Re: [ubuntu-uk] I'm new

2011-08-01 Thread Paula Graham
On 31/07/11 09:34, Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote: On 27/07/2011 12:40, Paula Graham wrote: It sounds like it's a simple problem with wifi on a BT hub H. I use BT with a BT hub and connecting via Ubuntu is the same as Windows - click on the connection and enter the password. Job done. I

Re: [ubuntu-uk] I'm new

2011-07-31 Thread Gordon Burgess-Parker
On 27/07/2011 12:40, Paula Graham wrote: It sounds like it's a simple problem with wifi on a BT hub H. I use BT with a BT hub and connecting via Ubuntu is the same as Windows - click on the connection and enter the password. Job done. I can't imagine what problems she is having --

Re: [ubuntu-uk] I'm new

2011-07-29 Thread alan c
On 29/07/11 00:12, Avi Greenbury wrote: alan c wrote: Mat It has been said *clearly* what went wrong! The chap on the [irc] who's responded to my plea for help has just given me technical jargon answers I simply don't understand and he's putting me off Ubuntu. That's not clear at

Re: [ubuntu-uk] I'm new

2011-07-29 Thread Dianne Reuby
On Fri, 2011-07-29 at 09:12 +0100, alan c wrote: My immediate reaction is to think of prompting phone contact, or having it as an option somehow. In this case the user reverted to direct personal contact with a person already known to them, to confide in. It can be taken that the user did not

Re: [ubuntu-uk] I'm new

2011-07-29 Thread Barry Drake
On Fri, 2011-07-29 at 09:12 +0100, alan c wrote: and gave up. There may be a procedural way to help to avoid this, but the range of level of support from location of the 'any key' through to fluent terminal use is vast. I was very impressed by the support from Virgin broadband. I had upgraded

Re: [ubuntu-uk] I'm new

2011-07-29 Thread Alan Bell
On 29/07/11 09:33, Dianne Reuby wrote: My only experience of internet chat before Ubuntu was that AIM stuff that my children loved but I hated - mainly because it flooded with weird strangers. I was very nervous when I started using IRC because of this, and I was also worried that I could do

Re: [ubuntu-uk] I'm new

2011-07-29 Thread Tony Pursell
On Fri, 2011-07-29 at 09:33 +0100, Dianne Reuby wrote: On Fri, 2011-07-29 at 09:12 +0100, alan c wrote: My immediate reaction is to think of prompting phone contact, or having it as an option somehow. In this case the user reverted to direct personal contact with a person already known to

Re: [ubuntu-uk] I'm new

2011-07-29 Thread Avi Greenbury
Tony Pursell wrote: It does seem that Ubuntu is unprepared to meet the support needs of the type of general, every day user that it wants (I assume) to attract. If we were a commercial organisation, all the support workers would be trained and there would be a common approach. Canonical, the

Re: [ubuntu-uk] I'm new

2011-07-29 Thread Matthew Daubney
Hi Alan, While it is true the general issue has been stated, in order to properly assess what that specific user may see as technical and not technical really depends on the person. If we can get together some examples of where we have gone wrong we can assess each one and figure out how best to

Re: [ubuntu-uk] I'm new

2011-07-29 Thread Tony Pursell
On Fri, 2011-07-29 at 11:31 +0100, Avi Greenbury wrote: Tony Pursell wrote: It does seem that Ubuntu is unprepared to meet the support needs of the type of general, every day user that it wants (I assume) to attract. If we were a commercial organisation, all the support workers would be

Re: [ubuntu-uk] I'm new

2011-07-29 Thread Avi Greenbury
Tony Pursell wrote: Canonical, the commercial organisation, is configured so. I don't think you'll ever have a provided-in-free-time sort of support arrangement that matches up to the sorts of things that that the paid for ones do in terms of maintaining a low level of technical But

Re: [ubuntu-uk] I'm new

2011-07-29 Thread Paula Graham
On 29/07/11 09:51, Barry Drake wrote: On Fri, 2011-07-29 at 09:12 +0100, alan c wrote: and gave up. There may be a procedural way to help to avoid this, but the range of level of support from location of the 'any key' through to fluent terminal use is vast. I was very impressed by the support

Re: [ubuntu-uk] I'm new

2011-07-29 Thread Alan Bell
On 29/07/11 14:18, Paula Graham wrote: Agreed Barry - that's the sort of thing we always try (and don't always succeed) - she hasn't turned up this morning when she was supposed to bring in her laptop - I suspect it's a driver problem on an older laptop. If/when she does turn up, I'll get more

Re: [ubuntu-uk] I'm new

2011-07-29 Thread Alan Bell
On 29/07/11 14:18, Paula Graham wrote: Should I be sending people to the ubuntu-beginners channel instead? out of interest, how do you currently direct them, and how do you describe IRC to them? Alan -- The Open Learning Centre is rebranding, find out about our new name and look at

Re: [ubuntu-uk] I'm new

2011-07-29 Thread Tony Pursell
On Fri, 2011-07-29 at 14:47 +0100, Alan Bell wrote: On 29/07/11 14:18, Paula Graham wrote: Should I be sending people to the ubuntu-beginners channel instead? out of interest, how do you currently direct them, and how do you describe IRC to them? Alan and do you suggest any of the

