ugnet_: MORE INFO ABOUT PRESIDENT MUGAABE
SABC has conffirmed that Mugabe is in SA.Alert as sick Mugabe flies to South AfricaBy Jane Flanagan in JohannesburgRobert Mugabe was airlifted to South Africa for emergency medical treatmentyesterday after collapsing at his state residence in Harare, a member of hissecurity staff said last night.The 79-year-old dictator was flown by military aircraft to Johannesburgafter a violent vomiting fit. He was accompanied on the flight by his wifeGrace, personal doctors and a string of aides.His collapse followed a similar bout of illness three months ago, for whichhe was also treated in South Africa. Last night, road blocks were set uparound Harare, manned by riot police and soldiers to dispel any massprotests. Reinforcements from police, army and militia outside the capitalwere drafted into Harare to shore up the regime."We were ordered not to give any details of the president's illness in caseit brought people out on to the streets," a senior member of the 'GreenBombers', the notorious youth brigade created by Mr Mugabe, told The SundayTelegraph. Mr Mugabe is understood to have vomited repeatedly during Fridaynight then collapsed as he attempted to get out of bed yesterday.On arrival in Johannesburg, he was driven away in an entourage of carsaccompanied by bodyguards, according to a witness who saw him at theairport. He is understood to have been driven to a clinic for treatment. Hewas previously treated at a private hospital near Pretoria.Mr Mugabe is taken outside Zimbabwe for treatment to reduce the threat ofnews of his illness leaking out and prompting popular unrest. Reports of asimilar collapse late in October, when he was said to have suffereduncontrollable vomiting, prompted uproar.At the time, spokesmen for his regime denied that he was ill or had left thecountry, insisting it was "business as usual". However, television picturespurporting to show the president at an international cultural conference aresaid by broadcasters to have been old footage.A member of staff at Zimbabwe Broadcasting Corporation later revealed thatthey were asked to find recent footage of Mr Mugabe and play it during thenational news bulletin to "calm public opinion".In fact, the pictures used dated from his ruling Zanu-PF's annual partycongress meeting, at Victoria Falls, last August. Supporters of the regimehave sought to play down Mr Mugabe's medical problems, but rumours ofill-health and strokes have dogged him in recent years. Mr Mugabe's latestcollapse and emergency hospitalisation will intensify jockeying withinZanu-PF over his succession.After 23 years in power, the president has appeared increasingly frail inrecent months while at the same time showing remarkable stamina. Last night,a spokesman for the South African government said: "I have no information onwhether President Mugabe is in the country or not." The Mulindwas Communication Group"With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy" Groupe de communication Mulindwas "avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie"
ugnet_: lend us money will never assist Uganda
UPDATES http://www.idr.co.ug/dfwa-u/gallery.htm Review finance policy Central Banks in most countries are responsible for the nation's currency stability. Currency is purchased and sold in the open market. Interest rates are either increased or reduced in the currency market in accordance with economic forces. On the other hand, revenue collection and disbursements in any nation is entrusted to the ministry of finance. And never does a ministry of finance engage in the role of currency management. The above being cardinal principles, the point therefore is, should a central bank arbitrary deduct a portion of commodity sales proceeds, remitted through a central bank before passing funds for the credit of customer's commercial bank account? The present policy of free market economy is responsible for poverty in the villages. The World Bank and IMF should know very well that some industrial products and commodities cannot freely be imported into Europe and America. That being the truth in Europe and America, how will Uganda and other developing countries ever establish sustainable industries to compete with those established decades in developed countries? It is unfair to impose the conditionally of free market economy based on globalization as a requisite for lending development project funds to poor countries to get us out of poverty.. Unless cotton and coffee price assistance funds are re-established, poverty and economic instability in villages shall continue. My appeal to government therefore is: To re-establish the coffee and cotton price assistance funds. Refund Shs 3.4 billion and Pounds Sterling 6 million to BCU Ltd. Review the policy of free market economy, which has hot and will never assist Uganda to effectively establish local industries but only used as dumping around for products from industrially developed countries. The globalization hype will never get infant industries in developing countries to compete favourably with industries established in developed countries. The conditionalities to lend us money will never assist Uganda to take off W.G. Wanendeya, Kampala. __ bwanika url: www.idr.co.ug Logon & Join in ug-academicsdb discussion list http://www.coollist.com/subcribe.html List ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your Email address: ~~ ~~ url: http://uhpl.uganda.co.ug http://pub59.ezboard.com/fugandamanufacturersassociationfrm1
ugnet_: Are Africa Needs Exaggerated?. Food for Thought
Are Africa Needs Exaggerated? The Times of Zambia (NDola) OPINION By KELVIN KACHINGWEJanuary 23, 2004 http://www.times.co.zm/news/viewnews.cgi?category=8id=1074836080 RECENTLY, the British Broadcasting Corporation (BBC) reported that a group of leading charities in the United Kingdom overstated the seriousness of the African food shortages in 2002 and 2003. According to auditors Valid International, some fund-raising campaigns had talked of famine or a crisis of biblical proportions, which was an exaggeration. Apart from using misleading and emotive language, the audit said some charities involved in raising US$29 million did not consult local people enough and did not therefore fully understand their needs. As a case in point, the audit cited one charity that provided an expensive diesel pump to irrigate a small field where a foot pump would have been sufficient. However, a spokesperson for the charities umbrella Disasters Emergency Committee, Richard Miller says they would in future pay more attention to what the people needed exactly. The BBCs Stephanie Irvine says the report does not question the validity of charities running campaigns for disaster prevention, but rather suggests ways in which those campaigns could work more effectively. That said however, the revelation that some charities overstated the grimness of the food crisis in Southern Africa only goes to raise questions about the validity of most information coming from the West about Africa. For a very long time now, Africans have expressed worry at the Western media for sensationalising the negative side of Africa. Most Africans have complained at what is seen to be biased reportage of African issues by the Western media in that most of them only concentrate on the wars and poverty pirating the continent. It is this kind of scenario that has led to some African governments contracting some foreign agencies to help in image building abroad. One David Moyo, a Zimbabwean resident in Lusakas Libala township for instance cites the coverage of the wars in Ivory Coast, Liberia, Democratic Republic of the Congo and Sierra Leone as cases where the Western media has gone to town in their reporting thus creating a picture as though the whole continent is in an armed conflict. He says the Western media will only take an interest in Africa if there is something negative happening. I remember that before Robert Mugabe started his land reform programme, there was very little news about Zimbabwe in the Western media, and probably very few Westerners knew the exact location of Zimbabwe on the world map. But because the land reforms created controversy, the Western media shifted its focus from elsewhere to Zimbabwe and thus contributed to the current impasse between Mugabe and the opposition, for the opposition feel encouraged to be in the international media, and that is what fuels conflicts. Therefore, because the international media, which is mostly Western concentrates on the negative side of Africa, what most Westerners know about Africa is that it is a continent full of wars and poverty and that you cant have peace anywhere, he said. And Humphrey Mulenga also cites the coverage of the DR Congo which pitted Rwanda, Uganda and the rebels on one hand and Zimbabwe, Namibia, Angola and the Congo government on the other as one case in which the Western media overwrought in their reportage. They tried to create an impression as if the whole continent was at war, and yet even within Southern Africa, only three or so countries had sent troops in the DRC to help the government fight the rebels who were being aided by Rwanda and Uganda. Countries like Zambia, Botswana, Malawi and South Africa had all taken a neutral stand. But they were saying in their reports that the conflict is threatening the stability of the whole continent and that more countries are expected to join in the war, Mulenga says. He further says because the West has always exaggerated about African issues, the image that most Westerners have of Africa is a continent deep in abject poverty with almost everyone living with HIV/AIDS. Mulenga could certainly have a point here, for one remembers seasoned politician Vernon Mwaangas account in his autobiography; An Extraordinary life. Mwaanga recounts that on his first visit to the United States of America way back in 1963, part of his itinerary was that he stays for a couple of days with a white family that was involved in some commercial farming. And because this white family did not know what to exactly expect from this African who was visiting them for the first time, they went to extremes such as reading some material on the Masai to have some rough idea of what an African is like. VJ says from the look of things, this white family did not expect him to know any English word let alone to have gone through some formal education. And because of that, they did not utter anything to him
