Re: [Oneiric-Topic] Simplifying system sleep functions

[Christopher James Halse Rogers]

On Tue, 2011-04-19 at 21:17 -0400, Mathieu Trudel-Lapierre wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 8:09 PM, Jason Warner
>  wrote:
> [...]
> > 'sleep', the computer should both suspend and hibernate simultaneously.  The
> > computer remains suspended for a set period of time (e.g. 30min) or until
> > the battery charge falls below a set level.  At the point the suspend state
> > is discarded, and if  the user wakes the computer after this point their
> > state is restored from hibernate.  However if the user wakes the computer
> 
> Won't this not work at all, given that in S3 nothing runs on the CPU,
> and roughly just the RAM should be powered to maintain programs'
> state?

There's generally a timer that can be set to wake the system at the
appropriate time.  You'd set that timer, wake up at the appropriate
time, and then power down.

> 
> I rather like Jeremy's suggestion of hiding Hibernate behind a
> modifier key. Isn't that what Windows does too? Users migrating would
> then expect it to be to be possible in Ubuntu too, if the computer
> supports hibernating.

Hiding menu items behind modifier keys is *really* undiscoverable; I
think it should be avoided wherever possible.

> 
> Now, whether hibernate works correctly or not is another question, but
> I think we could further refine checks to make it more likely that it
> will work if it's presented as a choice to the user.

I think that reliability will be the determining factor in whether this
is usable or not.  This behaviour would be a win if I don't have to
worry that hibernate's not going to work - or that my laptop's going to
wake up in my backpack and then not shut down properly.


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Proposing to add Rodrigo Moya to ~ubuntu-desktop

[Martin Pitt]

Hello all,

Rodrigo has worked in the desktop team for several months now, and
will continue to do so. In my experience he has picked up all the
necessary packaging skills, is familiar with our processes, freezes,
revision control handling, and our goals. In the last couple of months
I did not have anything major to complain about his commits/uploads.

I propose to add him to the ~ubuntu-desktop team, so that he can
commit to our branches and upload GNOMEish packages directly.

He has already been a PPU for a while:
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RodrigoMoya/PerPackageUploadApplication

As per https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Developers we need two more
supporters for this.

Opinions?

Thanks,

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Re: Proposing to add Rodrigo Moya to ~ubuntu-desktop

[Chris Coulson]

On Wed, 2011-04-20 at 10:44 +0200, Martin Pitt wrote:
> Hello all,
> 
> Rodrigo has worked in the desktop team for several months now, and
> will continue to do so. In my experience he has picked up all the
> necessary packaging skills, is familiar with our processes, freezes,
> revision control handling, and our goals. In the last couple of months
> I did not have anything major to complain about his commits/uploads.
> 
> I propose to add him to the ~ubuntu-desktop team, so that he can
> commit to our branches and upload GNOMEish packages directly.
> 
> He has already been a PPU for a while:
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RodrigoMoya/PerPackageUploadApplication
> 
> As per https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Developers we need two more
> supporters for this.
> 
> Opinions?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Martin

+1

I haven't sponsored anything of Rodrigo's directly, but I did have a
quick look at his uploads and everything looks fine. He's very familiar
with the GNOME packages too. I'm surprised he wasn't already a member.

I'm sure that the additional help will be most welcome :)

Regards
Chris


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christophe.sauthier wants to join

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Hello Ubuntu Desktop,

Christophe Sauthier (huats) (christophe.sauthier) wants to be a member
of GNOME3 Team (gnome3-team), but this is a moderated team, so that
membership has to be approved.  You can approve, decline or leave it as
proposed by following the link below.

https://launchpad.net/~gnome3-team/+member/christophe.sauthier

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Re: Thoughts about Unity and some ideas for improvement

[Jo-Erlend Schinstad]

It'd be interesting to know how left-handed people feel about Unity.
It's very dominated by super-num, super-w, super-s, super-a, super-t,
etc. This is very nice for right-handed people, since you'd usually
use the right hand for the mouse. But left-handed people would
probably prefer to use the left hand for the mouse, forcing them to
move between the mouse and keyboard fairly often.

