Re: Language chooser at login

2011-10-18 Thread Gunnar Hjalmarsson
Progress has been made, and this is a short update. Ubuntu 11.10 was shipped with a language chooser in lightdm-gtk-greeter. Thanks, Robert! Unfortunately - due to time restraints - the chooser is currently broken as regards Ubuntu; see https://launchpad.net/bugs/868346 A proposed fix is

Re: Language Chooser at Login 3: The Choosening (or: Keyboard Selector)

2011-09-13 Thread Mathias Bynke
På Mon, 12 Sep 2011 22:53:33 +0200, skrev Christopher James Halse Rogers r...@ubuntu.com: Rovanion in #ubuntu-devel brought to me a problem that's related to the lack of language selector - we also don't have a keyboard selector. I don't think I've seen this discussed before, and I think it

Re: Language Chooser at Login 3: The Choosening (or: Keyboard Selector)

2011-09-13 Thread Marc Deslauriers
On Mon, 2011-09-12 at 15:53 -0500, Christopher James Halse Rogers wrote: Rovanion in #ubuntu-devel brought to me a problem that's related to the lack of language selector - we also don't have a keyboard selector. I don't think I've seen this discussed before, and I think it should be

Language Chooser at Login 3: The Choosening (or: Keyboard Selector)

2011-09-12 Thread Christopher James Halse Rogers
Rovanion in #ubuntu-devel brought to me a problem that's related to the lack of language selector - we also don't have a keyboard selector. I don't think I've seen this discussed before, and I think it should be addressed. The problem description here is: You have a multi-user system with

Re: Language chooser at login (comment from an upset ubuntu user)

2011-08-24 Thread Sebastien Bacher
On mer., 2011-08-24 at 15:35 +0200, Hadmut Danisch wrote: Hi, I was testing oneiric alpha releases, found several problems with keyboard maps and locale settings, tried to report them as bugs, and ran against a wall of ignorance, probably errected by ubuntu/canonical. Thank you for your

Re: Language chooser at login (comment from an upset ubuntu user)

2011-08-24 Thread Rick Spencer
On Wed, 2011-08-24 at 15:35 +0200, Hadmut Danisch wrote: Hi, I was testing oneiric alpha releases, found several problems with keyboard maps and locale settings, tried to report them as bugs, and ran against a wall of ignorance, probably errected by ubuntu/canonical. I then came to bug

Re: Language chooser at login

2011-07-11 Thread Robert Ancell
On 09/07/11 19:23, Gunnar Hjalmarsson wrote: 1. For users who change display language once in a while - for whatever reason - it provides a more convenient way for doing so than doing it from the Language Support UI or its successor. There is a fresh bug report about it, btw:

Re: Language chooser at login

2011-07-09 Thread Gunnar Hjalmarsson
After having reviewed this thread, there are a few things I'd like to highlight: Language chooser As regards the language chooser on the login screen, it basically serves two purposes: 1. For users who change display language once in a while - for whatever reason

Re: Language chooser at login

2011-07-07 Thread Robert Ancell
On 05/07/11 19:11, Oliver Grawert wrote: Note that this doesn't necessarily have to be implemented in the greeter, i.e. you can run zenity in the guest accounts .profile and that prompts the user on login for language. Or you can make multiple sessions for each installed language, i.e. there

Re: Language chooser at login

2011-07-06 Thread Gunnar Hjalmarsson
a feeling that you to some extent think of code that is there for other reasons than the language chooser on the login screen. And a better organized code would make it easier to support. Think of how you would answer this question from a user: How do I change my language? Would the answer be - from

Re: Language chooser at login

2011-07-05 Thread Oliver Grawert
hi, Am Dienstag, den 05.07.2011, 13:43 +1000 schrieb Robert Ancell: On 04/07/11 17:41, Oliver Grawert wrote: ... pretty much every environment edubuntu is used in (public desktops in school classrooms at universities or libraries), non personalized computers in multilingual companies,

Re: Language chooser at login

2011-07-04 Thread Oliver Grawert
hi, Am Montag, den 04.07.2011, 12:44 +1000 schrieb Robert Ancell: I haven't heard of any standard user requirements to switch between more than two languages, or two languages that do not include English (please post here if you know of any). well, just some of these environments ubuntu has

