Re: future of the Ubuntu Packaging Guide

2007-09-24 Thread Alexandre Vassalotti
Sorry Jordan for the late reply. I been quite busy during the last few weeks and I haven't been able to keep up with the recent discussions about the guide. I just would like to say that I am strongly in favor for moving the guide to the wiki. Working solely with patches is a pain, always require

Re: future of the Ubuntu Packaging Guide

2007-09-17 Thread Mathias Gug
Hi Phil, On Sun, Sep 16, 2007 at 02:05:24PM +0100, Phil Bull wrote: The wiki doesn't have to be editable to everyone. You can define an ACL on a per-page basis [1], although this may need to be turned on in the Moin configuration. It would also require the wiki administrator to maintain the

Re: future of the Ubuntu Packaging Guide

2007-09-17 Thread Reinhard Tartler
Daniel Holbach [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Am Freitag, den 14.09.2007, 16:24 +0200 schrieb Reinhard Tartler: My fear with having that piece of documentation in a wiki is that we won't be able to deal with people asking for comments/clarification or just discussing things about certain parts.

Re: future of the Ubuntu Packaging Guide

2007-09-16 Thread Phil Bull
Hi Jordan, On Wed, 2007-09-12 at 11:10 -0700, Jordan Mantha wrote: [...] * since the wiki is editable to anyone ( usually a good thing) there is the possibility of people doing bad things, either accidentally or maliciously, to the packaging guide. The wiki doesn't have to be editable to

Re: future of the Ubuntu Packaging Guide

2007-09-14 Thread Daniel Holbach
Am Donnerstag, den 13.09.2007, 09:38 +0200 schrieb Reinhard Tartler: 1. move the packaging guide to a bzr branch hosted in launchpad in the ubuntu-dev team. I have mixed feelings about this. I think having it in bzr on LP would be much better than in the ubuntu-docs SVN, as it's more

Re: future of the Ubuntu Packaging Guide

2007-09-14 Thread Reinhard Tartler
Daniel Holbach [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It's more complicated to write things in docbook and everybody of us knows how to use a Wiki. We have Wiki notifications of changes we want to stay on top on and it's just more natural to work with it. [...] I personally feel that the wiki is a much

Re: future of the Ubuntu Packaging Guide

2007-09-14 Thread Jordan Mantha
On 9/14/07, Reinhard Tartler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Daniel Holbach [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It's more complicated to write things in docbook and everybody of us knows how to use a Wiki. We have Wiki notifications of changes we want to stay on top on and it's just more natural to work

Re: future of the Ubuntu Packaging Guide

2007-09-14 Thread Mathias Gug
Hi, On Fri, Sep 14, 2007 at 08:58:41AM -0700, Jordan Mantha wrote: 1. The Packaging Guide is the only developer documentation not on the wiki. We have all our process documentation, policies, release schedule, etc. on the wiki. If quality and vandalism were a problem then I be more worried

Re: future of the Ubuntu Packaging Guide

2007-09-14 Thread Stefan Potyra
Hi, Am Donnerstag 13 September 2007 09:38:06 schrieb Reinhard Tartler: Jordan Mantha [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On 9/12/07, Reinhard Tartler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Have you considered moving the Ubuntu Packaging Guide to a debian package? They are using a docbook variant called

Re: future of the Ubuntu Packaging Guide

2007-09-14 Thread Scott Ritchie
Stefan Potyra wrote: Nonetheless, as written in the thread already, the wiki has the big advantage to have a lower entry barrier. OTOH the wiki is (and probably always will be) a kind of dumping place. As an example, I wanted to remove [1] once, which I started, but never finished (and

Re: future of the Ubuntu Packaging Guide

2007-09-13 Thread Reinhard Tartler
Jordan Mantha [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On 9/12/07, Reinhard Tartler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Have you considered moving the Ubuntu Packaging Guide to a debian package? They are using a docbook variant called 'DebianDoc', which seems to work for them. Would that work perhaps for us as well,

Re: future of the Ubuntu Packaging Guide

2007-09-13 Thread Daniel Holbach
Am Mittwoch, den 12.09.2007, 11:10 -0700 schrieb Jordan Mantha: After some discussion with Daniel Holbach and Matthew East I would like to propose that the Ubuntu Packaging Guide be moved from the Doc Team repo/website to the wiki. I appreciate that initiative. Reviewing the MOTU wiki pages I

Re: future of the Ubuntu Packaging Guide

2007-09-13 Thread Luca Falavigna
Daniel Holbach ha scritto: Once we find out how we can convert moin wiki to docbook (and I believe there's a tool for that), we can package that by a script quite easily. MoinMoin supports DocBook conversion on the fly since 1.3.5, see http://moinmoin.wikiwikiweb.de/DocBook for further

Re: future of the Ubuntu Packaging Guide

2007-09-13 Thread Matthew East
Hi, On 13/09/2007, Daniel Holbach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am Mittwoch, den 12.09.2007, 11:10 -0700 schrieb Jordan Mantha: After some discussion with Daniel Holbach and Matthew East I would like to propose that the Ubuntu Packaging Guide be moved from the Doc Team repo/website to the wiki.

future of the Ubuntu Packaging Guide

2007-09-12 Thread Jordan Mantha
Hi all! After some discussion with Daniel Holbach and Matthew East I would like to propose that the Ubuntu Packaging Guide be moved from the Doc Team repo/website to the wiki. Here are some reasons for doing so: * the packaging guide has been essentially unmaintained for a couple releases now.

Re: future of the Ubuntu Packaging Guide

2007-09-12 Thread Mario Limonciello
Jordan, Well perhaps if we set up a moin moin PDF exporting plugin, this could turn into a nice setup that still won't lose the advantages of doing it in docbook format. Something like this: http://moinmoin.wikiwikiweb.de/ActionMarket/PdfAction Alternatively, if you are worried about malicious

Re: future of the Ubuntu Packaging Guide

2007-09-12 Thread Reinhard Tartler
Jordan Mantha [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: After some discussion with Daniel Holbach and Matthew East I would like to propose that the Ubuntu Packaging Guide be moved from the Doc Team repo/website to the wiki. Have you considered moving the Ubuntu Packaging Guide to a debian package? They are

Re: future of the Ubuntu Packaging Guide

2007-09-12 Thread Scott Ritchie
Jordan Mantha wrote: Hi all! After some discussion with Daniel Holbach and Matthew East I would like to propose that the Ubuntu Packaging Guide be moved from the Doc Team repo/website to the wiki. Here are some reasons for doing so: * the packaging guide has been essentially

Re: future of the Ubuntu Packaging Guide

2007-09-12 Thread Jordan Mantha
On 9/12/07, Reinhard Tartler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jordan Mantha [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: After some discussion with Daniel Holbach and Matthew East I would like to propose that the Ubuntu Packaging Guide be moved from the Doc Team repo/website to the wiki. Have you considered moving

Re: future of the Ubuntu Packaging Guide

2007-09-12 Thread Ian
Ola, Sorry to hijack this thread but i wondered how you were going to do this: automatic docbook-moin conversion and on a related subject do you know of some way of doing docbook - ReStructuredText conversion.?? Concerning your idea I think it will definitely give easier access to people for