Re: ugnet_: MORE INFO ABOUT PRESIDENT MUGAABE
Mulindwa: It is sad to hear of Mugabe being ill. One thing I don't understand about our African leaders is that they fail to promote quality health services in their own countries, and when they fall ill they fly away to other countries for treatment. This is ridicurously absurd!! When Mu7's time comes (he falls ill), I bet he will be flawn to Germany like his daughter for treatment yet many hospitals in the country under his leadership lack medicine, facilities, andmedical technology. What kind of leaders do we have?? Any leader who is incapable of leading Ugandans towards advancement in Ugandan technology is a wastage of time. Mu7 has vetoed the promotion of local technology (Katwe, etc). One thing for sure is that foreign technology is not cheap and it will cost as trade deficits after the next. What kind of economic sense is that?? Zakoomu R.Mulindwa Edward [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: SABC has conffirmed that Mugabe is in SA.Alert as sick Mugabe flies to South AfricaBy Jane Flanagan in JohannesburgRobert Mugabe was airlifted to South Africa for emergency medical treatmentyesterday after collapsing at his state residence in Harare, a member of hissecurity staff said last night.The 79-year-old dictator was flown by military aircraft to Johannesburgafter a violent vomiting fit. He was accompanied on the flight by his wifeGrace, personal doctors and a string of aides.His collapse followed a similar bout of illness three months ago, for whichhe was also treated in South Africa. Last night, road blocks were set uparound Harare, manned by riot police and soldiers to dispel any massprotests. Reinforcements from police, army and militia outside the capitalwere drafted into Harare to shore up the regime."We were ordered not to give any details of the president's illness in caseit br ought people out on to the streets," a senior member of the 'GreenBombers', the notorious youth brigade created by Mr Mugabe, told The SundayTelegraph. Mr Mugabe is understood to have vomited repeatedly during Fridaynight then collapsed as he attempted to get out of bed yesterday.On arrival in Johannesburg, he was driven away in an entourage of carsaccompanied by bodyguards, according to a witness who saw him at theairport. He is understood to have been driven to a clinic for treatment. Hewas previously treated at a private hospital near Pretoria.Mr Mugabe is taken outside Zimbabwe for treatment to reduce the threat ofnews of his illness leaking out and prompting popular unrest. Reports of asimilar collapse late in October, when he was said to have suffereduncontrollable vomiting, prompted uproar.At the time, spokesmen for his regime denied that he was ill or had left thecountry, insisting it was "business as usual". However, television picturespurporting to show the president at an international cultural conference aresaid by broadcasters to have been old footage.A member of staff at Zimbabwe Broadcasting Corporation later revealed thatthey were asked to find recent footage of Mr Mugabe and play it during thenational news bulletin to "calm public opinion".In fact, the pictures used dated from his ruling Zanu-PF's annual partycongress meeting, at Victoria Falls, last August. Supporters of the regimehave sought to play down Mr Mugabe's medical problems, but rumours ofill-health and strokes have dogged him in recent years. Mr Mugabe's latestcollapse and emergency hospitalisation will intensify jockeying withinZanu-PF over his succession.After 23 years in power, the president has appeared increasingly frail inrecent months while at the same time showing remarkable stamina. Last night,a spokesman for the South African government said : "I have no information onwhether President Mugabe is in the country or not." Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it!
Re: ugnet_: note to Anyomokolo
Jonah writes: But where do you get the idea that I don't like you ? Girl, I don't even know you ! So why should I be disliking you? You read what I write. Don't you? Recently you said thatI wasindeed a freak. You don't even know me. How could you conclude that? Can you repost your nomadic lecture. I read Rehema's nomadism but not yours.Are you the same person? I don't think so!I know how you write when writing to a woman. Anyomokolo [EMAIL PROTECTED] jonah kasangwawo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyomokolo,why are you saying that I disappeared ? Just recently I gave you a lecture about your, er.. 'nomadic' sex life - didn't you see it ?But where do you get the idea that I don't like you ? Girl, I don't even know you ! So why should I be disliking you ?KasangwawoFrom: Anyomokolo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: ugnet_: Kabaka to Meet Sudan Elders Over LRA RebelsDate: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 10:28:53 -0500 (EST)Jonah, I was wondering where you were becuase since I came back you dissappeared as if you don't like me. How are you?Anyomokolojonah kasangwawo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:Mw. Ssemakula,you are spot on ! When the Kabaka keeps quiet, they say he doesn't care.When he says or doe s something, the same people attack him for having doneso.But what is most abominable are the lies they concoct along the way. Themouthpiece of the communications gang is telling us that this is the firsttime the Kabaka has said anything about the war in the north. Now, that isthe mother of all lies.Kasangwawo From: "J Ssemakula" Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ugnet_: Kabaka to Meet Sudan Elders Over LRA Rebels Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 01:23:06 + _It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today!http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger ATTACHMENT part 2 message/rfc822From: "J Ssemakula"To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: ugnet_: Kabaka to Meet Sudan Elders Over LRA RebelsDate: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 01:23:06 +And here I was, thinking that bringing peace to Northern Uganda is more important than "the political status" whoever facilitates the process. I suppose, the end does not justify the means.I wonder, is there another agenda here or is it just the usual plain, garden variety, ntondo?Damned if you do, damned if you don't ...Original Message FollowsFrom: Owor KipenjiReply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: ugnet_: Kabaka to Meet Sudan Elders Over LRA RebelsDate: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 13:16:08 + (GMT)Why ask this question?.Has there even been a time in the Historyof the Kingdom,when the Kabaka was not political?.We really need a reality check here because even if Mu7 tells Ugandansthat the restored Kingdoms are traditional institutions,he should knowthat culture per se can be used as a political tools and hence the rantings that the Kabaka is not political is a contradiction.Most of us may think the Kabaka is not political because he does nothave authorities to levy taxes on his subjects and on those occupyinghis properties but that in itself does not mean he is apolitical becausehe can use his immense influence within the cultural context to causemayhem for the pretenders to the throne like the NRM ideologues!.Remember how the Quebecors in Canada have adroitly used culture tomake big political gains?.So lets' not be lulled into thinking that the Kabaka is not political.He isindeed the epitome of the political aspirations of most of his people sodo not malign him.Thank you.Kipenji.===Mulindwa Edward wrote:Is the Kabaka political now?Em The Mulindwas Communication Group"With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy" Groupe de communication Mulindwas"avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie"- Original Message -From: J SsemakulaTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 8:57 PMSubject: Re: ugnet_: Kabaka to Meet Sudan Elders Over LRA RebelsLikewise, I salute the Kabaka for trying to search for peace to end the misery of our suffering brethren.SsemakulaOriginal Message FollowsFrom: Rehema MukoozaReply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: ugnet_: Kabaka to Meet Sudan Elders O ver LRA RebelsDate: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 09:41:40 -0800 (PST)I am pleased to see our King Ronald Mutebi extending his hand to try with other traditional leaders to get some ways of resolving this issue in the North. The war will not stop itself as the government is wishing for. I believe that all traditional leaders have always wanted to work together towards a stable Uganda but our own gov't is working tirelessly to break this corrabollation and understanding among our traditional leaders. Why? It's the work of evilness our gov't has always as usual worked on.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Kabaka to Meet Sudan Elders Over LRA RebelsNew Vision (Kampala)January 17, 2004Posted to the web January 19, 2004
ugnet_: Assessing the revolution through Nakiryowa, Museveni's cook :- Serves her right?
