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Robert Ancell wrote on 15/04/14 23:25:
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> On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 10:47 PM, Sebastien Bacher
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>> Le 15/04/2014 04:32, Robert Ancell a écrit :
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>>> Put PolicyKit handling into the shell. We use policykit-gnome
>>> for the dialog
On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 7:44 PM, Jo-Erlend Schinstad
wrote:
> I want to remind everyone that Microsoft _had to_ switch quickly. It was
> apparent that ARM was here to stay and they had no defence. With all the
> third-party apps, created around the proprietary ideals, they could never
> have compe
On 17 April 2014 16:22, Marco Trevisan wrote:
> It's also true that at some point we have to deliver that, and put it in
> production in a point release, in order to get things to work in the
> real world. So, the point is: if an user prefer to keep the status-quo
> until the converged experienc
Il giorno gio, 17/04/2014 alle 06.42 +0200, Jo-Erlend Schinstad ha
scritto:
> On 17 April 2014 05:01, Robert Park wrote:
> Nobody is going to force you to use a phone interface if you
> don't want to.
> If someone tells you that they're deeply passionate about an Ubuntu
> projec
hi,
Am Donnerstag, den 17.04.2014, 02:50 +0200 schrieb Jo-Erlend Schinstad:
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> On 16 April 2014 07:47, Martin Pitt wrote:
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> [snip]
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> It's a much bigger and urgent problem to be able to provide a
> phone/desktop image which can work with click apps and image
>
On 17 April 2014 05:01, Robert Park wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 7:44 PM, Jo-Erlend Schinstad
> wrote:
> > I was very happy to read the main from Jason Warner, by the way. I'm just
> > not entirely sure what he means. I hope it means giving us desktop users
> a
> > period of calm, like the G
On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 7:44 PM, Jo-Erlend Schinstad
wrote:
> I was very happy to read the main from Jason Warner, by the way. I'm just
> not entirely sure what he means. I hope it means giving us desktop users a
> period of calm, like the Gnome desktop used to be for ten years before the
> whole
On 17 April 2014 04:00, Robert Park wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 6:11 PM, Jason Warner
> wrote:
> > When I read Jo-Erlend's email, this stuck out at me:
> >
> > "but don't merge them too soon"
> >
> > We are going to be certain to merge when ready and not before.
>
> Yes, sorry I wasn't clea
On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 6:11 PM, Jason Warner
wrote:
> When I read Jo-Erlend's email, this stuck out at me:
>
> "but don't merge them too soon"
>
> We are going to be certain to merge when ready and not before.
Yes, sorry I wasn't clear, I'm not trying to suggest that we merge
them immediately or
On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 6:03 PM, Robert Park wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 5:50 PM, Jo-Erlend Schinstad
> wrote:
> > In other words;
> > the PC Desktop needs to be the best PC desktop there is. The Phone
> desktop
> > does not.
>
> But the whole point of Convergence is that the "PC Desktop" *i
On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 5:50 PM, Jo-Erlend Schinstad
wrote:
> In other words;
> the PC Desktop needs to be the best PC desktop there is. The Phone desktop
> does not.
But the whole point of Convergence is that the "PC Desktop" *is* the
"Phone desktop". Therefore the "Phone desktop" needs to be th
On 16 April 2014 07:47, Martin Pitt wrote:
[snip]
> It's a much bigger and urgent problem to be able to provide a
> phone/desktop image which can work with click apps and image based
> upgrades but at the same time allows you to install classic Ubuntu
> packages. That problem is never going to
hi,
Am Mittwoch, den 16.04.2014, 07:47 +0200 schrieb Martin Pitt:
> Robert Ancell [2014-04-16 9:52 +1200]:
> > I agree this is an enormous change but the reality of what convergence
> > means. We want the same apps to run on the phone as the desktop so
> > when you dock your phone the apps work in
Le 16/04/2014 10:13, Martin Pitt a écrit :
> Yes, for sure. I wasn't saying that it doesn't matter to make our
> phone apps desktop-compatible, just that I think that we have more
> fundamental problems to solve first for an actual convergence
> story.
Right. As Robert wrote, most of the work on a
Sebastien Bacher [2014-04-16 10:09 +0200]:
> Well, one point where it matters (at least a bit) is that if you dock
> your phone you ideally want your music to keep playing. If the phone and
> desktop modes have different players it becomes trickier to have a
> "smooth transition" and not loose part
Le 16/04/2014 07:47, Martin Pitt a écrit :
> It doesn't matter that much if in "desktop mode" we use a different
> music player or image viewer, as long as they both show the same files
> (yay XDG dirs).
Well, one point where it matters (at least a bit) is that if you dock
your phone you ideally w
Robert Ancell [2014-04-16 9:52 +1200]:
> I agree this is an enormous change but the reality of what convergence
> means. We want the same apps to run on the phone as the desktop so
> when you dock your phone the apps work in both form factors.
I'm not so sure about that. To me, convergence primar
Il giorno mer, 16/04/2014 alle 10.25 +1200, Robert Ancell ha scritto:
> On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 10:47 PM, Sebastien Bacher wrote:
> > Le 15/04/2014 04:32, Robert Ancell a écrit :
> >> With 14.04 wrapping up it's time to start thinking about what we can
> >> do with the desktop post LTS. I think th
On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 10:47 PM, Sebastien Bacher wrote:
> Le 15/04/2014 04:32, Robert Ancell a écrit :
>> With 14.04 wrapping up it's time to start thinking about what we can
>> do with the desktop post LTS. I think there's one big theme we need to
>> focus on - Convergence. All the Unity 8 good
On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 8:42 AM, Jason Warner
wrote:
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> On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 1:12 PM, Robert Park
> wrote:
>> What is the solution? Will we make the desktop roll? Will we subject
>> the phone to freezes? I don't know which approach is superior but the
>> only thing that's certain is that
On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 8:37 PM, Adam Dingle wrote:
> If you replace all these apps with something else, I think that will be the
> largest change in Ubuntu's history - most of these apps have been around
> since the dawn of time and are very familiar to Ubuntu users. I'd go so far
> as to say th
On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 1:12 PM, Robert Park wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 7:32 PM, Robert Ancell
> wrote:
> > Are there any other good opportunities for us to start tackling?
>
> How about the release process itself? Ubuntu Desktop has freeze
> periods for it's 6-monthly releases while Ubuntu
On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 7:32 PM, Robert Ancell
wrote:
> Are there any other good opportunities for us to start tackling?
How about the release process itself? Ubuntu Desktop has freeze
periods for it's 6-monthly releases while Ubuntu Touch just
steamrolls* right through. This causes some impedanc
On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 1:37 AM, Adam Dingle wrote:
> Robert, thanks for your message. Obviously all of these are significant
> projects, but the task "Replace core apps" at the end of your list would
> seem to be larger than everything else, depending of course by what you mean
> by core.
Diffe
Le 15/04/2014 04:32, Robert Ancell a écrit :
> With 14.04 wrapping up it's time to start thinking about what we can
> do with the desktop post LTS. I think there's one big theme we need to
> focus on - Convergence. All the Unity 8 goodness that is going into
> the phone / tablet builds is coming ou
Robert, thanks for your message. Obviously all of these are
significant projects, but the task "Replace core apps" at the end of
your list would seem to be larger than everything else, depending of
course by what you mean by core. I'm still a little in the dark as to
Ubuntu's intentions here:
With 14.04 wrapping up it's time to start thinking about what we can
do with the desktop post LTS. I think there's one big theme we need to
focus on - Convergence. All the Unity 8 goodness that is going into
the phone / tablet builds is coming our way and we need to be prepared
for that migration.
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