Re: Ubuntu 13.10 should be upgraded to LTS status

2013-12-22 Thread Mark Rogers
On 19 December 2013 07:35, Mark Shuttleworth m...@hbd.com wrote: My recommendation to business users considering the move from XP to Ubuntu would be: * evaluate 13.10 for usability and performance on your hardware * evaluate 14.04 beta to refine your perspective * if Ubuntu meets your

Re: Ubuntu 13.10 should be upgraded to LTS status

2013-12-22 Thread Colin Law
On 18 December 2013 21:40, Luke Faraone lfara...@ubuntu.com wrote: ... Do note that the default download of 12.04 from the Ubuntu site will result in a running system with the kernel in 13.10, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack. That said, if there's hardware that is broken

Re: Ubuntu 13.10 should be upgraded to LTS status

2013-12-18 Thread Oliver Grawert
hi, Am Dienstag, den 29.10.2013, 15:56 + schrieb Mark Rogers: Even if it is too late to stop 14.04 being considered LTS, I believe that the extra investment required to commit to LTS support for 13.10 would help make Ubuntu a realistic option for XP refugees, of which there are many. wow,

Re: Ubuntu 13.10 should be upgraded to LTS status

2013-12-18 Thread Dimitri John Ledkov
Hello Mark and ubuntu-devel, On 29 October 2013 15:56, Mark Rogers m...@more-solutions.co.uk wrote: [Moved here from bug 1245870] I've marked the bug won't fix and set assignee to Ubuntu Release Team, as common release decisions are delegated to that team by the Ubuntu Technical Committee.

Re: Ubuntu 13.10 should be upgraded to LTS status

2013-12-18 Thread Mark Rogers
On 18 December 2013 10:33, Oliver Grawert o...@ubuntu.com wrote: wow, you highly underestimate how much manpower it costs to support a release for *five* years ... LTS releases need to be selected in advance so that the versions of the software we include in the release are actually supported

Re: Ubuntu 13.10 should be upgraded to LTS status

2013-12-18 Thread Seth Arnold
On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 11:33:08AM +0100, Oliver Grawert wrote: what scott said is absolutely right, XP users should just use 13.10 and upgrade to 14.04 once it is out. Microsoft releases security updates on a monthly schedule; in the month or so between XP's end-of-life and 14.04 LTS's start

Re: Ubuntu 13.10 should be upgraded to LTS status

2013-12-18 Thread Luke Faraone
On 18/12/13 07:08, Mark Rogers wrote: On 18 December 2013 10:33, Oliver Grawert o...@ubuntu.com mailto:o...@ubuntu.com wrote: what scott said is absolutely right, XP users should just use 13.10 and upgrade to 14.04 once it is out. So there's a definite preference for 13.10 -

Re: Ubuntu 13.10 should be upgraded to LTS status

2013-12-18 Thread Mark Shuttleworth
13.10 makes an excellent test harness for folks evaluating Ubuntu as an alternative to XP; the availability of 14.04 in April means that fresh LTS installs can take place upon the effective expiration of XP maintenance. My recommendation to business users considering the move from XP to Ubuntu

Ubuntu 13.10 should be upgraded to LTS status

2013-12-17 Thread Mark Rogers
[Moved here from bug 1245870] I believe that Ubuntu 13.10 should be upgraded to LTS status. Rationale: - Mir missed 13.10, and may not be sufficiently mature to put into 14.04LTS, although would be acceptable in a non-LTS release. - Windows XP ceases to get support after April 2014. Anyone

Re: Ubuntu 13.10 should be upgraded to LTS status

2013-12-17 Thread Scott Ritchie
which path is better. LTS releases are not simply a matter of backporting packages for years later, they must be aggressively planned ahead of time. On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 8:56 AM, Mark Rogers m...@more-solutions.co.uk wrote: [Moved here from bug 1245870] I believe that Ubuntu 13.10 should