Gentilly
evident in the PC industry. >> >> Steps to repeat: >> >> 1. Visit a local PC store. >> >> What happens: >> 2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software >> pre-installed. >> 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free softwar

Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-10-20 Thread Tom
So 30mins to install Ubuntu against 1hr30 to install Windows. Did the Windows system then need upgrades or additional software? After the first round of updates and reboot were all the drivers, codecs and new programs all up-to-date and fully patched? Installing a system you know well (Windo

Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-10-20 Thread Randall Ross (rrnwexec)
Did you bother to check which systems are certified first? http://webapps.ubuntu.com/certification/ Think of your experiences in the Windows world. You likely have used hardware that is stickered "Windows Ready", "Works with Windows" etc. The Ubuntu world is no different, and Ubuntu does NOT work

Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-10-20 Thread Setve Gentilly
t a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software > pre-installed. > 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed. > > What should happen: > 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like > Ubuntu. > 2. Ubuntu should be marke

Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-10-20 Thread houstonbofh
On 10/20/2010 12:58 PM, Setve Gentilly wrote: > Hi, > I have 4 computers that I cannot even install Ubuntu on because Ubuntu does > not have the necessary drivers. > There are another 2 that I can install Ubuntu on but because the video > drivers are not very good they do not function at full capac

Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-10-20 Thread Setve Gentilly
d > benefits would be apparent and known by all. > 3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes. > > > > To unsubscribe from this bug, go to: > https://bugs.launchpad.net/clubdistro/+bug/1/+subscribe > > -- Microsoft has a majority market share htt

[Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-10-20 Thread kredh
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[Bug 632293] Re: ubuntu "certified" hardware misleading, and key contributor to lack of progress on bug #1

2010-10-08 Thread Mervin Beng
I am also affected by this bug (Vostro V13 touchpad not recognized). Please fix it, as the V13 was purchased only for use with Ubuntu. -- ubuntu "certified" hardware misleading, and key contributor to lack of progress on bug #1 https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/632293 You receive

[Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-10-07 Thread Martin Dušička
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[Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-09-27 Thread inciertopj
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[Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-09-24 Thread yajo
This is also very widespread in Spain. Some months ago I bought a computer and it was absolutely impossible to find one without this bug. I had to fix it manually. Patch: # sudo apt-get remove windows -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this b

[Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-09-22 Thread Robert Collins
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[Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-09-09 Thread Bug Watch Updater
** Changed in: gnome-screensaver Importance: Unknown => Low -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubunt

[Bug 632293] Re: ubuntu "certified" hardware misleading, and key contributor to lack of progress on bug #1

2010-09-07 Thread Marc Deslauriers
s to cross privilege boundaries nor directly cause loss of data/privacy. Please feel free to report any other bugs you may find. ** This bug is no longer flagged as a security vulnerability -- ubuntu "certified" hardware misleading, and key contributor to lack of progress on bug #1 https:

[Bug 632293] [NEW] ubuntu "certified" hardware misleading, and key contributor to lack of progress on bug #1

2010-09-07 Thread Launchpad Bug Tracker
You have been subscribed to a public bug by Marc Deslauriers (mdeslaur): Binary package hint: xserver-xorg-input-synaptics a few related bugs: 1, 611992, 556019, 483121, 380126, 191024, many, many more, unassigned, undecided, unassigned... synopsis: bug #1 has much to do with hardware oem&#

[Bug 632293] [NEW] ubuntu "certified" hardware misleading, and key contributor to lack of progress on bug #1

2010-09-07 Thread fuggum
*** This bug is a security vulnerability *** Public security bug reported: Binary package hint: xserver-xorg-input-synaptics a few related bugs: 1, 611992, 556019, 483121, 380126, 191024, many, many more, unassigned, undecided, unassigned... synopsis: bug #1 has much to do with hardware oem&#

[Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-09-05 Thread wlx
** Branch linked: lp:~wangliangxu/+junk/prl ** Branch unlinked: lp:~wangliangxu/+junk/prl -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing

[Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-09-04 Thread Bug Watch Updater
** Changed in: gnome-screensaver Status: Unknown => Won't Fix -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists

[Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-09-04 Thread Sam Liddicott
** Bug watch added: GNOME Bug Tracker #316654 https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=316654 ** Also affects: gnome-screensaver via https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=316654 Importance: Unknown Status: Unknown -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launc

[Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-09-03 Thread Launchpad Bug Tracker
** Branch linked: lp:~kubuntu-members/kdenetwork/ubuntu -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com h

Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-09-02 Thread Tom
"The time I invested into Linux". I think this is a crucial difference. With linux any time spent in dealing with problems is an investment that can be built on and stays relevant to future releasea/versions and even side-ways onto different distros. With Windows it often seems to lead to a

Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-09-02 Thread Martin Wildam
After all the critics on Ubuntu or it's community - I want to clearly state, that 1. I appreciate the community A LOT! It gives me a good feeling of not being left alone with the computer problems. And I know what I am talking about because I experienced also the prior-internet times where I was p

[Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-09-01 Thread Anol.P
** Branch linked: lp:~beagleboard-kernel/+junk/2.6-stable-dsp ** Branch unlinked: lp:~beagleboard-kernel/+junk/2.6-stable-dsp -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct s

Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-08-31 Thread Tom
Hi :) I was looking for this for a previous post about the meaning of the word "hack" http://catb.org/jargon/html/meaning-of-hack.html Found the right page at last and thought some people here might enjoy some of the rest of the stories and stuff in there Good luck and regards from Tom :) -- Mi

[Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-08-29 Thread Bilal Akhtar
We never tolerate such stupid comments and/or bug changes/closures. Bug 1 will be open until we overcome Windows' marketshare or the world ends. ** Changed in: ubuntu Status: Invalid => In Progress -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You

[Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-08-29 Thread NoaHall
Won't fix. ** Changed in: ubuntu Status: In Progress => Invalid -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@li

RE: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-08-27 Thread Faldegast
> On 08/26/2010 11:46 AM, Faldegast wrote: > > > Yes. We should strive to have as much hardware as possible. But still > > without valuable time and money to support vendors that ignore us. > > Linux/Android phones with official Linux drivers and documentation > > should be supported, and so shou

Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-08-27 Thread houstonbofh
On 08/27/2010 11:28 AM, Faldegast wrote: > Its not a shining example of FOSS but its still Linux and far more FOSS then others. By the way thank you for the link, i have been locking for something like this. By the number of products they seam to have I would guess that the project have been a suc

Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-08-27 Thread houstonbofh
On 08/26/2010 11:46 AM, Faldegast wrote: > Yes. We should strive to have as much hardware as possible. But still > without valuable time and money to support vendors that ignore us. > Linux/Android phones with official Linux drivers and documentation > should be supported, and so should Linux rout

Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-08-27 Thread Tom
I think the main advantage is more eyeballs on the code and devs earning respect when they write good code.  Pride in one's work and admiration in other people's code lead to some OpenSource devs earning almost Rock-God status and others hiding behind apologies for temporary kludges.  If you k

RE: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-08-27 Thread Faldegast
> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 07:33:02 + > From: 1...@bugs.launchpad.net > To: faldeg...@hotmail.com > Subject: Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share > > On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 17:46, Faldegast <1...@bugs.launchpad.net> wrote: > > Yes. We should s

Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-08-27 Thread Martin Wildam
On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 10:37, Tom <1...@bugs.launchpad.net> wrote: > One thing about linux is that elegant code is often > easily carried through into subsequent releases and kludges gradually get > replaced with more elegant code. If you want to hear interesting things about the advantage of ope

Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-08-27 Thread Tom
I really enjoyed the last several posts where i had no idea what was being talked about but it's good to have people with that level of relevant detailed knowledge contributing to a thread. When we see the term "hacker" a lot of people still think of the way the mainstream press and news report

Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-08-27 Thread Martin Wildam
On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 17:46, Faldegast <1...@bugs.launchpad.net> wrote: > Yes. We should strive to have as much hardware as possible. But still > without valuable time and money to support vendors that ignore us. Full ACK, the vendors that continously ignore the Linux/Ubuntu community should be

RE: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-08-26 Thread Faldegast
> Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 07:42:30 + > From: 1...@bugs.launchpad.net > To: faldeg...@hotmail.com > Subject: Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share > > On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 23:46, Faldegast <1...@bugs.launchpad.net> wrote: > > This is where Appl

Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-08-26 Thread Martin Wildam
On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 23:46, Faldegast <1...@bugs.launchpad.net> wrote: > This is where Apple got it right. They dont make OS X work with all > hardware. They say "this is how Mac hardware works" and then they let > everyone that complies get to be called "Mac hardware". I tend to agree with you

[Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-08-25 Thread Mark Matheson
** Branch linked: lp:~mark-marathonsoftware/+junk/coacheslog ** Branch unlinked: lp:~mark-marathonsoftware/+junk/coacheslog -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct sub

RE: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-08-25 Thread Faldegast
of their products. In fact, > by continually mentioning their names and products we give them > additional free word-of-mouth advertising. The best way to gain > mindshare (and fix Bug #1) is to focus on what Ubuntu does best and > continually reinforce that message, politefully, and tactfu

Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-08-24 Thread Martin Wildam
nually mentioning their names and products we give them > additional free word-of-mouth advertising. The best way to gain > mindshare (and fix Bug #1) is to focus on what Ubuntu does best and > continually reinforce that message, politefully, and tactfully. I agree with you - although I d

Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-08-23 Thread Randall Ross (rrnwexec)
mouth advertising. The best way to gain mindshare (and fix Bug #1) is to focus on what Ubuntu does best and continually reinforce that message, politefully, and tactfully. On 10-08-23 07:20 AM, Tom wrote: > I have often found troubles with the new Windows in the first year of it's > releaes

Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-08-23 Thread Tom
I have often found troubles with the new Windows in the first year of it's releaes.   They tend to act a lot like alpha releases except you have to buy them for a price and there is little or no support ("blame the user", "that error message does not exist" etc) let alone efficient means of bug

Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-08-23 Thread Martin Wildam
On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 14:05, houstonbofh <1...@bugs.launchpad.net> wrote: > Amusingly enough, I was hooking up a fairly new HP printer last night. > Works in Linux with no trouble.  Works in XP with no trouble.  Could not > find a driver.  Windows 7, 64bit.  You know why, and I know why, but the

Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-08-23 Thread houstonbofh
On 08/23/2010 05:23 AM, Martin Wildam wrote: > Just to give an example: Somebody not knowing much of > computers can buy yet another hardware gadget without the need to > worry about compatibility with the OS. Everywhere is written if > Windows 7 compatibility is given - but quite nobody writes >

Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-08-23 Thread Martin Wildam
On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 11:40, Tom <1...@bugs.launchpad.net> wrote: > MicroSquish Office has plenty of bugs too.  My favourite is in Excel where > [...] Of course, it has also plenty of bugs (and I mentioned that) - e.g. my favorite Excel-bug is: It can't handle negative times. Guess, in my room

Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-08-23 Thread Tom
MicroSquish Office has plenty of bugs too.  My favourite is in Excel where people autosum a column of figures directly under the column and then try to insert a row at the bottom.  Sometimes it gets included in the total but usually it doesn't.  Word keeps switching formatting, dictionaries and

Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-08-23 Thread Martin Wildam
On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 10:58, Graham wrote: > My Gran always warmed to pot before brewing tea. > > I have made her tea several times without warming the pot. > She never complained about my tea, in fact she said it was quite nice. > > She saw me doing it once and complained. > "But I never warm t

[Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-08-20 Thread bmort
** Branch linked: lp:~ben-mort/+junk/wfit -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.u

RE: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-08-19 Thread Faldegast
> Hi again > > The point i was trying to make is that hardware does not neatly fall into 1 > of > the 2 categories > > category 1 being "supported" and > category 2 being unsupported > > There are questions about firmware or hardwiring and then drivers that have > restricted functionality b

Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-08-19 Thread Tom
Hi again The point i was trying to make is that hardware does not neatly fall into 1 of the 2 categories category 1 being "supported" and category 2 being unsupported There are questions about firmware or hardwiring and then drivers that have restricted functionality because some or all of th

RE: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-08-19 Thread Faldegast
> Hi :) > > I would favour a simple traffic light type logo endorsing products or > services. > An expert in hardware issues (particularly printers) pointed out (in a > DistroWatch article) that the Free Software Foundation already has a 5 lights > system which is slightly flawed but could b

Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-08-19 Thread Tom
Regarding "killer apps" my company has kindly allowed me to use Ubuntu when i boot a LiveCd or Usb session and a couple of times has expressed in having a look at what i can do, at some point when they have some free time and nothing else to do (will never happen, hopefully). However GnuCash

Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-08-19 Thread Tom
Hi :) I would favour a simple traffic light type logo endorsing products or services. An expert in hardware issues (particularly printers) pointed out (in a DistroWatch article) that the Free Software Foundation already has a 5 lights system which is slightly flawed but could be re-arranged.

RE: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-08-19 Thread Faldegast
> Why can't Ubuntu local communities create a database of local stores in > their area to guide people interested in Ubuntu. Also we can create a list > of peripherals accepted by the kernel and are sold by these local stores. > This way, we can help fellow Ubuntu users to achieve to "just works"

RE: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-08-19 Thread Faldegast
> Hi, > > When i compare to apple's way of selling, i don't mean that ubuntu should > close it's sources (how can he ?), close it's format, or make a big marketing > campaign (well, in fact, why not ?). > But I mean that it is easyer to earn money when you sell a complete system > (what apple

[Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-08-18 Thread Carl Richell
@Randall & @Mark > The certified hardware section of the site mentions company > names like HP, Dell, Toshiba, etc. while missing out companies > like System76 that actually sell Ubuntu computers. > http://webapps.ubuntu.com/certification/ > After reviewing the link. It does not match what syst

[Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-08-18 Thread torpedolos
Having a list of all good sellers, or even all of them, is nothing as long as the sellers sell their computer with a higher or at least egal price than with windows. Which is actually the case today. Let me ask you some questions: - How many of us will be obliged to buy a new windows licence wh

Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-08-18 Thread mzc
it corrects itself constantly... If you have a problem, you can ask canonical and have a customer-seller relation. If you want to try a new thing or develop a software, you get the support of the communauty ! I think a product like that with a good marketing campaign, would have a great impact,

[Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-08-18 Thread torpedolos
have a great impact, and help solve bug#1. Don't you ? -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bu

[Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-08-18 Thread torpedolos
Hi, When i compare to apple's way of selling, i don't mean that ubuntu should close it's sources (how can he ?), close it's format, or make a big marketing campaign (well, in fact, why not ?). But I mean that it is easyer to earn money when you sell a complete system (what apple makes) that wh

RE: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-08-18 Thread Faldegast
> Computer stores are usually tied up with Microsoft in their sales/discount. > It boils up to risks presented to stores such as if they sell Linux they may > lose their "discount/promo" from Microsoft. Will the demand for other > platforms counter this risk? I don't know. It will take a big te

Re: RE: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-08-18 Thread mzc
; 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed. > > What should happen: > 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like Ubuntu. > 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and benefits would be apparent and know

