Although I do agree that some of the comments are a bit harsh, I also
fear that if enough people do not squawk, and squawk loudly, this will
be dropped.
Many of the devs have come on here and shrugged this off with the
statement, You have a way to get the old functionality back so what is
the big
Peter: An apology is irrelevant, IMO, and I think that Mark has been
*remarkably* loyal to an idea and a developer that are totally off the
beam on this issue.
I'm continually amazed that people keep finding this bug, since every
effort has been made to squelch it, from renaming it from the
There was one dev that came here and stated (and to which I agree)
that if the devs kept listening to everyones complaints Ubuntu
wouldn't have changed since 4.10. There are those that are truly
resistant to change and constantly badger devs because they didn't get
what they wanted. On that
Mark Shuttleworth wrote on 2009-03-27:
Nothing like a healthy debate.
Mark Shuttleworth on 2009-03-27
update-notifier (Ubuntu Jaunty) status: Confirmed → Won't Fix
Sorry, but it doesn't seem like you want a debate. I'm just a plain old user
of Ubuntu, and I highly disagree with
If you want to see how average users disagree with the change as well,
just visit ubuntuusers.de:
http://ikhaya.ubuntuusers.de/2009/03/31/update-notifier-und-die-
heimliche-revolution-in-jaunty/ (German)
** Description changed:
I am referring to the removal up the update-notifier in the Gnome
Sorry, I did not read all the comments, but here are my 2 cents:
I honestly thought I might have a virus when the Update Manager came up,
and did not trust it as a valid application. This is very strange
behavior, and will be quite a shock to anyone who has used a previous
version of Ubuntu, or
I'm afraid I'm another user against this change but enough people has
already started very good arguments. The only reason I post now is to
point out what someone must surely already have spotted, that the
Ubuntu Desktop Edition web page (here
I find it quite novel that the page Paul references[1] has this quote:
Quick and easy updates
The task bar contains an update area where we'll notify you when there
are updates available for your system, from simple security fixes to a
complete version upgrade. The update facility enables you to
Good spot Paul - i just opened bug 367411 for that
--
[Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information
https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/332945
You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu
Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu.
--
ubuntu-bugs mailing
I had thought this was just a bug in the beta version, but I did not
know which package to report it against. Now I've read this and I am
totally outraged by this deliberate regression.
As for Mark Shuttleworth's ludicrous assumption that only coding experts
want the previous default behavior, it
James Dowden wrote:
I had thought this was just a bug in the beta version, but I did not
know which package to report it against. Now I've read this and I am
totally outraged by this deliberate regression.
As for Mark Shuttleworth's ludicrous assumption that only coding experts
want the
On Sun, 2009-04-26 at 21:38 +, mac_v wrote:
a bit too harsh there pal...
Harsh? Perhaps. But given the comparative levels of user frustration and
development intransigence, the frustration is understandable.
asking the devs for an apology, is way out there!!!
Absolutely not. At this
please disable the popup update manager window , couz its really useless, and
very-very annoying
uuuh it give me high temper . :(
who is giving the idea of this popup , i thing he never working
--
[Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information
though i'm not a fan of these pop-unders,
if any one wants to have the update manager launch immediately when
updates are available,use this
$ gconftool -s --type string /apps/update-
notifier/regular_auto_launch_interval 0
the default is set to 7 days, but when this key is set to 0 the
updates
a good workaround for this should be to change update manager add/remove
software by package kit
--
[Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information
https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/332945
You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu
Bugs, which is
Oi, this is surely not going well...
--
[Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information
https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/332945
You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu
Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu.
--
ubuntu-bugs mailing list
I can not even begin to describe how annoying and unneeded that change is, its
a step back in usability.
Just look at all the comments in the bugreport.
Revert this, and whoever signed off on that change should be spanked,
hard.
--
[Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status
Il giorno ven, 24/04/2009 alle 09.43 +, hurga ha scritto:
Revert this, and whoever signed off on that change should be spanked,
hard.