Assessing the revolution through Nakiryowa, Museveni's cook By David Kibirige Jan 25 - 31, 2004 They fought and conquered. They proudly marched to Kampala. We are talking about the National Resistance Army (NRA) fighters led by President Yoweri Museveni, who captured power in 1986 after a five-year bush war. Among these was a young lady Sergeant, Christine Nakiryowa. At the age of 12, Nakiryowa abandoned studies at Kapeka Primary School in Primary Seven and joined NRA rebels in 1981. Stephen Kashaka, now a Brig, recruited her into the rebel ranks. Her father, Mr Charles Muzanganda encouraged his daughter to join the NRA. UNLA soldiers later killed him. However, Nakiryowa's mother, Ms Edisa Nakazzi still lives in Luwero. Nakiryowa says she was the first woman to join the NRA. Her number is RA 0185. Museveni's is RA 001 while Honorary Brigadier Eriya Kategaya's (former deputy premier) is RA 002. Nakiryowa was in the Mandriana Unit. The unit comprised senior members of the High Command. The original members were Museveni, Kategaya, Jim Katugugu Muhwezi (now a Brig), Sam Katabarwa (RIP), Salim Saleh (Lt. Gen), Elly Tumwine (Lt. Gen) and later Olive Zizinga (Capt), Joe Mirembe and Gertrude Njuba (Capt). Together with Lt. Night Nabunya (RIP), Nakiryowa was in charge of cooking for Museveni. He really loved eating chicken, prepared in a bokisi," (tiny saucepan with a cover) she told Sunday Monitor in a recent interview. "We also cooked for the other members of the High Command. If there was no chicken and we failed to get beef, we would cook whatever was available," "He trusted us. There was no way we could poison him. After cooking, we would give it to a boy called Kambarage who would serve mzee," Nakiryowa proudly reminisces. During the 2001June parliamentary elections, Museveni introduced Nakiryowa to the electorate. "This was our first woman in the bush. She used to cook for me," Museveni said then. She says cooking was not her only job. She also fought to defend captured territory. She however does not want to discuss much of what happened in the bush. Nakiryowa remembers with sadness how UNLA troops drove them out of the fertile areas of Luwero. "We retreated to the semi arid areas in Nsakaziragula and Nakasongola. We used to eat the bark of trees when we failed to get anything to eat. It was here that many of our colleagues died. Not of bullets but of hunger and illness," Nakiryowa says. She remembers that the NRA bush director of finance, (later Col.) Frank Guma (RIP) had lots of money and would buy for them what to eat. "I think he left Obote's army with a lot of money. He helped us a lot," says Nakiryowa. After the capture of Kampala, Nakiryowa got a man and produced children. This was the turning point in her life. "A jealous person said I was over producing children and so my name was mysteriously struck off the army payroll," she says.Today Nakiryowa has ten children and has even changed her name from Christine to Aisha. "I am now a Muslim. I am no llonger a Christian," she says. A letter dated November 5, 2002 by the then UPDF director of records, Col. Mark Kodili to Lt. Gen. Elly Tumwine confirms the mystery about striking Nakiryowa's name off the payroll. She started vending charcoal after her sad exit from the army. However, like the Biblical Job, law enforcement officers impounded her charcoal. She turned to her former comrades for help, but all her attempts hit a dead end. During last year's Tarehe Sita (February 8) celebrations at Bombo Army Headquarters, Nakiryowa masqueraded as a journalist and attended the function. When Museveni saw her in the company of Maj. Gen. Katumba Wamala, Brig. Stephen Kashaka, Lt. Gen. Elly Tumwine and Col. Elly Kayanja, he called her. He asked her what she was doing. "I told him I was unemployed but was still staying at Kawaala. He told Joan Rukalema Magezi, his secretary, to make an appointment for me to meet him. "However, Magezi and Ezra Mwanje kept on tossing me". They asked me to explain what I wanted. Mzee should not tell me to explain why I want to talk to him because I think I know him better than those who now pretend," she says bitterly. She says she keeps on wondering how some people attained high ranks when the original fighters are still sergeants or Captains. "They say I am not educated; that is why I was just a sergeant. But I know some Colonels who are not highly educated," she says. Nakiryowa says she is not a bitter person but her only regret is that she has become a laughing stock. "I am not bitter but at least mzee should meet me, just to say thank you," she says. Too sad! But perhaps Nakiryowa like all revolutionaries might one day realise how revolutions eat up their own. And President Museveni might want to look out for the lay participants in the revolution; cooks, porters and messengers © 2004 The Monitor Publications Gook "You can't separate peace from freedom because no one can be at peace unless he has his freedom."-
ugnet_: The States of Iowa and the Union Agree: Bush Can Be Beaten
The States of Iowa and the Union Agree: Bush Can Be Beaten By Harvey Wasserman The Free Press Thursday 22 January 2004 Is the tide turning? George W. Bush and his puppetmaster Karl Rove tried to upstage the Democrats with a State of the Union Address full of tricks and gimmicks, martian distractions and rattling sabers. It backfired. The stunning results from Iowa far overshadowed Bush's lame, malapropic stump speech. Space travel, gay marriage, steriods in baseball, these are the burning issues for a Republican Party smug enough to be certain they can steal any election. The week's signature GOP moment came from Tom DeLay's Texas, where a woman who sells vibrators was arrested for possessing more than two. In a state that's just been redistricted to prevent any Democrats from going to Congress, we see the GOP as the ultimate Luddites. Are Texas men that insecure? What will they ban next? Massage oil? Come November, we can expect Osama bin Laden to be miraculously found whenever Rove decides the timing is best. A terrorist attack will explode here or there precisely as the Democrats gather steam. Bush may dump Dick Cheney into a cardiac unit to grab headlines and expand his base. Remember, please, that Karl Rove, who runs the Bush apparatus, cut his teeth as a Dirty Trickster for Richard Nixon. Bush's father was elected in 1988 in the infamous Willie Horton campaign, the most racist in modern history. These amoral assassins will fling the lowest available dirt on whoever got in their way, and nobody has mastered the craft better than Rove. With unlimited money to spend, your worst ethical nightmare is their bottom line. But we're seeing a pattern here. Every time Bush jumps in the polls, he slumps back down. From the gigantic rush he got after his trifecta on September 11, the polls fell to where they were before the terrorist attacks. From his Mission Accomplished flashdance on the decks of the Abraham Lincoln, back down he crashed as the bloodshed continued. From the miraculous capture of Saddam Hussein (where is he now?) the polls again plunged as the grassroots Iraqi resistance goes on. From the booming economy we see the Bush bounce going flat as no jobs materialize and deficits soar while the dollar slumps. In short, George W. Bush is still George W. Bush: ruthless, corrupt, untrustworthy, closed-minded, authoritarian, inarticulate, intellectually challenged, programmed, cynical, dishonest, violent, a draft dodger and a religious fanatic who believes he speaks to and for God. Through the Christian Coalition the GOP has a solid activist base of fanatic puritan fundamentalists unparalleled in US history. They have unlimited money. And they have control of the mainstream media, whose endless gush of right-wing bloviaters has just one mantra: Bush will win, Bush will win, Bush will win. But they can be beaten. Here are some of the things that must happen: 1) THE VOTES MUST BE HONESTLY COUNTED: As push comes to shove, there is only one issue in this campaign: will the votes be honestly counted. As Stalin infamously put it: it doesn't matter who casts them, only who counts them. We know that the 2000 election was stolen, and that the GOP would be more than happy to do it again through rigged voting machines without paper trails, the computerized disenfranchisement of convicted felons and other suspected Democrats, and whatever else Rove company can come up with. 2) THE VOTES MUST BE HONESTLY COUNTED: In 2000 Al Gore sat passively and watched as the White House was stolen. This time, all serious candidates must hammer at this issue, over and over. Rep. Rush Holt's bill now in Congress to require a paper trail for computerized voting machines is just a start, but it's a good one. The Democrats must get that passed or let the nation know why it didn't, and what that really means if the GOP claims victory in November. 