This is another good reason to use the alt-key in super-w and super-s,
etc, since that would reduce the necessity of using the mouse so you
don't have to move your hands as often.

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Re: [Oneiric-Topic] Simplifying system sleep functions

[Didier Roche]

Le mercredi 20 avril 2011 à 17:38 +1000, Christopher James Halse Rogers
a écrit :
> 
> I think that reliability will be the determining factor in whether
this
> is usable or not.  This behaviour would be a win if I don't have to
> worry that hibernate's not going to work - or that my laptop's going
to
> wake up in my backpack and then not shut down properly.

I totally agree with Christopher. The recent discussion on ubuntu-devel
showed that hibernate was broken on a quite huge extend of
hardwares/drivers, especially blob driver where we have no control over
at all (IIRC, nvidia doesn't work when resuming from hibernate. At
least, all my hardware with that card never had for me).

Didier


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Re: Thoughts about Unity and some ideas for improvement

[Zygmunt Krynicki]

W dniu 20.04.2011 11:20, Jo-Erlend Schinstad pisze:

It'd be interesting to know how left-handed people feel about Unity.
It's very dominated by super-num, super-w, super-s, super-a, super-t,
etc. This is very nice for right-handed people, since you'd usually
use the right hand for the mouse. But left-handed people would
probably prefer to use the left hand for the mouse, forcing them to
move between the mouse and keyboard fairly often.


I don't know any left handed person that also uses left hand for using 
the mouse. Perhaps my sample data is rare but that's what I observed.


(I am left handed as well)

Best regards
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Re: [Oneiric-Topic] Déjà Dup Backup Tool by default

[Michael Vogt]

On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 12:35:12PM -0400, Michael Terry wrote:
> Full disclosure: Déjà Dup is my own pet project.
> 
> Déjà Dup [1] is a simple backup tool designed to be easy to use and
> well integrated.  It's aimed at GNOME and casual users.
> 
>  * It's been a featured app in Ubuntu since they were introduced.
>  * It's been installed by default in Fedora since 13.
>  * I think it's an open question whether the default install needs a
> backup system, which is worth discussing.
>  * The version aimed at Oneiric has some UI changes planned to make
> it even more "invisible": de-emphasizing the goofy name, living as a
> control center panel not a special app.

I would love to see (optional) apt-clone integration for save/restore
of the installed packages list on the system. Combined with ubiquity
and ubuntu-one this could be a super easy way to restore a broken
machine. 

Cheers,
 Michael

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Featured Apps for Natty

[Jonathan Thomas]

Has there been any discussion on which featured apps will be showcased in
the Software Center for 11.04?  If not, is it too late in the release cycle
to update the list of applications before the release date?  I would of
course like to suggest OpenShot  be added to the
featured applications, but I'm sure there are many other great applications
that could and should be featured as well.

Thanks!
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Re: Default Desktop Experience for 11.04 - User testing results

[Jan Claeys]

Jeremy Bicha schreef op di 19-04-2011 om 15:37 [-0400]:
> On 19 April 2011 15:13, Jan Claeys  wrote:
> > Matthew Paul Thomas schreef op di 19-04-2011 om 15:55 [+0100]:
> >> *   The object of the study was, obviously, not to measure crashes.
> >> Crashes are usually quick to find and fix, so any user test of those
> >> would be weeks out of date when published. I mentioned them only as
> >> a reminder that to users, bugs are indistinguishable from design
> >> flaws, and vice versa. (For example, one test participant pressed
> >> Ctrl Alt F1 apparently by accident, and ended up at a console. This
> >> wasn't a crash, but it had exactly the same effect as one.)
> >
> > Maybe we need to add a line of text above the login prompt somehow, that
> > tells the user what key to press to get back to their GUI?  (This might
> > be difficult to do correctly with multiple logins etc. though?)
> 
> We could do like Fedora and have X on virtual terminal 1. Why do we
> need 6 virtual terminals anyway? 