I would not want _these persons_ to be spanked. In any case ubuntu
developers have done an extremely good job across the years. Dapper was
nothing more
+1 here, I'm not against the popup / pop-under / pop-taskbar idea. But I
like the notification icon, too. I would opt for keeping the old
behaviour and adding a checkbox or something, so people can choose
between whatever they like, the default being this new behaviour.
--
[Jaunty] Update
I just want to add my concern about this change. I think the
popup/under whatever alone is not a good idea. This will either be a
distraction while trying to get work done, or get lost under all my
windows. I would definitely want to turn that pop up off if possible.
The upgrade/security update
Just to give my two cents on the subject: I'm in favour of keeping the
notification icon for a simple reason. Someone (I don't remember if
Mark or someone else) mentioned, from what I got, that the
notification area has been used by applications, and to avoid
confusion we should remove it from
It occurs to me that notification changes should have been handled in
the same way as upstart changes, the availability of ext4. compiz
effects, etc.
In other words, do the work, enable the capability, but don't turn it
on. Not yet. Certainly don't make it the default!
Get it going, then invite
Wow, this was completely unnecessary. I stumbled across this bug just
today after installing Jaunty last night, and decided to check Update
Manager and I had loads of updates which weren't being displayed. No
notification, no information whatsoever that there were updates
available. I cannot
Roshan: That is a separate issue - see bug #356152 for more details.
--
[Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information
https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/332945
You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu
Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu.
--
I've read bug #356152, if in addition the new scheme is buggy and
unfinished, please, please, go back, revert the gconf variable for
jaunty and rethink for karmic.
I'm really convinced it's a very critical and visible part of the
system, if it's not really clean and clear, it's not a good thing
I believe Roshan was talking about the notificaion area:
I cannot imagine why getting rid of an updates _notification_
in a _notification area_ was reasonable. This is very annoying.
Maybe you should read his post again.
Jonathan Davies wrote:
Roshan: That is a separate issue - see bug #356152
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1
Stanislaw Pitucha wrote:
Yeah... affects me too.
why doesnt canonical add a voting system where the users can vote for a
feature...
the new notification system is good, but poorly planned...
the *devs could have held off the app push atleast
I think it's amazing that almost every single post on on this bug
doesn't want this new method, and thats just the people who
have taken the time to find/write a bug report
and yet what the users wanted is as good as ignored
pop up/under box's are evil
if a window pops up with out there been
2009/4/20 mac_v drkv...@yahoo.com:
why doesnt canonical add a voting system where the users can vote for a
feature...
http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/
Just because something is popular, doesn't make it right.
--
[Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information
2009/4/20 mac_v drkv...@yahoo.com:
why doesnt canonical add a voting system where the users can vote for a
feature...
http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/
Just because something is popular, doesn't make it right.
I'm not sure building a feature everybody dislikes is better...
--
Alan Pope wrote:
http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/
Just because something is popular, doesn't make it right.
@alan
i'v know about brain storm...
but its for new ideas and implementation...
i suggest for voting already implemented new features...
i understand that popular doesnt mean right...
xpd259 wrote:
a simple notification bubble been shown every x min is more then enough
to notify a user to update with out intruding on the users desktop
+1
^ this is a lovely idea... xpd i hope u can add this to the notify-osd
comments section
--
[Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would
We need at least some permanent notification of updates, reboot required
and application restart required. These can be flashed up using the new
system but in addition to a permanent notification.
--
[Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information
s/everybody/a vocal minority/
Regarding the number of duplicates and comments, I don't believe it's a
vocal minority. And regarding all the opposition, maybe a kind of survey
would be nice to be sure the feature is benefic to Ubuntu users or not.
At least I find it's premature to enable this
Dear friends,
Please excuse me for not reading everything before asking this question.
I've just reported a bug which turns out to be a duplicate of this one.
Now, what I reported was that I don't get notified of upgrades. So
again, I'm sorry that I'm not going to read everything here.
