Welcome Sarah. If you read the comments here, I don't think people want
it fixed on a per application basis. Linux developers coming from
windows and mac os x, don't want to have to put in extra work on linux
just to get the clipboard working with their app. They want it taken
care of for them.
I'm tackling this bug for Ubuntu through Google Summer of Code 2010. You
can check out a summary of the problem at
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ClipboardPersistence. If an application you
develop for is listed as broken there and you're interested in helping a
novice developer implement the ClipboardMan
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@Visraus: This is fixed in upstream xulrunner, and as the status you see
here track the upstream bug report it is marked as "Fix Released". As of
100 paper cuts, this has already been denied for that project several
times mostly with motivations that it is to complicated to fix for a
paper cut.
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Why is xulrunner set to Fix Released? The bug's still there. Please
change it back until it really is fixed.
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This list is gonna get pretty long if we start listing out every single
app that doesn't follow the specification. The reason being that most
of them don't follow it. And will the Ubuntu developers now have to
keep adding in the "follow the clipboard specification" fix every time
one of these app
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Rather than trying to implement a plugin system like srgb proposed,
which IMHO might get very complicated as it involves a lot of
persons/programs, I think the spec could slightly be changed :
>From http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/ClipboardManager
"Responsibilities of clipboard owners
If a client
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The most complicated part of the issue described here is following:
"Only application knows how to handle its buffer properly, hence when
it's closed - nobody can paste it."
The example can be quite simple: you enter formatted text, pictures and tables
in OOo' Writer and then select-all and past
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I've been watching the comments carefully over the past few days and we
seem to be falling into the same traps previous comments already have
mentioned but we can't do:
1. It's already spec'd out on a per application basis on how to properly
implement it on linux.
-this spec has been around for
Michael Nagel, I have read carefully your comment and I think you are
right for the non-static data and it might be also complicated to deal
with the history of clipboard managers and this kind of data also...
We could have a history per clipboard type, the text history would
have more items than b
Making the xserver the owner of all content is pretty much the same as
using a clipboard manager and making that the owner of all content.
There are working clipboard managers ready to be installed from the
repository -- namely klipper, glipper and parcellite . they are the more
or less official wo
There is already a solution for this, it's designed and ready and it is
currently being implementing it in applications (one by one). This
already works with many applications (some listed in the description).
The new specs for this is available at
http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/ClipboardManager
Its would be a great solution but i think that its a solution that requires
a lot of work, and would be incompatible with other distributions.
Somebody knows the internal structure of XServer to say if i am in a error?
2010/5/24 J Bruni
> Wondering aloud
>
> If the application that owns the
Wondering aloud
If the application that owns the clipboard provides its contents
(unavailable once it is closed)...
What if we always make Xserver itself be this application (the owner of
the contents), and thus always serve its contents (always available!)
i.e., when the user copies (CTRL+C
"I don't want to wait for Zealous Zebu (Ubuntu 17.04) to see this
resolved."
ROFLMAO!!!
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I don't want to wait for Zealous Zebu (Ubuntu 17.04) to see this
resolved.
As a user, I want to use copy/paste being able to paste from a closed
application. (Why leave it open, then go back only to close it?)
As a developer, I work with PHP doing simple web applications. I don't
know about compl
this bugs exists also in code::blocks 8.02
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Rafal-maj-it wrote 8 hours ago:
"Thanks guys - finally the bug is fixed and backported everywhere :)
April Fools' day! Sorry guys"
Not a realistic joke at all, because this bug won't be fixed before the
year 2020 and probably won't be fixed at all.
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Very good!
Bye
> Thanks guys - finally the bug is fixed and backported everywhere :)
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Thanks guys - finally the bug is fixed and backported everywhere :)
April Fools' day! Sorry guys
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Here is a log from IRC ubuntu-devel where Collin Watson said some things.
Bottom Line: you have to install a Clipboard Manager but Ubuntu is not
currently planning to install one by default. Installing a Clipboard Manager is
not seen as a workaround but as a solution.
Technically it is a bit mor
Bug is persisting in Karmic and I agree that it is CRITICAL!
When I first switched to Linux I ran into this bug very often now I kind of
learned to live with it (which doesn't make it better).
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@LimCore
I don't think you understand the meaning of the definitions "band aid"
and "work around". A "band aid" or "work around" means it's not
properly fixed or only partially implemented. The implementation is not
expandable. It actually creates more work in the end due to it's bad
design.
S
pyrates,
you say "We don't want a bandaid solution or a work around" - what?
Well, we, the USERS - we DO WANT a working solution, even if it is
"bandaid" or "work around".