3) THE VOTES MUST BE HONESTLY COUNTED: But it won't be enough just to raise the issue. In every state there must be campaign committees explicitly charged with fighting pre-election disenfranchisement, as happened in Florida and elsewhere. There must be extensive inspection of all voting machines, ballots and other election procedures. The polls must be monitored. Unless the Democrats take concrete, effective steps to guarantee a fair vote count, there's no reason to bother with this election at all. 4-10) THE VOTES MUST BE HONESTLY COUNTED: It may also not be sufficient for the Democrats alone to do this. Serious petitioning must now be done to the United Nations, the government of Switzerland or whoever else might serve as a honest broker, willing to serve an international watch dog function to help guarantee the coup that began in 2000 is not given four more years to solidify power. 11) THE HOUSE MUST BE RE-REDISTRICTED: Through
ugnet_: Commonwealth a symbol of suffering and humiliation
www.sharenews.com Commonwealth a symbol of suffering and humiliation Dear Editor: I'm writing to thank columnist Peter Madaka for his exhaustive analysis of African events. He has revived my interest in Share; I never miss a copy. Why should Africans be so eager to uphold the symbol of our suffering and humiliation? I remember with tears how in 1971 an elected president of my country (Uganda), Milton Obote, went to Singapore to attend the Commonwealth Heads of States conference where he strongly condemned the British government for arms sales to South Africa and threatened to withdraw Uganda from the Commonwealth. The pivotal role of the Commonwealth as an instrument of imperialism and racism was demonstrated, as Obote never returned to Uganda. He was informed by none other than British Prime Minister Edward Heath that he could go to hell. An illiterate brute, Idi Amin Dada, was imposed on us, and our country has never been the same. When Amin turned around and rejected the British masters, there began a massive stereotype against Blacks as a race. I'm shocked by the ignorance of contemporary African brothers, even those who are supposed to know better. The claim that the Commonwealth played a part in ending apartheid is ridiculous. But, it became certain that apartheid's days were numbered when the Cubans had militarily beaten the South African Defence force. The same ignoramuses claim that the Commonwealth is a society of equals, not American-influenced. They know nothing about the land issue in Zimbabwe. A glaring testimony of British hypocrisy and historical divide-and-rule is that the British are in violation of the Lancaster Agreement that authorizes them to compensate farmers, yet continue to portray President Mugabe as the culprit. On human rights and democracy, Zimbabwe's opposition leader operates freely within the country and carries out subversive activities from within, while in my recolonized country, Uganda, the opposition leader is exiled in South Africa. Stand up, Africans! Let's cast away our infamous role as hewers of wood and drawers of water. Sincerely, Franklin Okot Toronto Mitayo Potosi _ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcommpgmarket=en-caRU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca This service is hosted on the Infocom network http://www.infocom.co.ug
Re: ugnet_: note to Anyomokolo
Anyomokolo, when I said 'freak' I was referring to your attitude as regards to sex. Surely this does not mean that I know you ! By the way, since you seem to have read this comment, then you must have also seen my other comments about your wayward sex life because they were in the same posting. Just forget that I called it 'lecture'. Kasangwawo From: Anyomokolo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ugnet_: note to Anyomokolo Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 14:25:34 -0500 (EST) Jonah writes: But where do you get the idea that I don't like you ? Girl, I don't even know you ! So why should I be disliking you? You read what I write. Don't you? Recently you said that I was indeed a freak. You don't even know me. How could you conclude that? Can you repost your nomadic lecture. I read Rehema's nomadism but not yours. Are you the same person? I don't think so! I know how you write when writing to a woman. Anyomokolo [EMAIL PROTECTED] jonah kasangwawo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyomokolo, why are you saying that I disappeared ? Just recently I gave you a lecture about your, er.. 'nomadic' sex life - didn't you see it ? But where do you get the idea that I don't like you ? Girl, I don't even know you ! So why should I be disliking you ? Kasangwawo From: Anyomokolo Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ugnet_: Kabaka to Meet Sudan Elders Over LRA Rebels Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 10:28:53 -0500 (EST) Jonah, I was wondering where you were becuase since I came back you dissappeared as if you don't like me. How are you? Anyomokolo jonah kasangwawo wrote: Mw. Ssemakula, you are spot on ! When the Kabaka keeps quiet, they say he doesn't care. When he says or does something, the same people attack him for having done so. But what is most abominable are the lies they concoct along the way. The mouthpiece of the communications gang is telling us that this is the first time the Kabaka has said anything about the war in the north. Now, that is the mother of all lies. Kasangwawo From: J Ssemakula Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ugnet_: Kabaka to Meet Sudan Elders Over LRA Rebels Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 01:23:06 + _ It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today! http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger ATTACHMENT part 2 message/rfc822 From: J Ssemakula To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ugnet_: Kabaka to Meet Sudan Elders Over LRA Rebels Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 01:23:06 + And here I was, thinking that bringing peace to Northern Uganda is more important than the political status whoever facilitates the process. I suppose, the end does not justify the means. I wonder, is there another agenda here or is it just the usual plain, garden variety, ntondo? Damned if you do, damned if you don't ... Original Message Follows From: Owor Kipenji Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ugnet_: Kabaka to Meet Sudan Elders Over LRA Rebels Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 13:16:08 + (GMT) Why ask this question?.Has there even been a time in the History of the Kingdom,when the Kabaka was not political?. We really need a reality check here because even if Mu7 tells Ugandans that the restored Kingdoms are traditional institutions,he should know that culture per se can be used as a political tools and hence the rantings that the Kabaka is not political is a contradiction. Most of us may think the Kabaka is not political because he does not have authorities to levy taxes on his subjects and on those occupying his properties but that in itself does not mean he is apolitical because he can use his immense influence within the cultural context to cause mayhem for the pretenders to the throne like the NRM ideologues!. Remember how the Quebecors in Canada have adroitly used culture to make big political gains?. So lets' not be lulled into thinking that the Kabaka is not political.He is indeed the epitome of the political aspirations of most of his people so do not malign him. Thank you. Kipenji. === Mulindwa Edward wrote: Is the Kabaka political now? Em The Mulindwas Communication Group With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy Groupe de communication Mulindwas avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie - Original Message - From: J Ssemakula To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 8:57 PM Subject: Re: ugnet_: Kabaka to Meet Sudan Elders Over LRA Rebels Likewise, I salute the Kabaka for trying to search for peace to end the misery of our suffering brethren. Ssemakula Original Message Follows From: Rehema Mukooza Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ugnet_: Kabaka to Meet Sudan Elders Over LRA Rebels Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 09:41:40 -0800 (PST) I am pleased to see our King Ronald Mutebi