I just
2009/4/20 Philippe Escarbassière phil_...@club-internet.fr:
I'm not sure building a feature everybody dislikes is better...
s/everybody/a vocal minority/
--
[Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information
https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/332945
You received this bug
a vocal minority?
Take all ubuntu users:
- leave only jaunty testers
- leave only people who actually noticed that anything is wrong
- take away people who don't usually report bugs at all
those people will be a minority for sure and they are vocal, because
they report bug. Everyone commenting
Sorry, I really want to be precise here:
not leave only people who actually noticed that anything is wrong
but leave only people who noticed that there are updates available, but there
is no update icon
--
[Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information
+1 please do a survey or make a poll available for users to vote. There
are currently about 20 bugs with (from what I see) the majority of the
people complaining about it. This is not a minor thing.
--
[Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information
Il giorno lun, 20/04/2009 alle 09.27 +, Alan Pope ha scritto:
I'm not sure building a feature everybody dislikes is better...
s/everybody/a vocal minority/
This comment is anti-scientific. Either you invent a survey and convince
users (ubuntu or launchpad users, and it makes a
a vocal minority... that it's too much for me !
I'm not sure it's ubuntu to treat your alpha/beta/rc testers in this
way.
How many comments and how many duplicates will it take for you to
realize that you are wrong (and jaunty is not yet released)? Many people
took the time to argue to prove you
xpd259 wrote:
a simple notification bubble been shown every x min is more then enough
to notify a user to update with out intruding on the users desktop
@Matthew Paul Thomas , Alan Pope
consider this idea instead of the pop-under... i understand this is not
immediately possible, but hope
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1
Alan Pope wrote:
2009/4/20 Philippe EscarbassiÚre phil_...@club-internet.fr:
I'm not sure building a feature everybody dislikes is better...
s/everybody/a vocal minority/
yeah maybe we are the minority who think that they can improve this
Alan Pope wrote:
2009/4/20 Philippe EscarbassiÚre phil_...@club-internet.fr:
I'm not sure building a feature everybody dislikes is better...
s/everybody/a vocal minority/
yeah maybe we are the minority who think that they can improve this
linux flavor , but signing up for an account ,
It would be helpful, I think, if people could try not to use devs or
developers here as if all the Ubuntu developers got together and
decided this. The notify-osd system was designed and implemented by
Canonical and they should get the credit/flames for it. Developers are
also users and in this
simple answer .. unofficial answer but
here is a poll
http://www.doodle.com/h7shad47ffgpxpyq
--
[Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information
https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/332945
You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu
Bugs, which is
Il giorno lun, 20/04/2009 alle 14.37 +, xpd259 ha scritto:
simple answer .. unofficial answer but
here is a poll
http://www.doodle.com/h7shad47ffgpxpyq
Am I reading Mark Shuttleworth voting for the old-style notification?
Perhaps a poll with launchpad authentication would be
@Jonathan
I didn't speak about developers. I'm a developer myself and I try not to
bash other developers and respect their work. But I listen to users
feedback too.
In this case, even if 221 votes are not a proof (plus other forum posts
and wiki comments), it's clearly an indication this new
+1.
I dislike not having the Update Notifier.
In two weeks on Jaunty I have never noticed an update notice. Not
once. That's bad IMHO.
--
[Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information
https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/332945
You received this bug notification because you
** Project changed: ubuntu-release-notes = null
--
[Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information
https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/332945
You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu
Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu.
--
ubuntu-bugs mailing list
2009/4/20 xpd259 xpd...@gmail.com
simple answer .. unofficial answer but
here is a poll
http://www.doodle.com/h7shad47ffgpxpyq
Well, it's conclusive, obviously - 25 people have voted in favour of the old
system so far, including Bill Gates, The Real Slim Shady and the Big Bird
off of Sesame
Now, since it's too late to revert a default gconf value
Really? This is probably the only issue I've seen through the last
couple of releases that affects everyone, in everyday usage scenarios,
was security related (security updates might go unnoticed) and was
disagreed with that much. Maybe I
Philippe, if we made only changes that were welcome to everybody, we
wouldn't have changed anything since Ubuntu 4.10.