Also, why this would be bad if all applications would rely on such
external clipboard instead doing it better themselves? Th
Tralalalala:
1. I don't know if you ever coded or worked on a larger project, but I can
guarantee you that no matter how good the documentation of a program is you
still first have to read through the whole code if it wasn't you writing it. A
program consists of the written part which everyone c
Ok folks, their is 3 things that can resume this 200+ messages thread:
1) Many people want a bug fix, not a workarround;
2) The bug is too complex to be fixed by users, and will need a -- if not
many-- really good developper to be fixed;
3) It seems like it's a X / xorg bug, not a Ubuntu or Ubuntu
Sandro Mani wrote on 2010-02-21:
"The person(s) who originally implemented the clipboard may very well not be
working on Xorg anymore, hence someone would have to read through the whole
unfamiliar code and understand it, just like we"
Then there's something fundamentally wrong at Xorg. It doesn
@toobuntu:
That would be a great idea. Not yet an acceptable solution, but at least
give the feeling that the *problem* is officially recognized by the dev
team, and not just a "wish".
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Would it be out of place to suggest that an entry be added to the
release notes that this is a known issue and give the workarounds of:
(1) leaving the source window or program open until after the paste is
complete or (2) installing parcellite (any), glipper (Ubuntu), or
klipper (Kubuntu)? I do no
@LimCore
Have you been paying attention? We don't want a bandaid solution or a
work around. We want it fixed at the source. And that includes getting
rid of the stupid selection based copy and paste that only appeals to
those who want the terminal app to come first when it shouldn't even be
req
Just install Percellite by default (MIR) and we are done! No need for
too much talking, lets do it ;)
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Hi Dan Connolly
I'm answering you directly if you don't mind to don't spam other users.
Actually I doubt that the priority has been set by a developer yet,
therefore the current priority is probably only there to make sure that
they notice the bug. This bug is older than the "Affect me too" fea
On Sat, 2010-02-20 at 19:13 +, Tralalalala wrote:
[...much ranting elided...]
> Users are losing their work time after time. They write a large e-mail
> in OpenOffice.org (yes, some people do such things), then copy
> everything, close OpenOffice.org and start Evolution to send the
> contents o
Indeed. From a user point of view, it's hard to know what changes will
affect a lot of projects and people, that's the developer task. Firstly,
this bug has to gain visibility to Canonical and xserver-xorg, so
appropriate developers can take a look at it. Since this bug has 52
people affected, this
This bug is harder to fix than I thought : I thought it was the X
server's responsability to claim the xclipboard when an client exits
(thus a bug in Xorg), but the freedesktop xclipboard specification are
very clear :
" If a client needs to exit while owning the CLIPBOARD selection, it
should req
Geees will people stop complaining for something they got for FREE? It is like
if you got a present and start insulting the person which gave it to you
because it does not work the way you want. It is certainly okay to point out
things that have some design flaws, but please just try to keep in
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+ IMPORTANT 1: Please see the WORKAROUND a few lines below.
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+ IMPORTANT 2: Please don't post any "me too message"; use the "Does
At the mean time, as continously repeated, using a bug report as a forum
will only prevent developers from working with it.
If you want Canonical to notice the priority : Click affects me too.
If you want xserver-xorg or other projects to notice the priority : subscribe
yourself to upstream bug r
So linux does it differently compared to the method that windows and OS
X does? Why not do it the same? Why don't we change the
freedesktop.org to match how windows and OS X does?
I agree with developers who refuse to implement it because it's not the
same on windows and OS X, that it's stupid.
Saïvann Carignan wrote 19 hours ago:
"Developers regularly read bugs. When they can fix the bug, they assign the bug
to themself and generally, it doesn't take a week before we get a update."
That's the best joke I've ever heard. None of the bugs I've commented on
has ever been fixed. Bugs which
You are correct in your statement, if you just read the bug description,
there is almost no mention about xserver-xorg. The idea that the
specification should change (which means modifying xserver-xorg
behavior) only appears in last comments. Some users speaks like if this
has always been THE s
Saïvann : It's not only up to xserver-xorg to fix this. There is an
independent Freedesktop specification outlining how the clipboard works.
It says clearly that all applications, when quitting should export the
clipboard contents to the global clipboard.
xserver-xorg actually adheres to the speci
If the xorg team refuses to implement the clipboard properly, and
another group wants to fix it, fork it. You can do that. Or they can
start from scratch like google did with Android because they saw that in
order to fix stuff like implementing the clipbard properly, they had to
replace xorg comp
"Linking a bug report can be done with two click, and launchpad
has a good documentation. "
Personnaly, I didn't even know that. Maybe it's easy when you know how to
do, but the interface is not intuitive for doing so.