Re: [ubuntu-uk] I'm new

2011-07-29 Thread alan c
On 29/07/11 12:35, Matthew Daubney wrote: Hi Alan, While it is true the general issue has been stated, in order to properly assess what that specific user may see as technical and not technical really depends on the person. If we can get together some examples of where we have gone wrong we

Re: [ubuntu-uk] I'm new

2011-07-29 Thread Matthew Daubney
On 29 July 2011 17:28, alan c aecl...@candt.waitrose.com wrote: On 29/07/11 12:35, Matthew Daubney wrote: Hi Alan, While it is true the general issue has been stated, in order to properly assess what that specific user may see as technical and not technical really depends on the person. If

Re: [ubuntu-uk] I'm new

2011-07-29 Thread dianne reuby
On 29/07/11 09:51, Barry Drake wrote: And Virgin NEVER said 'we don't support Linux' You were lucky then - if I ever make the mistake of mentioning Linux, they tell me to phone back when I've installed windows.  Dianne-- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com

Re: [ubuntu-uk] I'm new

2011-07-29 Thread philip taylor
hi agreed, i have had the same issue with the ISP my dad has chosen, talktalk, they blindly refused to help me, and there reason was this, they couldnt trust the results, hmm. very annoyed bunny. Philip On 29 July 2011 20:21, dianne reuby pramc...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

Re: [ubuntu-uk] I'm new

2011-07-28 Thread Paula Graham
No, sorry, no details - but I'll probably speak to her later so I'll ask her - and let her know that a process has kicked off and that people care :) Thanks, Paula On 27/07/11 12:56, Matthew Daubney wrote: Hi Paula, I don't suppose you know this persons irc nick? We can have a look in the

Re: [ubuntu-uk] I'm new

2011-07-28 Thread alan c
Mat It has been said *clearly* what went wrong! The chap on the [irc] who's responded to my plea for help has just given me technical jargon answers I simply don't understand and he's putting me off Ubuntu. The subject did not 'understand'. You will not see that from logs, but you will get

Re: [ubuntu-uk] I'm new

2011-07-28 Thread Avi Greenbury
alan c wrote: Mat It has been said *clearly* what went wrong! The chap on the [irc] who's responded to my plea for help has just given me technical jargon answers I simply don't understand and he's putting me off Ubuntu. That's not clear at all. All we know is that at some point the

Re: [ubuntu-uk] I'm new

2011-07-27 Thread Paula Graham
On 24/07/11 18:19, Alan Bell wrote: On 24/07/11 10:58, a.hun...@visuality-group.co.uk wrote: Hi! I'm new to all this, but been reading the discussions coming in through the emails. Is it just me, or is there some sort of petty argument going on? Am I reading it wrong? Love to all! Alex.

Re: [ubuntu-uk] I'm new

2011-07-27 Thread Matthew Daubney
Hi Paula, I don't suppose you know this persons irc nick? We can have a look in the logs and see where we went wrong. Thanks, Matt Daubney On Jul 27, 2011 12:41 PM, Paula Graham pmg...@gmx.co.uk wrote: On 24/07/11 18:19, Alan Bell wrote: On 24/07/11 10:58, a.hun...@visuality-group.co.uk

Re: [ubuntu-uk] I'm new

2011-07-27 Thread Alan Bell
Hi Paula, do you know when this happened and what channel, if there is something we can review and learn from that would be great. On 27/07/11 12:40, Paula Graham wrote: Apropos - and sorry, don't want to whinge to people who're freely giving their time - but thought you'd want to know - I

Re: [ubuntu-uk] I'm new

2011-07-25 Thread Bruce Beardall
Hi Alex We're just people and sometimes people get frustrated. For the most part, we play nice, honest. :-) Welcome! Bruce On 24 July 2011 10:58, a.hun...@visuality-group.co.uk wrote: Hi! I'm new to all this, but been reading the discussions coming in through the emails. Is it just me,

[ubuntu-uk] I'm new

2011-07-24 Thread a . hunter
Hi! I'm new to all this, but been reading the discussions coming in through the emails. Is it just me, or is there some sort of petty argument going on? Am I reading it wrong? Love to all! Alex. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk

Re: [ubuntu-uk] I'm new

2011-07-24 Thread Alan Bell
On 24/07/11 10:58, a.hun...@visuality-group.co.uk wrote: Hi! I'm new to all this, but been reading the discussions coming in through the emails. Is it just me, or is there some sort of petty argument going on? Am I reading it wrong? Love to all! Alex. Welcome Alex, there is indeed a long

Re: [ubuntu-uk] I'm new

2011-07-24 Thread alan c
On 24/07/11 10:58, a.hun...@visuality-group.co.uk wrote: Hi! I'm new to all this, but been reading the discussions coming in through the emails. Is it just me, or is there some sort of petty argument going on? Am I reading it wrong? Welcome! Fairly rare for this list, frustration, yes. I