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are welcome, if you want to test that version. Having
an official upstream tarball would be nice, but until that happens we
can still try moving forward by testing their current codebase
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* GTK: the default option is to stay on 3.8, we are looking at
updating to 3.10 though
Thanks to the tireless work from Lars we have candidate packages to
test in the desktop ppa:
https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/+archive/ppa
Hey
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those need more integration work.
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there is no need to force software
upgrades. What they do though is to deprecate APIs, and it looks like
epiphany is building with -GTK_DISABLE_DEPRECATED ... we are just going
to need to patch that flag out of the build option and 3.8 should build
fine on GTK 3.10
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Hey,
We got some work done so here is an update!
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* update glib to 2.40 (tracking 2.39 during the unstable cycle)
glib 2.39.1 is in trusty, thanks Ryan and Iain!
* update webkit to the current version
2.3.1 is in trusty (renamed to webkitgtk
on how we can do that only out of gnome-shell sessions.
That's mostly it for this cycle I think, let us know if you have any
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. The only desktop ported is
GNOME 3.10, and there has known regressions there (e.g DUN support not
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So those are going to stop working the day we update GTK...
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of the most recent
changes, but I don't think they are the primary target of a LTS version...
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already have in our backlog.
It would be useful if you (or some of the others that think that not
updating would be an error) would give specifics example of what GNOME
3.10 can bring to our users.
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on the desktop for some time already
- startup disk creator has a different frontend, including a KDE one,
likely it's going to be easy to have a Qt version if needed
- Ubuntu online account is qt based and works on the touch image already
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, but we are still bring fixes and improvements to it, while working
on that transtions
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up maintaining the same GNOME version
for their customers, it means we can share efforts. If we are shifted by
a version, that's not true anymore
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branch of compiz, nothing stops the patch to
land in compiz trunk and users/ppas/other distros to run that version,
if you do the testing will probably help to build confidence in the
patch and maybe get it to land in Ubuntu
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? Are there any apps likely to do that in the
default install?
That's a good question, we should probably investigate that indeed.
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an indicator,
that's assuming that the IBus upstream know enough about IBus and its
users to come with an useful UI (if IBus upstream doesn't know how IBus
is used we have other issues...)
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for yet another cycle in that case...
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Le 22/10/2012 18:01, Jeremy Bicha a écrit :
Is it ok if I upload Nautilus 3.6 to raring when the archive opens? Or
does need more discussion at UDS first?
It's ok to update to 3.6, wait for after UDS to go further though since
we will likely stay on 3.6 for R
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, we might just want to start it when a
device is added. That's the case for quite some of our services, the
GNOME wacom code should only be loaded if you have a compatible device.
The gwibber lens should probably be stopped when you get offline, etc, etc
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how those were dealt with in the GNOME2 times)
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on the list that GNOME
stable series are not maintained, not sure that GNOME is seeing that as
an issue to be solved atm though but I'm sure it would benefit most
users since at the end distributions do deliver stable GNOME versions to
their users...
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Le 16/10/2012 06:08, Jeremy Bicha a écrit :
On 15 October 2012 13:50, Sebastien Bacher seb...@ubuntu.com wrote:
That's going to be a controversial topic but I want to suggest we stay on
stable GNOME this cycle, the reasons are (in random order):
Well you've been following GNOME development
-service or to start using the systemd implementation of
those (they are independant of the init system)...
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Le 16/10/2012 20:14, Robert Bruce Park a écrit :
Whoa whoa whoa... I never hear about Fedora or SuSE having these
clashes with GNOME. Are you sure the problem is really with GNOME and
not with us? Maybe this problem isn't GNOME doesn't cooperate with
distributions but rather Canonical doesn't
Le 16/10/2012 20:14, Robert Bruce Park a écrit :
Just a thought. I would like to see better cooperation, personally ;-)
Right, I think we all do and ideas on how to improve cooperation are
welcome ;-)
Also, last I heard, 'GNOME OS' is not intended to obsolete distros, it
is intended to
Hey,
That's a classic, we usually review our plans for GNOME for the next
cycle.