--
[Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information
https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/332945
You received this bug notification because you are a member of
Vincenzo Ciancia wrote:
Il giorno lun, 20/04/2009 alle 14.37 +, xpd259 ha scritto:
simple answer .. unofficial answer but
here is a poll
http://www.doodle.com/h7shad47ffgpxpyq
Am I reading Mark Shuttleworth voting for the old-style notification?
Perhaps a poll with
On Mon, 2009-04-20 at 15:01 +, Philippe Escarbassière wrote:
@Jonathan
I didn't speak about developers. I'm a developer myself and I try not to
bash other developers and respect their work. But I listen to users
feedback too.
I wasn't picking you out in particular, I'm just hoping to
On Mon, 2009-04-20 at 15:34 +, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote:
Philippe, if we made only changes that were welcome to everybody, we
wouldn't have changed anything since Ubuntu 4.10.
s/everybody/most people/ or s/everybody/majority of users/ as I think
the original intention of everybody was
Auch - just found something nasty...
The bad change (at least according to the changelog):
* make auto_launch update-manager mode the default (as asked
for by the DX team)
was done / packaged on Mon, 23 Feb 2009 20:47:37 +0100
While feature freeze was on February 19th and UI freeze was on
Am I totally misunderstanding this issue???
As I understand it / complained / bug reported... I think most people
don't care whether the notification comes in the form of the new notify-
osd system or the old way with the orange spiked ball or red arrow that
show up on the panel.
The issue I
I apologize in advance for the length of this post.
@Matthew,
Sorry it's taken so long for me to respond, work and life became a bit
demanding.
(1) Yes, it is more obtrusive, that's entirely deliberate, and I don't know
what study you're referring to.
While study may be the wrong word to
First of all, I see a problem with defaults. Whenever an application
wants to inform the user of something, or get feedback on something, it
should use bubbles... that much makes sense. But when it NEEDS
something, when something is so urgent that you would go through all
this trouble to make
If you want users who cannot handle a notification icon to update the
system, then a pop-up window might not be any better, because every
regular window that pops up somewhere is closed without reading by
default by at least 90% of the users. For those users, an automated
update process should be
Additionally, I think the current procedure opens a huge security leak.
If people get used to pop-up windows asking for updates, it will be no
problem imitating these pop-up windows with java-script and make them
look exactly the same. And since you are used to entering your password
when you
I have to add my vote here, because this is a big thing for me. Pop-up/under
windows are something we were fighting with until 2-3 years ago - please don't
bring them back in any form.
I'm not sure what the notification overload problem is about. There are exactly
3 permanent notification on my
I also think this is not a good decision. Windows that pop up are never
good, no matter for what purpose and whether they are pop-ups or pop-
unders. As Osliner I too explained everybody how to update their system
if the red notifier showed up, and that worked well for them. Personally
I also like
I run many Ubuntu stations in a production environment and my users are
heavily limited in what they can and can't do. Machines sign on
automatically and users are NOT given the password for the account. All
updates are done via script or manually via SSH from IT.
Now with this version I am
Documented in the release notes at
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JauntyJackalope/ReleaseNotes#Change%20in%20notifications%20of%20available%20updates.
** Changed in: ubuntu-release-notes
Status: New = Fix Released
--
[Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information
getut, if updates were being advertised to people who couldn't possibly
install them, that was a bug regardless of whether they were being
advertised with a window or an icon. Please report the bug if you
haven't already. Thanks!