ugnet_: South Africa leading renaissance
www.sharenews.com OPINION South Africa leading renaissance By PETER MADAKA Unemployment, poverty and lack of essential government services have replaced the insecurity and mayhem that until very recently reigned in the Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC). Not that the country itself is poor. According to a U.N. report regarding the conflict in the DRC, the abundance of natural resources has been the curse that has attracted foreign exploiters who in turn have funded the chaos to perpetuate the illegal exploitation of the country's resources. Yet, if all goes according to South African President Thambo Mbeki's plan, the natural resources of the DRC could become its blessing. Mbeki rode into Kinshasa last week leading a powerful delegation of seven Cabinet Ministers and 60 of South Africa's top private sector businesses in an effort to consolidate the South African-sponsored peace deal in the DRC with an infusion of meaningful and long-term economic investments. The visit, which comes on the heels of the African National Congress' launching of its own reelection bid, also carries a message for the rest of Africa that goes beyond the DRC. For President Mbeki-a firm believer in the African renaissance-the DRC could hold the key to Africa's social, economic and political rebirth. Mbeki believes that success in the DRC could be replicated elsewhere in Africa. This is a message he was eager to deliver to Congolese lawmakers last week. Without peace in the DRC we cannot have an African renaissance, Mbeki declared. This message is important, accompanying a heavy purse from the leader of a government that is not only sponsoring the peace but the desire and enough resources to help the Congolese economy turn around. Until recently, numerous invaders crossed the nine borders of the DRC to exploit its resources, most notably from Rwanda, Uganda, Zimbabwe and South Africa. It is therefore welcome news that South Africa is leading a team of legitimate investors to Africa's largest and wealthiest country. While there is no doubt that the much needed South African commitment will bring stability across the continent and spin-offs from these investments could spark positive developments elsewhere on the continent, it may well be naïve to expect South African capital to behave more humanely and more sensitively to Africa's environmental and labour needs than their Western counterparts. Evidently, citizens of the DRC have been here before. They have seen international investors come and go, only to fatten Congo's former President Mobutu's personal holdings at their (the citizens') expense. Can citizens in the DRC expect South African capital to behave any differently? Mbeki's visit could not have come at a better time. Today, one-third of DRC's civil servants are unpaid. Corruption is on the rise and war-weary soldiers are becoming increasingly restive as poverty festers in the countryside. As things are, the Kabila government is too fragmented and shaky to exert respectable authority. A shrunken revenue base that is struggling to support much needed services further exacerbates the situation. But, turning to foreign investment, even if it is South African, has its risks. Just how responsive are South African entrepreneurs likely to be to the needs of the government and war-weary peasants of the DRC? Among the latest South African arrivals in Kinshasa are Mvelephande Holdings and Afrimineral Holdings which have already signed a memorandum of understanding with the DRC for investments worth an estimated R60 billion or the equivalent of US$8 billion over the next decade. Siemens South Africa has already signed a $50-million contract with the national electricity board of the DRC to install 35,000 electricity connections in the country. Siemens, with several partners, including Eskom, is also involved in the rehabilitation of Inga One and Two electricity projects. The two plants supply energy to Kinshasa, Congo-Brazzaville and Zambia. The expanded Inga project is to supply electricity to the rest of the Congo Angola, and Namibia. It is envisaged that the plant will eventually be able to supply electricity to the entire continent of Africa. Until the Mbeki visit last week, Vodacom led foreign investment in the DRC with $157-million, with plans to push that initial investment to $500-million. But, the market dominance of Vodacom, which now controls 44 per cent of the cell-phone market in the DRC, may not last long. Furthermore, a group of South African business people led by Peter Vundla was in the DRC last year to look at investment opportunities. Vundla's New Seasons Investment Group, along with another South African company, are bidding for the rehabilitation of Kinshasa International Airport to the tune of $250 million. The Paris Club, a group of donor countries which has run the continent of Africa as a fiefdom for decades has, for the first time, been
ugnet_: Fifth Columnist Their false witness to Freemasons
Comment ; sundaynation kenya Sunday, January 25, 2004 PHILIP OCHIENG / Fifth Columnist Their false witness to Freemasons As Chronicles would say, Mzee Kimani Maruge will soon lie with his fathers. But he is completely illiterate and cannot read Chronicles. So, at 84, he has decided to learn the Three Rs. I cannot sneer at that motivation. I know, from my own reading, that the pursuit after god can be a major spur to worldly knowledge. You wouldn't know it from the bloodthirst with which the Vatican has pursued scientists. But even Christianity began as a knowledge cult. Techno-scientific knowledge though steeped in magico-sexual ritual and abracadabra was the only path to god. Thus the original Christians are called Gnostics (from gnosis, Greek for knowledge). We see it in Carl Sagan's remark in the introduction to A Brief History of Time that, by subjecting the physical universe to minute inspection, Stephen Hawking is eavesdropping on god's mind. In the days of Giordano Bruno, Hawking would have roasted at the stake. Today even John Paul II apologises for what the Holy Office did to Galileo Galilei. The Pope asserts that the Big Bang of quantum mechanics was the same event that Genesis calls the beginning. Many powerful Jewish minds Spinoza, Freud, Marx, Trotsky, Einstein would have no quarrel with that. When they call themselves atheists, what they are rejecting is only the god of Deuteronomy. Einstein once told some rabbinical opponents of his General Relativity that what he objected to was only the whimsical, stormy and salacious god of Joshua, with a people chosen by a moral criterion which is most impugnable. In its search for a Grand Unified Theory a single formula to explain everything in the universe what modern physics is seeking is a divinity who manifests herself through the governability of her creation. Before the rise of the rigidly androcentric monotheon, this was the case throughout the world. Self-created and then fertilised by the Serpent her own begotten son-husband Mother Earth was the only Creator that humanity knew. It was only in the second millennium BC, when Semito-Aryan patriarchy invaded Hamitic motherland, that she (as Tiamat) fell to Marduk, as Hera to Zeus, as Minerva to Jupiter, as Isis to Osiris, as Rahab (or Tehom or Leviathan) to Yahweh. Elsewhere she was known as Athene, Cybele, Diana, Oestre, Anath, Hawwa, Eve, Hebe, Kali, Ngame. But, along the Nile, she was focused on Maat, the Goddess who personified cosmic and social order, symmetry, harmony, unity, justice, beauty, love and peace. Even after the Nile itself had been patronised, pursuit of knowledge remained its idea of worship. It was Thoth, Cush's god of science and magic adopted by