Users will not read pages of documentation to report a bug. They already
must
Jackflap : As said previously, Canonical and Mark Shuttleworth are not
in charge of xserver-xorg development. Ubuntu is a distribution.
Canonical can contribute to bugfixes to upstream projects such as
xserver-xorg, but drastic changes of concept needs to be done by the
upstream projects themselves
Dan,
Interesting question.
As we probably all know, Canonical have been pushing a usability drive,
which is led by Mark Shuttleworth.
This has produced the FUSA applet (which was developed for 8.10), the
notification area overhaul (included in 9.04), the theme updates (9.10)
and we have the MeMe
How intuitive that bug system is for casual users
In 5 years, no one has been able to report this bug to the right place. :(
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Dan Connolly : Developers regularly read bugs. When they can fix the
bug, they assign the bug to themself and generally, it doesn't take a
week before we get a update. Each Ubuntu release has blueprints, which
are discussed in UDS with the ubuntu concil. Anyone can contribute and
participate. Howev
On Fri, 2010-02-19 at 16:47 +, Jackflap wrote:
> Look it's open-source. It's an open-source development model. That's how
> it works.
Is it really every-man-for-himself in Ubuntu? Doesn't
Shuttleworth set priorities for each release? Isn't
there a paid Canonical development staff? Don't
they g
[off_topic]
I just notice that I've Nominated this bug for Lucid... Now that I see that I'm
the only one who have done that, I'm asking myself if I really know that
nominations are (as it's not explained, or hidden somewhere that I'm unable to
find)
Do nominations are votes for the distribution
I didn't even read his post cuz he's just ranting.
This is not the place to rant. If ranting actually got any results, then
I would be ranting myself.
The reason I use Ubuntu is because despite the (admittedly) really
shitty bus like this one, I still prefer it to Windows and Mac OS X is
too expe
@Jackflap:
No matter the development model, by it's nature, the project tend to a goal:
Be an operating system.
Having no real clipboard that really works is a failure to this goal.
2010/2/19 Jackflap
> Look it's open-source. It's an open-source development model. That's how
> it works.
>
> W
@jackflap
If you're motivated to use linux because the sole reason is that its
open source, that's fine for you. It's not for the rest of the world.
And clearly you had no counter points to what was mentioned since all
you can say is that open source isn't for him.
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I do agree that this bug is an epic fail.
I do agree with the comment saying that we are users, not developpers.
(On this, I would also add that is really hard to join the developper
community, it's not user friendly at all.)
But I must disagree about the comment comparing Linux to Mac OS.
When pe
I'd like to also add that putting in something like this isn't usually
by a motivated developer. It's by a developer whose told by his boss or
manager to implement this feature. This is why windows and mac os x has
a proper clipboard. The developers have to implement it or they're
fired. Despit
Way to go @Tralalalala !
This is what happens when developers with no monetary incentives are put
in charge of features in linux. And before someone comes in with IBM
paying developers to work on linux, virtually none of it is in the
desktop. It's all command line based because IBM makes their m
Look it's open-source. It's an open-source development model. That's how
it works.
Why do you have to rant and rave on a technical bugtracker about a
development model that clearly doesnt satisfy your expectations?
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LimCore wrote on 2010-02-09:
"This is crazy, this bug has 45 people that take time to go to LP and click
affects-me-too,
it has a dozen of duplicates,
it is one of most reported bug I seen, and yet it is just Wishlist priority?!
Ubuntu fails to provide most basic functionality expected from a de
Installing glipper or parcellite by default is not a fix, if we did
that, then we wouldn't have solved the problem that the specification
itself was designed to solve.
And the real reason this bug is not a papercut because it is not
trivial. If it was trivial then someone would have fixed it alrea
Could someone explain why this isn't one of the first bugs to fix in hundred
paper cuts where perfectly fits?
Could someone tell us when this bug will be fixed?
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On 09.02.2010 22:41, Endolith wrote:
> I'm not sure why this doesn't count as a papercut.
>
> "trivially fixable usability bug that the average user would encounter
> in default installation of Ubuntu or Kubuntu Desktop Edition"
>
> Isn't it trivially fixable by installing one of the workarounds by
I'm not sure why this doesn't count as a papercut.
"trivially fixable usability bug that the average user would encounter
in default installation of Ubuntu or Kubuntu Desktop Edition"
Isn't it trivially fixable by installing one of the workarounds by
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The addition or removal of a package is not a paper cut. "Replace F-Spot with
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https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PaperCut ; Sorry my bad
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Imho this should be as one of "one hundred paper cuts".
