Re: Default App: xdiagnose
Where does this code actually live? The LP project hasn't got a commit since 2014, but the package has been updated since then... View Errors - prints out logs to stdout?, not the graphical window (might be related to me uninstalling syslog?) The other options seem to mostly be about changing the kernel command line... (and in my tests it got stuck keeping plymouth:debug=1*). Having a more user friendly way to modify the kernel command line certainly could be helpful, but I'm not sure how relevant some of those options are anymore.. (disabling PAT?).. Report an Xorg bug has no context around it at all... and cancelling the report will freeze both apport and xdiagnose indefinitely. >From what I can see, I'd definitely push to remove it... Thanks, Bryan *Somehow my kernel command line ended up as: splash plymouth:debug=1=1 plymouth:debug quiet On Thu, Jun 8, 2017 at 8:43 PM, Jeremy Bicha wrote: > The GNOME Activities Overview makes default installed apps much more > prominent so any app installed by default should work and be generally > useful. > > xdiagnose does not work with GNOME on Wayland (LP: #1616742) because > of the pkexec issue I mentioned in a separate thread on this list. > > The only Ubuntu flavors that include xdiagnose in 17.04 are Ubuntu > (Unity), Ubuntu Budgie and Ubuntu Kylin. > > Maybe whatever useful parts of the app should be moved to another > package or app? > > Jeremy > > -- > ubuntu-desktop mailing list > ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Default App: gnome-sushi
Is this substantially faster than just opening the files on other people's computers? For me it seems to take the same amount of time, which afaict defeats the main point (or am I wrong about the main point?) Making the thumbnails in Nautilus their biggest side seems more useful to me to find the files/pictures I want (if I really want to just use Nautilus for some reason). Thanks, Bryan On Thu, Jun 8, 2017 at 4:31 PM, Jeremy Bicha wrote: > Now that gnome-shell is in the default Ubuntu 17.10 daily image, I > think we could maybe start talking about other default apps. If we > want new stuff in main, I think it's good to start the Main Inclusion > process early. > > First, how about gnome-sushi? (Upstream's name is just 'sushi'). > > Sushi is a file previewer for nautilus. It can be activated by > pressing the spacebar when a file is selected. Sushi has been a part > of core GNOME since GNOME 3.2. It is described in the default user > help bundled with GNOME. [1] > > Sushi was never really considered for inclusion in Ubuntu's default > install earlier because it uses gjs which was not desired in Ubuntu > main until we needed GNOME Shell. > > There is one universe dependency: libmusicbrainz5. An earlier version > of this library, libmusicbrainz3, was in main in Ubuntu 12.04 LTS. > > [1] https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/files-preview.html > or you can run the installed version: > yelp help:gnome-help/files-preview > > Thanks, > Jeremy Bicha > > -- > ubuntu-desktop mailing list > ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Default App: GNOME Maps
On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 11:52 AM Sebastien Bacher wrote: > Hey there, > > Le 08/06/2017 à 23:52, Robert Ancell a écrit : > > I'd like to propose GNOME Maps. This uses gjs so it is include-able > > now gnome-shell is in main. Maps is a core GNOME app. > > Since we are copying the previous discussion ... how well is it > maintained upstream and in Debian/Ubuntu (as well as its depends like > libchamplain, geoclue?)? Does it have any know CVE? > Debian is using 3.22, we're using 3.24 so both distros are fairly up to date with appropriate dependencies. I think you mean gfbgraph not geoclue (already in main). No CVE that I could find in any of those packages. > It's worth looking at and could be a nice addition but I wonder how many > users are going to use it rather that just opening google map in their > webbrowser? > I was also thinking that. It's much like the email client case we have. While I think a lot of users will use Google Maps in their browser, you can still get a nicer experience with a local map app. The one advantage of an app is offline map browsing. This was being worked on [1] but I'm not sure of the current state of it. [1] https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=708799 -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Default App: remmina and vino
remmina was recently removed from the soon-to-be-released Debian 9 "Stretch". [1] Frankly, remmina has not been that well-maintained recently. See the Debian bug. remmina is a remote desktop client to view shared remote desktops using vnc, rdp (used by Windows) and other protocols. vino allows you to share your desktop remotely using vnc. GNOME on Wayland does not currently support remote desktop sharing. The GNOME developers would like to have a remote desktop replacement (similar to how Night Light provided redshift-like features on GNOME on Wayland) but I don't think that's gotten very far yet. [2] When it is implemented, it will be done "natively" so it won't need vino. [1] https://bugs.debian.org/863302 [2] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1696885 Thanks, Jeremy Bicha -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Default App: xdiagnose
