Re: [ubuntu-uk] Lack of support for small business

2011-11-19 Thread john beddard
On 19/11/11 00:50, Gareth France wrote: Naturally everything is in it's infancy right now. I'll be providing a mix of new and reasonable spec second hand machines. Expect the range to be rather limited at first but I'll be looking to grow it quite quickly. The website isn't up just yet but

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Lack of support for small business

2011-11-19 Thread Gareth France
I have no interest in borrowing money whatsoever. I'm hoping to develop in the direction of group meets, training days etc. I'm intrigued by the idea of install fests, plenty of opportunities out there. On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 9:21 AM, john beddard j...@creationspace.co.ukwrote: On 19/11/11

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Lack of support for small business

2011-11-19 Thread john beddard
On 19/11/11 09:28, Gareth France wrote: I have no interest in borrowing money whatsoever. I'm hoping to develop in the direction of group meets, training days etc. I'm intrigued by the idea of install fests, plenty of opportunities out there. On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 9:21 AM, john beddard

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Lack of support for small business

2011-11-19 Thread Gareth France
That's worth bearing in mind. I'll add it to my list of things to investigate next week. On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 9:48 AM, john beddard j...@creationspace.co.ukwrote: On 19/11/11 09:28, Gareth France wrote: I have no interest in borrowing money whatsoever. I'm hoping to develop in the

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Lack of support for small business

2011-11-19 Thread Barry Titterton
On Fri, 2011-11-18 at 23:32 +, Gareth France wrote: Recently I decided to do my part by starting up a small business selling machines with Ubuntu pre-installed and offering support. My bank have refused to offer me a business account at all 'because it's too risky to open an account for a

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Lack of support for small business

2011-11-19 Thread Gareth France
Barclays are the ones who refused me. HSBC are the ones who seem to be allergic to software. I wonder if their own PC's had pre-installed OSs and if so where do the people they bought from bank? On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 10:13 AM, Barry Titterton barry.titter...@mail.adsl4less.com wrote: On Fri,

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Lack of support for small business

2011-11-19 Thread Alan Bell
On 19/11/11 09:28, Gareth France wrote: I have no interest in borrowing money whatsoever. I'm hoping to develop in the direction of group meets, training days etc. I'm intrigued by the idea of install fests, plenty of opportunities out there. sounds great, and the LoCo team is here to support

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Lack of support for small business

2011-11-19 Thread Alan Bell
On 19/11/11 10:20, Gareth France wrote: I think carousel fraud involves claiming a VAT refund from the British government for items that you claim to have purchased abroad. By the time the paperwork has caught up you are long gone with the money. Small high value items are the favourite subject

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Lack of support for small business

2011-11-19 Thread Gareth France
It's way too early for that at the moment. I'd like to get on my feet first. By the way, I had forgotten how much I HATED working with zen cart. There's far too many options and far too many things I don't seem to have options for. However the website is now up and running, in all it's default

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Lack of support for small business

2011-11-19 Thread Bruno Girin
On 19/11/11 10:20, Gareth France wrote: Barclays are the ones who refused me. HSBC are the ones who seem to be allergic to software. I wonder if their own PC's had pre-installed OSs and if so where do the people they bought from bank? Funny that, I didn't have any problem opening a business

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Lack of support for small business

2011-11-19 Thread Gareth France
I have an appointment with Lloyds next week. Bare in mind I'm not trying to sell the bank software, but they are getting cold feet about the idea of me selling a PC with software on. On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 10:59 AM, Bruno Girin brunogi...@gmail.com wrote: On 19/11/11 10:20, Gareth France

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Lack of support for small business

2011-11-19 Thread Bruno Girin
On 19/11/11 11:06, Gareth France wrote: I have an appointment with Lloyds next week. Bare in mind I'm not trying to sell the bank software, but they are getting cold feet about the idea of me selling a PC with software on. I understand that. I was only saying that in my experience banks have

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Lack of support for small business

2011-11-19 Thread Gareth France
I fail to see a market for selling machines with no OS! That's far too niche for my liking. The fact is you have to install something. And I've been through all this with him and sent him scurrying back to his boss with a corrected view of my proposal. Lol On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 12:31 PM, Bruno

[ubuntu-uk] Open Source Procurement Toolkit

2011-11-19 Thread Chris Rowson
I thought some of you might be interested in this recent guidance released by the Cabinet Office on Open Source Software: http://www.cabinetoffice.gov.uk/resource-library/open-source-procurement-toolkit It's publicly accessible so you don't need a .gov.uk address to get access, and it might be