Greece as Hermes and by Rome as Mercury who introduced Hermeticism in Europe, whose preoccupation with astrology, alchemy and the elixir that so appalled the Vatican. Yet, in the hands of the Knights-Templar, the Priory of Zion, the Rosicrucians, the Freemasons and other anti-Church movements, this black magic was what created the modern West. They went underground first because they were part of the ancient Egyptian tradition in which knowledge was always arcane and could be accessed only by the initiated and, secondly, to escape the murderous hands of the Inquisitors. But, despite the persecution, it was they who created the modern university, the Gothic cathedrals, the Renaissance, the voyages of discovery, the Enlightenment, the American War of Independence, the Industrial Revolution, the Information Age. Both the Anglican Church and the Church of Scotland are vitally linked to Freemasonry. The royal families have always been Freemasons and yet the monarch has always been the head of the national church. That was why I was surprised when a newspaper reported that Kenya's chapter of the Anglican Church would not help plant my high school class-mate Joab Omino because he was a Freemason. The Church has done well to deny it. For, though I myself am not a Freemason, I know that it is a knowledge movement dedicated to an African goddess of justice and order and that this is why the Vatican continues to bear false witness to it. E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mitayo Potosi _ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/viruspgmarket=en-caRU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca This service is hosted on the Infocom network http://www.infocom.co.ug
ugnet_: 18 years of NRM
18 years of NRM By Raymond Otika Jan 26, 2004 There is only one way to make rat traps work, put more than one bait: a few small ones for encouragement and the other for the kill. This is exactly what the Movement government has used all along to kill democracy. Unfortunately many Ugandans, especially the opposition has fallen victim to this trick since 1986. In other words, because we have been politically (democracy) starved, Ugandans in the last 17 years have behaved like Ivan Petrovic Pavlov's dogs. President Museveni Our minds have been conditioned by our past political experiences so that we have ceased to respond to new developments, but react instead only to our past. No wonder President Museveni rightfully noted that between peasants and professors in his government and the opposition politicians, none has a vision for this country. He sees inappropriate and obsequious behaviour each time he dangles the idea of opening up for party politics. Many are now excited about the dialogue being fronted by some Cabinet members without seriously asking why now and not 15 years ago. The record shows that there has been no honesty as far as the democratisation process in Uganda is concerned. Going to the bush in 1981 was a fraud; the extension of NRA/NRM from 1989 was a fraud. Some compositions of the 1995 Constitution are fraudulent. The 1996 presidential election was a fraud and the 2000 referendum on political system was a fraud. The 2001 presidential election was a fraud (court rullings) What is the major difference between a system and organisation? Evoking Article 255 of the constitution on referenda for purposes of manipulating ill-informed village folk, is extreme-rightwing populist and plebiscite instrumentalism. Constant reference to the people, uninformed as they are, for selfish ends is manipulative, sinful and politically immoral, Napoleon Bonaparte and Adolf Hitler used it to the detriment of their countries. The 2002 Political Parties and Organisations Bill (POB) was a fraud, and finally the bid to amend Article 105 (2) of the constitution to allow unlimited presidential term is the mother of all frauds. After all is said and done, there is a dark secret in the Museveni camp. So far all the political and economic programmes offered by the NRM leadership are all designed to avoid reaching any solutions for this country except to satisfy the avarice of few top dogs. The government, through its agencies like the Cabinet, Movement Secretariat carefully select its representatives to form committees or commissions that would have a hard time agreeing on anything with the opposition side. So far all the Committees and Commissions including the Constitutional Review Commission (CRC) and all the Commissions of Inquiries are merely for appearance's sake, a public relations scam to get valuable public and international credit. The honest and unsuspecting members of such committees bust their behinds to make serious recommendations and write documents, which unfortunately are ignored. Games should be left for children but not politics that affect the lives of millions of people. Museveni's appointment of that 25-member committee made up of people who are consummate NRM hard-liners to talk to the opposition is the kind of game we are talking about. Why 25 and not five or ten members? Like before, the opposition will lose their shirts when it comes to voting on any issue. As far as the constitution is concerned, why fix what is not broken? The best way forward to deal with a fraudulent government is non-cooperation. Do not debate the third or 'sad term' or amend the constitution, leave the whole thing to natural process, come 2006, Museveni will go home. Tampering with the presidential term limits is like tampering with a car travelling at 80 km/hr on a poor road; people will get killed. The opposition should only deal with the POB in order to gain their political legitimacy. It will be foolhardy to enter into dialogue with this government because it is a government of greed, violence and non-cooperation. There is no more good reason for any sensible Ugandan to trust this government and its policies. It demonised political parties for the last 17 years, but was the first to register its NRM-O, what a vindictive hypocrisy. Look at the situation in northern and northeastern Uganda; they are NGO countries not part of Uganda. Uganda stops at Karuma Bridge. For the last 17 years the people there, are literally being dehumanised. They are being cannibalised, and not only by the rebels, but also the grain dealers through the World Food Programme (WFP), who supply just enough to keep the victims alive to guarantee the next supply. The untouchable Ministry of Defence that maximizes its budget at whim and classifies it is part of the cannibalism. How? Some briefcase NGO schemers with their four wheel-drive cross-country vehicles and cameras, ever
Re: ugnet_: Kabaka to Meet Sudan Elders Over LRA Rebels - Vukoni
Lupa-Lasaga: Okay, if the Kabaka traveled to W.Nile twice in the mid 90's to help draw attention to the plight of Sudanese refugees that was seriously good. The issue of the Sudanese refugees in W.Nile is different from the situation in the "internally displaced people'srefugee camps" of Ugandans in Uganda being looted and killed by armed gangs while the UPDF is looking the other way. 1st. the Sudanese left their country because of the southern Sudan war and came to Uganda for safety. 2nd. West Nile is not as aviolent placeas compared toAcholi, Lango, Itesointerms of LRA activities. Go figure that out yourself. 