The GNOME Activities Overview makes default installed apps much more prominent so any app installed by default should work and be generally useful. xdiagnose does not work with GNOME on Wayland (LP: #1616742) because of the pkexec issue I mentioned in a separate thread on this list. The only Ubuntu flavors that include xdiagnose in 17.04 are Ubuntu (Unity), Ubuntu Budgie and Ubuntu Kylin. Maybe whatever useful parts of the app should be moved to another package or app? Jeremy -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
GNOME on Wayland: pkexec
I mentioned briefly in Tuesday's team meeting that some apps like synaptic don't work on Wayland. I promised that I would provide a bit more information. Part of GNOME on Wayland's design enforces a higher level of security than non-Wayland. [1] Synaptic doesn't have real PolicyKit integration. It has a simple pkexec script that still ends up running the whole app as root instead of just the specific actions needed. This does not currently work in GNOME Shell. There actually is a GNOME Shell patch [2] that would allow this simple pkexec to work, but the GNOME Shell maintainer is understandably uncomfortable with pushing that change. I'm CCing the Ubuntu security mailing list, but I suggest that replies be kept to the ubuntu-desktop list. [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Common_F25_bugs#wayland-root-apps [2] https://bugzilla.gnome.org/763531 Thanks. Jeremy Bicha -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Default App: GNOME Maps
Jeremy pointed out that folks dropped out of main in artful, so that would have to go back in. On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 9:52 AM Robert Ancell wrote: > I'm going to copy Jeremy [1] and propose a new default app for 17.10... > > I'd like to propose GNOME Maps. This uses gjs so it is include-able now > gnome-shell is in main. Maps is a core GNOME app. > > Mapping is a standard feature of modern operating systems. By including > maps we also encourage Ubuntu users to improve OpenStreetMap and that > aligns with our open-source culture. > > There are two Universe dependencies: > - gfbgraph - A fairly simple wrapper library to access some Facebook > services > - libchamplain - Map rendering library, Reasonably complex but doesn't > have any complex dependencies. Probably useful for other apps. > > --Robert > > [1] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-desktop/2017-June/004970.html > -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Default App: gnome-sushi
On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 12:13 PM Jeremy Bicha wrote: > On Thu, Jun 8, 2017 at 7:35 PM, Robert Ancell > wrote: > > The functionality of Sushi seems very good but the discoverability is > > terrible. Has this been raised with upstream at all? > > Not that I'm aware of, but how would you make something like this more > discoverable except install it by default and mention it as a feature? > > I was expecting the right click menu to have a "Preview" entry (i.e. beside the open with entries) and spacebar would be a shortcut. It seems you can only know this feature exists if you've read the docs / been told. --Robert -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Default App: gnome-sushi
On Thu, Jun 8, 2017 at 7:35 PM, Robert Ancell wrote: > The functionality of Sushi seems very good but the discoverability is > terrible. Has this been raised with upstream at all? Not that I'm aware of, but how would you make something like this more discoverable except install it by default and mention it as a feature? On Thu, Jun 8, 2017 at 7:47 PM, Sebastien Bacher wrote: > Thanks Jeremy for starting that discussion. Your email doesn't gives > much details about the user experience benefits and the status of the > package/cost though. How is a typical user interaction with the tool > like? Is there any known side effect/user complains about it? What file > format does it preview and using what backend? How well is it maintained > upstream and in Debian/Ubuntu? What's the cve/bug reports status? It sounds like maybe I should go ahead and open a MIR bug to answer several of those questions! (but maybe hold off on subscribing ubuntu-mir for now). I don't recall any complaints about the feature. Maybe you should just install it and see for yourself? Here's a recent brief look: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/09/gnome-sushi-mac-quick-look-nautilus Thanks, Jeremy -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Default App: GNOME Maps
Hey there, Le 08/06/2017 à 23:52, Robert Ancell a écrit : > I'd like to propose GNOME Maps. This uses gjs so it is include-able > now gnome-shell is in main. Maps is a core GNOME app. Since we are copying the previous discussion ... how well is it maintained upstream and in Debian/Ubuntu (as well as its depends like libchamplain, geoclue?)? Does it have any know CVE? It's worth looking at and could be a nice addition but I wonder how many users are going to use it rather that just opening google map in their webbrowser? Cheers, Sebastien Bacher -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Default App: gnome-sushi