That's going to be a controversial topic but I want to suggest we stay
on stable GNOME this cycle, the reasons are (in random order):
- tracking unstable GNOME is taking lot of resources that we don't
invest
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- the new version of libraries might have APIs our app writers might
want to use
On that I would note that we should keep a ppa for the unstable serie
packages, open to contributions. Most app writer do want to target users
of stable users out
be user session jobs, do other still agree
with that? If you have other request I think there is still time at UDS
to discuss those
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there. GNOME has its desktop
and vision, Ubuntu has a different one, there is no reason we need to
align our designs... it does indeed makes life of app writers harder,
but it seems it's the way it has to be...
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on other desktop
environments?
The plan so far would be to rewrite a keyboard,input method indicator to
work with ibus 1.5 and GNOME 3.6 it seems...
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is also a time sink (look at how hard
it has been to try to get a working webkit version this cycle...), I
think it would be better for Ubuntu and our users to focus on stability
rather and to be able to plan at the start of the cycle what we will
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think we just
don't have the resources to play catchup with GNOME that way (or that
it's not the best use of our efforts) so I would suggest we update to
3.6 and resolve the concerns we have with it, we will get 3.8 next cycle
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Interesting, did you open a bug about that? If not could you file one on
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Hey,
That's another of the transitions we started this cycle, we should
probably look at finishing it next cycle. The remaining items include U1
and system-config-printer (we will look at replacing the UI by the GNOME
one this cycle though)
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Hey everybody,
Setting that as a goal for next cycle, we delayed on that for quantal
but gstreamer 1.0 is out and GNOME 3.6 uses it so it seems next cycle
would be a good time to transition. We will probably have a bit of
porting to do on our side as well (ubiquity for example).
Sebastien
-uccsconfigure (need to look at it but I guess
it shouldn't be hard)
- update-notifier
- ubuntu-release-upgrader-gtk
- unity (for config migration purpose I guess)
That's a reasonable list to work through
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for 3.6 to help with that
Given that, and given that the upstream Background is crack, I think
the best option is to to keep our existing forked panel.
Right, I think that's our best option there...
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on the indicator before we start
if we are going to do that, if we rewrite them we can as well do it in a
way which improves the design)
There are probably others things in that category but those are the main
ones I can think about
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Hey everybody,
That's a leftover from last cycle but we should have time to tackle it
this cycle... (not sure there is much to discuss at UDS so maybe not a
discussion topic but a just do it one)
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Hey everybody,
That's another leftover from previous panel, upstream finally added
options to their panel in 3.6 so it should be good enough to be used for
us next cycle (we should still review for feature parity and see what is
missing though)
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Will Ubuntu be taking the GNOME language and printers panels now?
That's the plan, I sent topic emails about those ;-)
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The elementary guys worked on top of marlin for this own file manager as
well:
https://launchpad.net/pantheon-files
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work starts soon enough.
Ubuntu one integration as well
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the update we need then
people wanting to commit to spend time resolving the blockers listed
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. It shouldn't be hard to find sponsors for
your desktop work either.
Does that make sense to you?
Let me know if you feel like you already have the skills needed and that
I'm overlooking work you did (which is possible, I don't manage to
follow everything going on around ;-)
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Le 09/07/2012 19:54, Iain Lane a écrit :
Hi there,
Heya Iain,
Glad to see you apply for desktop team membership! You are doing good
work, and I trust you to ask for a review before upload when needed ...
that's one +1 ;-)
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Thank you for your bug report, do you use unity-3d or unity-2d? Could
you make a screenshot showing the issue?
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think the consensus
will be any different from what it was other cycles
- whatever other topics you guys come with ;-)
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for next cycle. Not so much desktop work there I guess since Lars
and Till should have that under control...
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Le 19/04/2012 12:28, Sebastien Bacher a écrit :
- whatever other topics you guys come with ;-)
We should probably have a discussion about gnome-control-center with
design, our delta there and the strategy going forward to maintain it.
We either need to work with upstream and get stuff merged
Hey,
Not so much a discussion topic that a just do it, but I think we might
get close of dropping pygtk, gtk2 and gconf from the CD so maybe let's
see how much progress we can do this cycle with that?
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Hey,
Yet another leftover from precise, not much to discuss as well, rather a
just do it. We did a bit of work this cycle but didn't go far, there
is still room for improvement especially with nautilus, compiz.