3rd. People in Acholi and Lango are being attacked from within Uganda in camps which they are said to be 'protected' by the UPDF. 4th. Weigh the situation of Sudanese refugees in Ugandaand that of Ugandans in the North Eastern. If West Nile is more of a safe place to visit than let's say Acholi, Lango, I would advise the King for security matters not to dare step his feet in Acholi or Lango and yet I'd advise him to visit a more safer West Nile. Security matters in these things. I know our King is smart, he can see through all these things and decide on what steps to take. I salute the KING for talking P-E-A-CE. Do you have anymore empty criticism?? Zakoomu R. Vukoni Lupa-Lasaga [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Zakoomu,What do I gain from making this up? Ask those who know and they will tell you (e.g. the Kabaka's press secretary). The Kabaka traveled to West Nile twice (if my memory serves me right) in the mid-90's to help draw attention to the plight of Sudanese refugees. Newspaper or TV accounts must still exist.vukonips. Please try to at least spell my name correctly. It doesn't reflect very well on your grasp of facts or courtesy.At 07:54 PM 1/24/2004 -0800, you wrote:Lasanga:The King has not (to my knowledge) traveled to the refugee camps in northern Uganda to show solidarity with the residents who were and are being looted and killed by armed groups as our own UPDF looked the other way.My question to you is: If the residents in refugee camps are not safe with the UPDF looking the other way when armed groups loot and killed them, what makes you sure our King will not be looted and killed as our UPDF is looking the other way??Due to security reasons, I don't think the King will travel to the refugee camps! It's sad but true. The King has no Kabakaship Guard Brigade (like Mu7) to beep up security on his visits to the refugee. If you have been following the events, you would have found out by now that the King is given limited security by the UPDF.If it is the same UPDF that is looking the other way when civilians are attacked by armed groups, and it is the same arm 'guarding' the King, I suppose that same UPDF will look the other way as the King will be attacked by armed groups.I personally would advise the King not to dare go to the refugee camps with this same UPDF as his security guards if he wants his life. The King is not a fool, he can see through all this UPDF mess! The King should communicate with civilians in refugee camps and help with deplomatic peace talks to end the war, as He (King) is doing now. I salute him for his goodwill to all Ugandans.There is alot the King can contribute to help end the war and this suffering without physically visiting the unprotected refugee camps in the north. What do you think?? Do you think everything has to be physical in order to make an impact?? Wake up to reality.Zakoomu R. Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it!
ugnet_: German leader sets good example with Africa trip
Comment Monday, January 26, 2004 CHEGE MBITIRU / There and About German leader sets good example with Africa tripIts refreshing when a leader of means like German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder whirls in Africa without flaunting might and only putting modest sums where his mouth is. Visits to African nations by big wigs like US Secretary of State Collin Powel, to say nothing of his boss, cause real havoc. The gains, if any, remain nebulous. Mr Schroeders "no-big-deal" like demeanour, proves Nigerian author Wole Soyinka right: A tiger doesnt have to proclaim its tigritude. Germany is a nation of means. Its the worlds third largest economy after the United States and Japan. Unfortunately, the country was a victim of sighted and power hungry worst of Prussianism in Kaiser Wilhelm II and mediocre artist Adolph Hitler. They invited all and sundry to reduce their country to rubble twice in less than a half a century. For years after, it was difficult to tell which Germany was the real Germany. Its anybodys guess what Germany would be today had all this not happened. Certainly it wouldnt be a middle-level European power. But thats in the past and Mr Schroeder is a "now and the future" man. Presumably thats why he chickened and skipped Namibia. Like in Israel, where Nazi sins are all but enshrined in the Tabernacle, there is a tick in Namibia that refuses to get off Germanys skin: the Herero issue. Its 100 years old. In keeping with now and the future rhythm, Mr Schroeder first stopped in Addis Ababa. He had business with Prime Minister Meles Zenawi. It included the usual suspects: development aid, clean water and sewage, HIV/Aids, and liberalisation of the economy. Germany is a good trader. Now, visitors of consequence to Ethiopia inevitably talk about its border dispute with Eritrea. To Germany, Mr Schroeder said, the issue is legally settled. Diplomatic niceties forbid him from saying Germany was bombed flat twice because leaders broke agreements. Appropriately, Mr Schroeder stopped at the headquarters of the African Union. An offshoot of Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafis diplomatic re-tooling, the 53-member AU only has a future. Mr Schroeder noted continental woes the AU faces and dropped in 825,200 dollars to help it on the way. In Kenya, it was niceties. They included praises of the smooth transfer of political power, war against corruption and efforts to re-invent good governance. He chipped in Sh4.5 billion ($62.74 million) toward President Mwai Kibakis grand march to prosperity, diplomatically told Kenyans their coffee is lousy and had a shot at beauty products salesmanship. Mr Schroeder then flew to South Africa where he had a mighty ball. South Africa is Germanys leading trading partner in Sub-Sahara Africa. Politicians understand money language very well. Ghana was Mr Schroeders moment of glory. He stood tall at the opening of Kofi Annan International Peacekeeping Training Centre. Germany is providing money and technical support. In Addis Ababa, Mr Schroeder had urged efforts to rid the continent of wars and crises to foster development. Thats why he had euros for the centre. He flew home on Saturday and left a subtle message in a continent Germany was chased from by fellow Europeans nearly a century ago: Therell be no babysitting. If you govern well and your folks work hard, well help. That probably means additions to the 20 per cent of Berlins development aid now doled to Sub-Sahara Africa. By design, Mr Schroeder avoided the tick in Namibia. Its unfortunate. He should have stopped at Okahandja. The Hereros, about 200,000, consider it their capital. It was when they decided German settlers considered Herero land a Berlin suburb and slaughtered a few. Powers-that-be in Berlin werent amused. They sent General Lothar von Trotha to give "savages'' lessons on German civilisation. The general bubbled with obscene modesty like "I, the great general of the German soldiers." The now infamous general decreed every Herero found in German territory shot. They were. By the time survivors, without a single of their loved cattle, reached what is now Botswana, 35,000 to 105,000 were dead. Anyway, figures dont matter. Germans fought a colonial extermination war in Africa at the time. By sheer will to survive, Hereros exist. The descendants of the victims are crying genocide. They want four billion dollars from two German companies and the government in reparation. As precedents, they cite reparations for Holocaust and Japanese Americans and Canadians who lost lives and property during World War II. Germany says nothing doing. In any case, Berlin is pretty generous to Namibia. President Sam Nujoma agrees. At Okahandja, Mr Schroeder would have met Paramount Chief Kuaima Riruako. He would have reminded him that all the reparations hes ululating about were settled politically, not legally. There would have been a rider: Talk to your people and Ill talk to mine. There is no point in
Re: ugnet_: Kabaka to Meet Sudan Elders Over LRA Rebels
Lupa-Lasaga: You've got a nice point here with your question: What is the best strategy for bringing about federalism in Uganda? Below are my contributions towards an answer. 1st. getting all districts under "regions" together at the round table and discuss their union and how they are going to make things work in their union. 2nd. getting regions (Busoga, Bunyoro, Acholi, Lango, W.Nile, Ankole, Tooro, Kigezi, etc)to form workable settings of their governing administrations (democratic cultural) within and around. 3rd.getting all regions together on the national table to discuss key issues of the federation. I refer you to the www.federo.com website for farther information. 