Hey there, Le 08/06/2017 à 22:31, Jeremy Bicha a écrit : > Sushi is a file previewer for nautilus. It can be activated by > pressing the spacebar when a file is selected. Sushi has been a part > of core GNOME since GNOME 3.2. It is described in the default user > help bundled with GNOME. [1] Thanks Jeremy for starting that discussion. Your email doesn't gives much details about the user experience benefits and the status of the package/cost though. How is a typical user interaction with the tool like? Is there any known side effect/user complains about it? What file format does it preview and using what backend? How well is it maintained upstream and in Debian/Ubuntu? What's the cve/bug reports status? Cheers, Sebastien Bacher -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Default App: GNOME Maps
GNOME Maps has been a core app since GNOME 3.20 On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 9:52 AM Robert Ancell wrote: > I'm going to copy Jeremy [1] and propose a new default app for 17.10... > > I'd like to propose GNOME Maps. This uses gjs so it is include-able now > gnome-shell is in main. Maps is a core GNOME app. > > Mapping is a standard feature of modern operating systems. By including > maps we also encourage Ubuntu users to improve OpenStreetMap and that > aligns with our open-source culture. > > There are two Universe dependencies: > - gfbgraph - A fairly simple wrapper library to access some Facebook > services > - libchamplain - Map rendering library, Reasonably complex but doesn't > have any complex dependencies. Probably useful for other apps. > > --Robert > > [1] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-desktop/2017-June/004970.html > -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Re: Default App: gnome-sushi
The functionality of Sushi seems very good but the discoverability is terrible. Has this been raised with upstream at all? On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 8:33 AM Jeremy Bicha wrote: > Now that gnome-shell is in the default Ubuntu 17.10 daily image, I > think we could maybe start talking about other default apps. If we > want new stuff in main, I think it's good to start the Main Inclusion > process early. > > First, how about gnome-sushi? (Upstream's name is just 'sushi'). > > Sushi is a file previewer for nautilus. It can be activated by > pressing the spacebar when a file is selected. Sushi has been a part > of core GNOME since GNOME 3.2. It is described in the default user > help bundled with GNOME. [1] > > Sushi was never really considered for inclusion in Ubuntu's default > install earlier because it uses gjs which was not desired in Ubuntu > main until we needed GNOME Shell. > > There is one universe dependency: libmusicbrainz5. An earlier version > of this library, libmusicbrainz3, was in main in Ubuntu 12.04 LTS. > > [1] https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/files-preview.html > or you can run the installed version: > yelp help:gnome-help/files-preview > > Thanks, > Jeremy Bicha > > -- > ubuntu-desktop mailing list > ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop > -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Default App: GNOME Maps
I'm going to copy Jeremy [1] and propose a new default app for 17.10... I'd like to propose GNOME Maps. This uses gjs so it is include-able now gnome-shell is in main. Maps is a core GNOME app. Mapping is a standard feature of modern operating systems. By including maps we also encourage Ubuntu users to improve OpenStreetMap and that aligns with our open-source culture. There are two Universe dependencies: - gfbgraph - A fairly simple wrapper library to access some Facebook services - libchamplain - Map rendering library, Reasonably complex but doesn't have any complex dependencies. Probably useful for other apps. --Robert [1] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-desktop/2017-June/004970.html -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Default App: gnome-sushi
Now that gnome-shell is in the default Ubuntu 17.10 daily image, I think we could maybe start talking about other default apps. If we want new stuff in main, I think it's good to start the Main Inclusion process early. First, how about gnome-sushi? (Upstream's name is just 'sushi'). Sushi is a file previewer for nautilus. It can be activated by pressing the spacebar when a file is selected. Sushi has been a part of core GNOME since GNOME 3.2. It is described in the default user help bundled with GNOME. [1] Sushi was never really considered for inclusion in Ubuntu's default install earlier because it uses gjs which was not desired in Ubuntu main until we needed GNOME Shell. There is one universe dependency: libmusicbrainz5. An earlier version of this library, libmusicbrainz3, was in main in Ubuntu 12.04 LTS. [1] https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/files-preview.html or you can run the installed version: yelp help:gnome-help/files-preview Thanks, Jeremy Bicha -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