--
[Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status
On Thursday 16 April 2009 15:41:49 getut wrote:
I run many Ubuntu stations in a production environment and my users are
heavily limited in what they can and can't do. Machines sign on
automatically and users are NOT given the password for the account. All
updates are done via script or
Matthew and BUGabundo, in our environment since multiple users were not
needed, we chose to go with a single user install with automatic
signon...so it is the default and only user account on the system. This
means it is admin but the users are NOT given the password for the
account. I use
okay, here is my little experience with this new system:
I upgraded my girlfriends and her sisters computer, not because i wanted
to put a beta system on there computer, but some drivers where better.
it doesnt matter here anyway.
What happened is that they didn't update their system in the last
Jan Claeys: Google wanted Web apps to be able to put icons in the
notification area in HTML 5. http://lists.whatwg.org/pipermail/whatwg-
whatwg.org/2009-March/018722.html That request has been turned down for
now, but it's possible they'll attempt the same thing with browser
extensions.
mac_v:
On Tue, 2009-04-14 at 09:26 +, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote:
ami_nakata: Not only is it an implementation detail whether an
automatically-opening window is from a newly-running application or an
already-running application, it's an implementation detail whether *any*
window is from a
man, I really liked the notification icon - it should be put back (or
the option to do so)
- CH
--
[Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information
https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/332945
You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu
Bugs, which is
why not shove that into the indicator applet (messaging menu) ?
--
[Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information
https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/332945
You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu
Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu.
--
A few suggestions i'd like to add,
-maybe they should popunder, then if the X is clicked push it to the
messaging menu
-the user then controls priority (its popped under as a high priority
item), then if nothings done (an X (close) is clicked) it lowers in
priority to the messaging menu
-maybe
@Peter:
I love your idea, but regarding your last comment: I'd rather provide a
checkbox (un-checked by default) for the »remind me again later« option
since users are used to getting two options (OK and Cancel). A dialogue
offering three options is rather confusing and unusual in the first
place
@Matthew (MPT):
Matthew, I'd like to highlight some of the things you've written about
user-interface design that directly inform this controversy:
You wrote above:
Brian, whether an automatically-opening window is
from a newly-running application or an already-running
application is,
Peter Whittaker wrote:
On Wed, 2009-04-08 at 19:55 +, Mark Shuttleworth wrote:
I think it's important that we not treat the OS specially,
Mark, thanks for your comments. I think this one area where there is
considerable disagreement: The OS is different - when the computer needs
What can _we_ do to get an acceptable system behavior?
It was really hard for me to tell my mother that the update icon won't appear
anymore. She really got used to it. Big pop-ups would seriously confuse her.
I agree with Mark that the notification area is used by too many applications.
Why not
Il giorno gio, 09/04/2009 alle 07.38 +, Mark Shuttleworth ha
scritto:
My point is that we should have clear guidelines about what
constitutes
each mode of operation, and we should follow those as rigorously with
the OS as we would hope apps do, as well.
I dreamed of clear guidelines
On Thu, 2009-04-09 at 08:38 +0100, Mark Shuttleworth wrote:
Peter Whittaker wrote:
The OS is different - when the computer needs
to tell me something, I probably shouldn't ignore it. Think firealarm.
Yes, that's true. But there are some apps that have fire alarms too -
imagine, for
Peter Whittaker wrote:
If you read my comments on the wiki page, you'll see I make clear
distinctions between system and user notifications: Let's apply that
distinction consistently. A user notification is a doorbell, it appears
in the user notification area, near where the user keeps their
Vincenzo Ciancia wrote:
What would be the place to participate in the design of the
notification-area related changes?
Join the Ayatana team mailing list on Launchpad!
Mark
--
[Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information
https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/332945
You
'Ello, I wish to register a complaint!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6Lq771TVm4
That is exactly how I feel, you are trying to sell me some stone dead
parrot. We are trading our notification icon in the well known
notification area for some flashing button in the window list at the
other side
Having read the whole thread I am adding my voice to do this. I believe
that the decision to remove the notification icon was a mistake. Here
are my arguments.