RE: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-08-18 Thread Faldegast
> I think the idea about Cannonical selling hardware with Ubuntu tailored to it > is > not such a bad idea. There seems to be a gap in the market at local level. > Dell and others sell machines with Ubuntu pre-installed and there are a lot > of > Dell machines being sold in computer shops l

Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-08-18 Thread Tom
Hi :) I think the idea about Cannonical selling hardware with Ubuntu tailored to it is not such a bad idea. There seems to be a gap in the market at local level. Dell and others sell machines with Ubuntu pre-installed and there are a lot of Dell machines being sold in computer shops locally

Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-08-18 Thread houstonbofh
On 08/17/2010 10:11 PM, mzc wrote: > Well I guess it's still up to all Ubuntu community members to really promote > OEMs and create demand for them. And support them. Next to me right now I have 2 fully loaded Eland Pro systems with 10 hot plug drives, and 3ware raid. Very well built boxes, an

Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-08-18 Thread houstonbofh
On 08/17/2010 06:46 PM, Martin Wildam wrote: > I am with you partly. I don't think that Canonical should be really > enter hardware manufactoring. I think it would be sufficient to have > some official recommendations of hardware combinations (maybe which > are specifically tested). There could be

[Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-08-18 Thread Graham
My Gran always warmed to pot before brewing tea. I have made her tea several times without warming the pot. She never complained about my tea, in fact she said it was quite nice. She saw me doing it once and complained. "But I never warm the pot, Gran" Did she: A. Complain that she always though

Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-08-17 Thread mzc
de only free software like > Ubuntu. > 2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and > benefits would be apparent and known by all. > 3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes. > > > > To unsubscribe from this bug, go to

Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-08-17 Thread Randall Ross (rrnwexec)
@Mark That's true. system76 is likely in a different category. I assume they are in the new "Ubuntu-ready" category which just popped up recently on the certification site. I will be sure to ask them though. Or maybe they'll chime in :) Cheers, Randall. -- Microsoft has a majority market share h

Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-08-17 Thread mzc
that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software > pre-installed. > 3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed. > > What should happen: > 1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like > Ubuntu. > 2. Ubuntu should be mark

Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-08-17 Thread Martin Wildam
On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 01:04, Randall Ross (rrnwexec) wrote: > It's done. > Please refer to the official list of hardware. Please direct everyone > you know to do the same. > http://webapps.ubuntu.com/certification/ You are my hero - thanks 1000 times. And now I found the link at the very bottom

RE: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-08-17 Thread Faldegast
> > It means that the OS of apple doesn't need to be able to work on every > > platform, with every proc, every graphic or sound card, etc > > And I want it running on different hardware - desktops, servers, > notebooks, netbooks, ... - oh yes, even mobile phones and routers. > > That said..

Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-08-17 Thread Randall Ross (rrnwexec)
It's done. Please refer to the official list of hardware. Please direct everyone you know to do the same. http://webapps.ubuntu.com/certification/ On 10-08-17 03:46 PM, Martin Wildam wrote: > > I am with you partly. I don't think that Canonical should be really > enter hardware manufactoring. I t

Re: [Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-08-17 Thread Martin Wildam
On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 20:55, torpedolos <1...@bugs.launchpad.net> wrote: > It means that the OS of apple doesn't need to be able to work on every > platform, with every proc, every graphic or sound card, etc And I want it running on different hardware - desktops, servers, notebooks, netbooks

[Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-08-17 Thread torpedolos
Hello, Excuse-me, but i just had an idea that you must certainly allready think about, but i fell that i have to tell you: Well, let's look at apple, it is getting bigger everyday. One of the "key card" of apple is that they sell software and hardware. They aren't "just" a software-seller. It me

[Bug 1] Re: Microsoft has a majority market share

2010-08-14 Thread Hervé Proust - www . kazacube . com
** Branch linked: lp:~hproust/+junk/projet2 ** Branch unlinked: lp:~hproust/+junk/projet2 -- Microsoft has a majority market share https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing

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