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Open Source Procurement Toolkit

2011-11-19 Thread alan c
On 19/11/11 14:45, Chris Rowson wrote: I thought some of you might be interested in this recent guidance released by the Cabinet Office on Open Source Software: http://www.cabinetoffice.gov.uk/resource-library/open-source-procurement-toolkit It's publicly accessible so you don't need a

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Open Source Procurement Toolkit

2011-11-19 Thread Avi Greenbury
Chris Rowson wrote: The 'All About Open Source' document is particularly interesting because it explains why UK.gov can't mandate Open Source software. It's not entirely straight forward; I'm not entirely sure, but I think it means to say that UK.gov considers 'Open Source' a product

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Open Source Procurement Toolkit

2011-11-19 Thread Chris Rowson
The 'All About Open Source' document is particularly interesting because it explains why UK.gov can't mandate Open Source software. It's not entirely straight forward; I'm not entirely sure, but I think it means to say that UK.gov considers 'Open Source' a product (perhaps like

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Open Source Procurement Toolkit

2011-11-19 Thread alan c
On 19/11/11 20:24, Barry Drake wrote: On 19/11/11 14:45, Chris Rowson wrote: I thought some of you might be interested in this recent guidance released by the Cabinet Office on Open Source Software: I'm quite excited by this. I had already contacted my MP, MEP, local councillor and County

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Open Source Procurement Toolkit

2011-11-19 Thread Avi Greenbury
Chris Rowson wrote: The bit that jumped out at me personally was the legal definition of open source as a product rather than a feature. I wondered if this might make it difficult to specify open source as a requirement in a tender (because it seems that as far as the legal definition in the

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Open Source Procurement Toolkit

2011-11-19 Thread alan c
On 19/11/11 20:33, Chris Rowson wrote: The 'All About Open Source' document is particularly interesting because it explains why UK.gov can't mandate Open Source software. It's not entirely straight forward; I'm not entirely sure, but I think it means to say that UK.gov considers 'Open

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Open Source Procurement Toolkit

2011-11-19 Thread Chris Rowson
I can also understand a general unwillingness to disconnect software from the license under which it is made available; I don't see what's gained from splitting them. Why would you wish to be able to ban non-Open source products from tendering? You wouldn't want to ban non-open source

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Open Source Procurement Toolkit

2011-11-19 Thread alan c
On 19/11/11 21:03, Avi Greenbury wrote: Chris Rowson wrote: The bit that jumped out at me personally was the legal definition of open source as a product rather than a feature. I wondered if this might make it difficult to specify open source as a requirement in a tender (because it seems

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Open Source Procurement Toolkit

2011-11-19 Thread alan c
On 19/11/11 20:40, Juan J. Martínez wrote: I don't know the details about UK gov, but in Spain the government pays an absurd amount of money just for the licenses, and then pays for support... frequently from a third party (probably the vendor providing the hardware, with a partnership with

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Open Source Procurement Toolkit

2011-11-19 Thread Juan J.
On Sat, 2011-11-19 at 21:37 +, alan c wrote: On 19/11/11 20:40, Juan J. Martínez wrote: I don't know the details about UK gov, but in Spain the government pays an absurd amount of money just for the licenses, and then pays for support... frequently from a third party (probably the

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Open Source Procurement Toolkit

2011-11-19 Thread Alan Bell
On 19/11/11 20:33, Chris Rowson wrote: I did wonder if anyone on the list had responded to the Cabinet Office consultation :-) I am kind of involved in the process (funny how Ubuntu ended up on the list isn't it? . . .) It is hugely political, and a bit Yes Ministerish but yeah there

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Open Source Procurement Toolkit

2011-11-19 Thread Chris Rowson
On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 9:57 PM, Alan Bell alan.b...@libertus.co.uk wrote: On 19/11/11 20:33, Chris Rowson wrote: I did wonder if anyone on the list had responded to the Cabinet Office consultation :-) I am kind of involved in the process (funny how Ubuntu ended up on the list isn't

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Open Source Procurement Toolkit

2011-11-19 Thread Avi Greenbury
Chris Rowson wrote: I can also understand a general unwillingness to disconnect software from the license under which it is made available; I don't see what's gained from splitting them. Why would you wish to be able to ban non-Open source products from tendering? You wouldn't want to