If not, then please comment why not, thanks
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WISHLIST - it turns out this is not a problem, even a bug marked just
"Wishlist" will be worked on in case as this one (lots of duplicates and
reporters etc).
According to guys at IRC ##ubuntu-bugs @ irc.freenet.org
Btw, and despite "epic fail" being removed from description, ubuntu devels also
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- This -could- be the underlying cause of bug #7986.
- This is a general issue that seems to be independant of any
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-
- This bug is an Epic Fail, because it's 2009 and still we do not *fully*
- support trivial things like copy/paste.
-
- Fortunately thi
That's so true...
I think a bug should be raised of priority when it start to flood the bug
tracker database with tons of duplicates & complains.
Actually, my nightmare are about me, learning C+ at a suffisent level to
submit a patch. IMO, that should also be considered as a good reason to
incr
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+
+
This bug is an Epic Fail, because it's 2009 and still we do not *fully*
support trivial things like copy/paste.
Fortunately this works well
This is crazy, this bug has 45 people that take time to go to LP and click
affects-me-too,
it has a dozen of duplicates,
it is one of most reported bug I seen, and yet it is just Wishlist priority?!
Ubuntu fails to provide most basic functionality expected from a desktop
since windows 3.11...
Fo
Sadly chromium/Google chrome also appear to have this bug...
http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=32291
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pyrates : Xulrunner (Firefox) only fixed their clipboard code to comply
with the specification, which is mentionned in the bug description. That
only means that Firefox and other applications that rely on xulrunner
(thunderbird, sunbird) will have clipboard working correctly, while
other applicatio
** Description changed:
This bug is an Epic Fail, because it's 2009 and still we do not *fully*
support trivial things like copy/paste.
Fortunately this works well in KDE.
This -could- be the underlying cause of bug #7986.
This is a general issue that seems to be independant of any
I'm not a programmer, so how was this fixed in firefox? What clipboard
manager was it integrated with? Does that limit it to a certain DE then
since this wasn't fixed in Xorg? Did they remove anything like the
selection clipboard that uses the middle mouse button?
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Importance: High => Unknown
** Changed in: null
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** Changed in: null
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Good news guys!
This guy from Red Hat, called Martin Stránský, just fixed this bug in
upstream Firefox! The mozilla devs merged the patch into the
"mozilla1.9.3" branch (current hg master) which means that it will
probably go out in Firefox 3.7
Firefox 3.7 won't be ready in time for Lucid though
@Endolith:
Adding a new package to the default install is not a papercut task.
Kindly bring up the discussion for adding the package by default , in the
desktop mailing list.
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Thank you for bringing this bug to our attention. However, a paper cut
should be a small usability issue that affects many people and is quick
and easy to fix. So this bug can't be addressed as part of this project.
For further information about papercuts criteria, please read
https://wiki.ubuntu.
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I dont think so. So I submitted a bug report:
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=25220
Anyone want to add to it, feel free.
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Patrick Roberts wrote:
> That's useless. It needs to be fixed in X, so it will
> work in every application and in every desktop
> environment.
Question: Is there a bug registered on the X bug tracker? If so, could
we add it as an upstream bug report?
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Olaf wrote 2 hours ago:
"It's not of the highest priority because there really are much higher
priorities."
That's the point of discussion.
You think some new weird feature is a high prio.
I think (as most of distributors do) usability is the highest prio ever.
2009/11/20, FMaz :
> Olaf wrote 2
Olaf wrote 2 hours ago:
"It's not of the highest priority because there really are much higher
priorities."
This problem have been reported more than 5 years ago. I think that this
improvement should have been priorised over many other new features that are
less important.
Yes it's not a maj
Olaf wrote 49 minutes ago:
"I really believe most people prefer speed and hardware support
and reducing reggressions as high priority issues."
The most important is to have an operating system you can trust, an
operating system which is reliable, an operating system that doesn't
forget something
I wish this would get fixed in the Xorg layer instead. Fixing it on a
per application basis takes more time then it should need to. And
fixing it at the DE layer is a mere bandaid solution, meaning when it
finally is fixed in the Xorg layer, the fix in the DE layer won't
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Well, it looks like some nice developer has volunteered his time to the
Mozilla suite to fix this bug (iirc), and progress is being made to fix
this for Firefox.
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=311340
Also, please, less whining, and more contributing.
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MASTER Copy-Paste doesn't w
Is there some good reason why Parcellite (or some other tool) isn't just
included by default to work around this?
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MASTER Copy-Paste doesn't work if the source is closed before the paste
https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/11334
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