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already have one (i.e glib, gtk) and some testing
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seems a bit similar to bug #978401
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without blocking us too much
I would rather like to see the session being focussed on the Ubuntu
weaknesses and how we work toward resolving those rather than on
pointing what doesn't work.
What do you think?
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directing some of your work to the archive and giving
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told me so - sorry if I created noise in the wrong place. Which will
be the list to send my request to? Can you provide some pointers?
Hum, what makes you think it's the wrong list? No you got at the right
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), especially if we move
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Le 12/02/2012 12:06, Sebastien Bacher a écrit :
One issue I noticed
Oh, other issues :-(
- The selection on the login screen doesn't seem to work (hard to see
what happens exactly since passwords chars don't show). I.e I select my
test user where I set the default keymap to german, it's
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Le 29/01/2012 16:30, Jeremy Bicha a écrit :
Yes, poppler 0.18 will be supported for evince 3.4
Hey Jeremy,
Thanks for checking, feel free to upload 3.4 to precise then!
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guide designers
to much better user experience with Ubuntu.
You should like unity then, its simplicity is somebody most people who
dislike it complain about ;-)
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should let enough time for testing and avoid to land problematic
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Le 16/12/2011 17:15, Sebastien Bacher a écrit :
Hi,
The dx team worked on backporting some of the fixes available to the
Oneiric serie and rolled a 4.26.0 tarball.
This unity version and an updated compiz with some backported fixes
have been uploaded to the desktop team ppa today:
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at replacing it in the next
cycles. I will come back in reply to some of the others emails about
the issues with music players specific case.
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Not sure how active is the mono desktop side, there are not lot of
softwares being written using this stack nowadays around GNOME for sure,
the LTS getting support for 5 years it seems like we would be better off
not supporting mono for that time...
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is perfect from the start,
we are still fighting pygobject bugs for things that landed for a while
for example)
- will the new version still use gconf or gsettings? what is the state
of gsettings in mono?
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we are aiming to better than that for next cycle).
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Le 26/10/2011 23:42, Aurélien Gâteau a écrit :
Hi,
Just a quick mail to sort of introduce myself for those who do not
know me.
Hey Aurélien,
Welcome to the Desktop Team, I hope you will have a fun cycle there ;-)
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The git logs (http://git.gnome.org/browse/seahorse/log/) don't show lot
of code changes since 3.1.91, nothing that seems really suspicious...
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with that, my concerns where to make the
default video player rely on clutter. I think we should get clutter on
the CD next cycle for other GNOME components that started using, those
use it mainly for some bling and nice feature and performances shouldn't
be an issue in those cases
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should be in part addressed if
we get the gnome-sushi previewer on the CD
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Hey,
That seems a good idea, I've looked to bugs about it and found one which
got closed without reason so I reopened it and added a design component:
https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/765240
You can probably subscribe there and comment on it
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option is a gsettings key so gsettings set org.gnome.Vino
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case it would be nice to at least do a call for
testing on Oneiric to see where we stand and if it's driver specific. If
the issue is fglrx specific then escalating to amd seems a good idea
indeed
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experience but I think most users are
not going to be bothered a lot but the installation media being a bit
slow to load, it's a one time thing, they probably care about the daily
boot speed of their computer though.
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Hey,
So first easy one, discuss what GNOME version we will track for the LTS.
It's basically a discussion we have at every UDS ;-)
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Hey again,
Continuing the work started with the login experience this cycle I think
we should improve the screen locking, user switching experience. We
should also revisit if we want to support screensaver graphics or rather
if that's a priority to invest efforts in
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Hey,
I think we should work on making the upstream region capplet do what
we need and deprecate language-selector in its favor if we can ;-)
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from what you need to switch this cycle or if we
should stay on what we have
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Hey,
That's another classic for UDS, we should probably not change a lot
but we said we would revisit having pitivi on the CD, we should also
have a look to GNOME new stuff like the sushi previewer for nautilus
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during the LTS cycle.
The current list from Pedro and Qa are a nice but they only cover
selected set, how do we get visibility on i.e foundation issues, kernel
bugs, plymouth issues, etc that impact on what we are doing?
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