Re: Language chooser at login

2011-07-04 Thread Matthew Paul Thomas
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Robert Ancell wrote on 04/07/11 03:44: If you change the display language within a session, it does not take effect in that session, but only after you have logged out and logged in again. The language setting is one of the few things that works

Re: Language chooser at login

2011-07-04 Thread Gunnar Hjalmarsson
happened? On 2011-07-04 04:44, Robert Ancell wrote: On 2011-07-03 08:01, Gunnar Hjalmarsson wrote: Those who typically make use of the language chooser on the login screen are reasonably users who alter between two or more display languages. Maybe that group is a small share of the Ubuntu

Re: Language chooser at login

2011-07-04 Thread Marc Deslauriers
On Mon, 2011-07-04 at 12:44 +1000, Robert Ancell wrote: From what I've gathered talking to people the classes of user are: 1. Users who set the system language at install/first boot time, and never change it (the vast majority) 2. English as a second language users, who switch between their

Re: Language chooser at login

2011-07-04 Thread Oliver Grawert
hi, Am Montag, den 04.07.2011, 11:11 +0100 schrieb Matthew Paul Thomas: I haven't heard of any standard user requirements to switch between more than two languages, or two languages that do not include English (please post here if you know of any). well, just some of these environments

Re: Language chooser at login

2011-07-04 Thread Milan Bouchet-Valat
Le lundi 04 juillet 2011 à 11:11 +0100, Matthew Paul Thomas a écrit : Robert Ancell wrote on 04/07/11 03:44: If you change the display language within a session, it does not take effect in that session, but only after you have logged out and logged in again. The language setting is one of

Re: Language chooser at login

2011-07-04 Thread Robert Ancell
On 04/07/11 21:57, Marc Deslauriers wrote: On Mon, 2011-07-04 at 12:44 +1000, Robert Ancell wrote: From what I've gathered talking to people the classes of user are: 1. Users who set the system language at install/first boot time, and never change it (the vast majority) 2. English as a second

Re: Language chooser at login

2011-07-04 Thread Robert Ancell
On 04/07/11 20:11, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote: Robert Ancell wrote on 04/07/11 03:44: If you change the display language within a session, it does not take effect in that session, but only after you have logged out and logged in again. The language setting is one of the few things that

Re: Language chooser at login

2011-07-04 Thread Marc Deslauriers
On Tue, 2011-07-05 at 13:06 +1000, Robert Ancell wrote: On 04/07/11 21:57, Marc Deslauriers wrote: On Mon, 2011-07-04 at 12:44 +1000, Robert Ancell wrote: From what I've gathered talking to people the classes of user are: 1. Users who set the system language at install/first boot time, and

Re: Language chooser at login

2011-07-04 Thread Robert Ancell
On 04/07/11 21:00, Gunnar Hjalmarsson wrote: I take it that you would like to see a solid base for decision that we do not have access to. Given that, to me the natural conclusion is that Ubuntu keeps providing the feature for now. For a feature to exist, it needs a justification. I see no

Re: Language chooser at login

2011-07-04 Thread Martin Pitt
Marc Deslauriers [2011-07-04 23:29 -0400]: If the administrator can set the default language when creating a new user, it should be fine. I agree. With that, and the fact that the majority of use cases are already covered by the system wide default locale/language, I see little reason for

Re: Language chooser at login

2011-07-04 Thread Kevin Huang
On Tue, 2011-07-05 at 07:06 +0200, Martin Pitt wrote: Marc Deslauriers [2011-07-04 23:29 -0400]: If the administrator can set the default language when creating a new user, it should be fine. I agree. With that, and the fact that the majority of use cases are already covered by the

Language chooser at login

2011-07-03 Thread Gunnar Hjalmarsson
I have discussed briefly with a couple of developers whether there should be a language chooser on the login screen, and we believe it's a suitable topic for this list. The background is that GDM has provided a language chooser for a long time, but GNOME has (for unclear reasons) dropped

Re: Language chooser at login

2011-07-03 Thread Robert Ancell
that works that way. Yes, it's an unfortunate limitation of the system we use. Those who typically make use of the language chooser on the login screen are reasonably users who alter between two or more display languages. Maybe that group is a small share of the Ubuntu users, but to them it's much