Re: Ubuntu Desktop weekly meetings

2010-11-30 Thread Bryce Harrington
On Wed, Dec 01, 2010 at 07:51:20AM +0100, Martin Pitt wrote:
> Hello Robert,
> 
> Robert Ancell [2010-12-01 17:40 +1100]:
> > I propose we keep this format for now on.  Yes/no/should we change it?
> 
> Thanks for this initiative! I like the format as it is now, it's a
> much more interesting read. What we sohld perhaps point out even more
> is the stuff that we are currently blocked on, perhaps we should put
> that into a separate category as well?

I remember at the meeting we had discussed this as one of the key parts
of this report, but like you point out it appears many of us did not
include that information.

Perhaps you could elaborate on your vision for how our audience would
use this blocker information in the report?  I.e., would someone be
taking actions to clear people's blockers?

Bryce

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Re: Ubuntu Desktop weekly meetings

2010-11-30 Thread Bryce Harrington
On Wed, Dec 01, 2010 at 05:40:12PM +1100, Robert Ancell wrote:
> So this concludes the trial of the desktop meeting summary...  Results
> are here:
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Meeting/2010-11-30
> 
> I propose we keep this format for now on.  Yes/no/should we change it?

One other thought.  At this point we should solicit feedback from
whomever we consider to be the target audience for this report, to see
if this is delivering the appropriate amount of detail, or too much /
too little.

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Re: Ubuntu Desktop weekly meetings

2010-11-30 Thread Bryce Harrington
On Wed, Dec 01, 2010 at 05:40:12PM +1100, Robert Ancell wrote:
> I also bolded some key words to make it easier to skim-read, these are
> easy to add in the wiki as you enter items (use three apostrophes
> '''), and/or they can be quickly updated during the meeting (only
> takes a minute or so).
> 
> I propose we keep this format for now on.  Yes/no/should we change it?

I like the new format from a contribution point of view.  The old format
felt more like accounting work, which it seemed that no one would read
since it got to be so long.

The only thing I'd change is that the report still feels a bit like a
wall of bullet points.  There appear to be sets of bulletpoints that
sound related to one another, perhaps those could be combined/summarized
in one bullet each?  (I know this is really hard - I had to restrain
myself to fit all my wayland work to one bullet, you know how verbose I
usually am!)

Bryce

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Re: Ubuntu Desktop weekly meetings

2010-11-30 Thread Martin Pitt
Hello Robert,

Robert Ancell [2010-12-01 17:40 +1100]:
> I propose we keep this format for now on.  Yes/no/should we change it?

Thanks for this initiative! I like the format as it is now, it's a
much more interesting read. What we sohld perhaps point out even more
is the stuff that we are currently blocked on, perhaps we should put
that into a separate category as well?

Thanks,

Martin

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Re: Ubuntu Desktop weekly meetings

2010-11-30 Thread Robert Ancell

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Hi all,

So this concludes the trial of the desktop meeting summary...  Results
are here:
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Meeting/2010-11-30

It seemed the consensus was the categories were important, so I
reformatted the list to include them.  I suggest we have a policy that
anything of ongoing importance/churn should have it's own category,
and these will change over time (e.g. I suspect the Unity category
will be not so important in a few cycles whereas we might be doing a
lot of developer experience work that would require one).

I also bolded some key words to make it easier to skim-read, these are
easy to add in the wiki as you enter items (use three apostrophes
'''), and/or they can be quickly updated during the meeting (only
takes a minute or so).

I propose we keep this format for now on.  Yes/no/should we change it?

- --Robert

On 18/11/10 10:50, Robert Ancell wrote:
>
> Today in the Eastern Edition of the Desktop meeting we discussed
> the structure and purpose of the weekly Desktop meetings. I'll try
> and summarise some of the points raised and propose some ideas.
>
> While the current meetings are working well, some of the
> challenges raised were: * Participants being split across
> timezones * Most participants work in different domains so
> traditional meeting structure may not be appropriate * The team is
> growing * How useful is the meeting summary? [1]
>
> I propose we more tightly define what the meeting purpose is, such
> as: * The meeting scope is the Ubuntu Desktop product * The purpose
> of the meeting is to share information about progress/issues * The
> meetings are open to everyone in the community * The meetings
> should not take significant time * There will be more than one
> meeting so participants from around the world can join in * The
> output of the meetings will be a wiki page summarising the weekly
> progress: * Actions to be taken * New work completed * Issues
> raised
>
> The summary should be useful to the following people: * Ubuntu
> Desktop team members * Potential Desktop team members who want to
> know what is going on / look for areas where they can contribute *
> Media (e.g. OMG Ubuntu) who want an official record of what is
> going on in the Desktop product
>
> We also discussed some technology, but I'll leave that to follow
> up emails to keep this email short.
>
> --Robert
>
> [1] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Meeting/2010-11-16
>
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