1) System tray is a guarantee of authenticity
--
If you're trying to
Pausanias, the notification area is not a guarantee of authenticity in
either Windows or Ubuntu. In both OSes it can be used by third-party
applications, including malware. And in both OSes the vendor is clamping
down on third-party use, though in different ways. We're at an
advantage, because
On Thu, 2009-04-09 at 11:41 +0100, Mark Shuttleworth wrote:
Peter Whittaker wrote:
If you read my comments on the wiki page, you'll see I make clear
distinctions between system and user notifications: Let's apply that
distinction consistently. A user notification is a doorbell, it appears
Op donderdag 09-04-2009 om 14:16 uur [tijdzone +], schreef Matthew
Paul Thomas:
Pausanias, the notification area is not a guarantee of authenticity
in either Windows or Ubuntu. In both OSes it can be used by
third-party applications, including malware.
Once there is malware on your PC then
@Mathew:
PLS , could u just answer one question...
when i'm working i get a notification to update so i update thinking its
would just work in the background but after the update it asks for a restart
i choose to restart later i'd be reminded again after 1 day to restart,
when of course
On Thu, 2009-04-09 at 16:55 +, mac_v wrote:
wouldnt this problem be avoided if there was a reminder, which reminded
me after my work was over, to restart?
I thought of this as well, and included a mechanism in my comments on
the wiki page - when you click on a system notification, you are
Olá ktp420 e a todos.
On Thursday 09 April 2009 03:50:12 ktp420 wrote:
Can please provide studies which show and helped in your conclusion that
system tray is heavily overused.
Here is one
--
Hi, I'm BUGabundo, and I am Ubuntu (whyubuntu.com)
(``-_-´´) http://LinuxNoDEI.BUGabundo.net
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 14:16:00 +
From: m...@canonical.com
To: ktp...@live.com
Subject: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful
status information
Pausanias, the notification area is not a guarantee of authenticity in
either Windows or Ubuntu. In both
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 00:10:08 +
From: ubu...@bugabundo.net
To: ktp...@live.com
Subject: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful
status information
Olá ktp420 e a todos.
On Thursday 09 April 2009 03:50:12 ktp420 wrote:
Can please provide studies
@BUGabundo:
do u realize the difference between notification icons and applets?
ur panel is filled up with nearly 26 icons
of which only * 8 * come under the category of notification icons ,
* any almost the icons displayed come with the default setting of no
icon in the notification icon *
Jamin, to address your three points once more: (1) Yes, it is more
obtrusive, that's entirely deliberate, and I don't know what study
you're referring to. (2) Using a notification icon to advertise updates
is a bad idea first because it's not obvious, and second because it
makes installing the
Matthew Paul Thomas wrote::
(1) Yes, it is more obtrusive, that's entirely deliberate, and I don't know
what study you're referring to.
(2) Using a notification icon to advertise updates is a bad idea first because
it's not obvious, and second because it makes installing the updates
@ mac_v: It appears as if you're basing your judgement on the amount of
clicks it takes to perform actions. The amount of time it *really*
takes to make 4 clicks (making the assumption that you have to move the
mouse between each click), is no more than like 4 seconds.
What makes these things
i have to agree with mac_v
On Wed, 2009-04-08 at 13:56 +, mac_v wrote:
Matthew Paul Thomas wrote::
(1) Yes, it is more obtrusive, that's entirely deliberate, and I don't know
what study you're referring to.
(2) Using a notification icon to advertise updates is a bad idea first
2009/4/8 mac_v drkv...@yahoo.com:
@Matthew RIDICULOUS EXPLANATIONS
1] seems to be a deliberate move... OK .. thts understood
2] 3]not obvious???gratuitously difficult.? ARE U KIDDING
Lets keep this calm and adult shall we.
the reasons we have road signs as symbols rather
Are you being intruded when your
e-mail program notifies you in a persistent window that new mail is
ready (and maybe even bring up the program window unfocused)? Are you
being intruded when your IM client pops up a window when someone new
IM's you?
YES!
Now please allow for the user to revert
201 - 300 of 389 matches
Mail list logo