I'm sure that's a possibility, but you still need more than 1 VT anyway,
e.g. when more than one user is logged in.  And developers might need
the virtual text consoles, while maybe their machine is also used by
inexperienced people at other times.

Maybe it would be better to just disable all the Alt+Ctrl+Fx keys by
default, with an option to enable them in the keyboard configuration
(similar to what was done with Ctrl+Alt+Backspace)?


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Re: Featured Apps for Natty

[Michael Vogt]

On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 10:04:49AM -0500, Jonathan Thomas wrote:
> Has there been any discussion on which featured apps will be showcased in
> the Software Center for 11.04?  If not, is it too late in the release cycle
> to update the list of applications before the release date?  I would of
> course like to suggest OpenShot  be added to the
> featured applications, but I'm sure there are many other great applications
> that could and should be featured as well.

We had a very brief internal discussion about it and decided to tweak
the list a little bit, but did not change much. I don't do video
editing, but I would welcome suggestions, though we are pretty late
for natty unfortunately.

Cheers,
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Re: Proposing to add Rodrigo Moya to ~ubuntu-desktop

[Robert Ancell]

On 04/20/2011 06:44 PM, Martin Pitt wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> Rodrigo has worked in the desktop team for several months now, and
> will continue to do so. In my experience he has picked up all the
> necessary packaging skills, is familiar with our processes, freezes,
> revision control handling, and our goals. In the last couple of months
> I did not have anything major to complain about his commits/uploads.
>
> I propose to add him to the ~ubuntu-desktop team, so that he can
> commit to our branches and upload GNOMEish packages directly.
>
> He has already been a PPU for a while:
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RodrigoMoya/PerPackageUploadApplication
>
> As per https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Developers we need two more
> supporters for this.
>
> Opinions?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Martin
+1 from me.  I've sponsored a number of his packages and have found his
work to be of high quality.

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Re: Thoughts about Unity and some ideas for improvement

[Steve Magoun]

On 04/20/2011 05:20 PM, Jo-Erlend Schinstad wrote:

It'd be interesting to know how left-handed people feel about Unity.
It's very dominated by super-num, super-w, super-s, super-a, super-t,
etc. This is very nice for right-handed people, since you'd usually
use the right hand for the mouse. But left-handed people would
probably prefer to use the left hand for the mouse, forcing them to
move between the mouse and keyboard fairly often.

This is another good reason to use the alt-key in super-w and super-s,
etc, since that would reduce the necessity of using the mouse so you
don't have to move your hands as often.


I'm left-handed, and I find the accelerator keys in Unity quite handy for 
use on my laptop w/ trackpad since I can operate both the accelerators and 
trackpad with my dominant hand. I'm pretty used to similar keystrokes for 
other operations anyway (Ctrl-W, Ctrl-Q, Ctrl-A, Ctrl-S, Ctrl-C...). Even 
when I'm using an external mouse (which I do with my left hand) it's not 
that onerous; other applications already force me to move my hands around.



Steve

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Re: Default Desktop Experience for 11.04

[Jorge O. Castro]

On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 11:55 AM, Evan Martin  wrote:
> (Chrome shows a systray icon when it has gone into "background" mode:
> no visible windows, but still running.  This allows extensions and
> apps to work in an "offline" fashion; e.g. a mail notifier can tell
> you you have new mail, and clicking would bring up a browser window.)

Application indicator documentation is here:
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopExperienceTeam/ApplicationIndicators

There's a fallback there so that if libappindicator isn't running your
app can just use the notification area.

> PS: I would love it if you published some guidelines about how to port
> apps to Unity.  Maybe these exist?  I haven't looked around too hard.

http://developer.ubuntu.com is finally starting to come together,
we're hoping this will be the one stop shop for upstream app
developers.

http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/ is probably the most interesting to you.

We also have a contact us page for any application developer that
needs a direct line to an engineer if they need help:
http://unity.ubuntu.com/contact-us/


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