4th. Democratic mult-partism in all regional states should be formed. Political parties should form branches in every region they want political participation in. Thus, DP-Bunyoro branches, CP-Acholi branches, NRM-O Busoga branches, etc... 5th. Political parties should contest in regional politics (democratic) and traditional / cultural posts shouldbe left to be set through traditional customs and norms. The separation of democratic politics fromcultural politics should emphasized even if both kinds of politics will at one point or the other getintertwined, They'll have to be separated, written in the law of the land. 6th. Regional politics should be separated from National politics by the law of the land, even if at one point or the other they'll get intertwined, we'll have to separate them. This is the avoid what some people called Buganda politics affecting National politics. This time around things have to be separated by the law. Continues next time I'm waiting for your contributions. Zakoomu R. Vukoni Lupa-Lasaga [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Zakoomu,Now, I do happen to have expressed in various fora the view that I see a lot of merit in federalism. So, really, you're not telling me anything new.The crucial question is, what is the best strategy for bringing about federalism in Uganda?vukoniBTW, the bad news for those who are so obsessed with limiting Buganda's role in Ugandan politics, federalism may not be the magic wand they seek. In any case, I don't see how Buganda's demographic and geographic preponderance in national politics will go away under federalism. For the foreseeable future, (whether under a federal or unitary government) the Baganda will remain the single most populous nationality in Uganda. That reality will continue to be reflected in Uganda's political and cultural life.And I'd really really appreciate it if you took the tim e to spell my name correctly.At 07:34 PM 1/24/2004 -0800, you wrote:Lasanga: You wrote below,"It's just that demographically and geographically Buganda looms large in our politics."Have you ever thought of how to put a balance to the demographic dominance of Buganda in Uganda politics?? My resolution to this demographic dominance is FEDERALISM to all regions of Uganda. What do you think, Lasanga??Have you ever thought of how to put a balance to the geographic dominance of Buganda in Ugandan politics?? FEDERALISM is the solution. With each region holding power to decide its future, geographic dominance's impact will be reduced. Equal federal representation on the talking table will over look geographic dominance.What has caused this demographic and geographic dominance of Buganda in our politics?? Unitarism is the driving force behind this unfairness. Unitarism centralizes most of gov't resources towards its center (Buganda). We should not blame Buganda for Uganda's bloody past, we should put the blame on our gov'ts that have over and over again refused a federal arrangement for Uganda. Federalism will make sure that even if one region (Buganda) is wooed by false leaders like Obote and Museveni, the rest of the federation (Acholi, Lango, Bunyoro, Tooro, Ankole, Busoga, Kigezi, etc...) are not affected to the maximum they were when these false leaders make/made their woo-wooings.Zakoomu R. Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it!
Re: ugnet_: Kabaka to Meet Sudan Elders Over LRA Rebels - Vukoni
Dear sister Zakoomu, Far from criticizing the Kabaka's action regarding the plight of those in the displaced people's camp in the north, I actually applauded it. But I do understand. You're in attack mode, and regardless of what I say, I'm damned. Fortunately, I'm wearing body armor, so I only feel a little pain where the bullet you fired struck!!! .-) vukoni At 03:39 PM 1/25/2004 -0800, you wrote: Lupa-Lasaga: Okay, if the Kabaka traveled to W.Nile twice in the mid 90's to help draw attention to the plight of Sudanese refugees that was seriously good. The issue of the Sudanese refugees in W.Nile is different from the situation in the internally displaced people's refugee camps of Ugandans in Uganda being looted and killed by armed gangs while the UPDF is looking the other way. 1st. the Sudanese left their country because of the southern Sudan war and came to Uganda for safety. 2nd. West Nile is not as a violent place as compared to Acholi, Lango, Iteso interms of LRA activities. Go figure that out yourself. 3rd. People in Acholi and Lango are being attacked from within Uganda in camps which they are said to be 'protected' by the UPDF. 4th. Weigh the situation of Sudanese refugees in Uganda and that of Ugandans in the North Eastern. If West Nile is more of a safe place to visit than let's say Acholi, Lango, I would advise the King for security matters not to dare step his feet in Acholi or Lango and yet I'd advise him to visit a more safer West Nile. Security matters in these things. I know our King is smart, he can see through all these things and decide on what steps to take. I salute the KING for talking P-E-A-CE. Do you have anymore empty criticism?? Zakoomu R. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.563 / Virus Database: 355 - Release Date: 1/17/2004
RE: ugnet_: PRESIDENT MUGAABE NOT WELL
Em, I wish Comrade Mugabe well. I liked what he did in DRC intervention. But I dslike what heand his hangers-on have put the Zimbabwean populace under economic and political duress. Why: he cannot even trust to gettreatment in his own country! African dictators like Mugabe and Museveni deserve no sympathy. yFrom: "Mulindwa Edward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> CC: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,"Rwanda" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: ugnet_: PRESIDENT MUGAABE NOT WELL Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 01:21:46 -0500 President Mugabe collapsed at his house and air lifted to South African hospital Em The Mulindwas Communication Group "With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy" Groupe de communication Mulindwas "avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie" Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. This service is hosted on the Infocom network http://www.infocom.co.ug
ugnet_: Kabaka to Meet Sudan Elders Over LRA Rebels
You know a good bunch of postings in this forum are not worth the time to respond, but this one surely deserves a second. You see it is such uncritical thinking and reasoning that Museveni feeds on. For example what makes one think that Uganda Districts are at war between each other? is Bunyoro's problem today Busoga? Is West Nile in confrontation with Lango? You can not put districts on a round table unless they are at log-heads. And Uganda districts are not. (Democratic and Cultural) What does that exactly mean? Is Buganda at war with West Nile for West Nile girls do not kneel down when they are greeting people yet Baganda girls do? So you want to put these two districts at a round table to discuss their differences? Red this one " Political parties should contest in regional politics (democratic) and traditional / cultural posts shouldbe left to be set through traditional customs and norms. The separation of democratic politics fromcultural politics should emphasized even if both kinds of politics will at one point or the other getintertwined, They'll have to be separated, written in the law of the land." What exactly does that sentence mean? sounds like "We have allot of unknowns that we know we do not know whether we know them, but when we know what we do not know we will tell you when we know what we do not know" Huh? How can you get an entity in Uganda which runs the political arena and the cultural arena at the same time? Look "Separation of democratic politics from cultural politics should be emphasized even if both kinds of politics will at one point or the other get intertwined" So am I to understand that the intertwining of Buganda cultural and political matters have tought us nothing so far, or it is me on dope? And how do you separate regional and national politics by law, "By law" yet at times it will be intertwined? Are we talking about federalism here or feudalism? It is such nonsense that has become Museveni's daily food bank, for on such suggestions he plans a round table to make Districts make a workable setting. It is these same brains that are today jumping with hoofs for Museveni wants to discuss the opening up of party politics. When will you ever learn Ugandans? For the record districts sit on a table to discuss how to use their resources if Federalism is introduced. Uganda's districts have no resources what so ever, everything has been grandly looted to the extent that even Kilembe mines has been closed. The entire north has been shut down for ages. More than half of Buganda's land has been sold to the Boers. What is it that is going to be put on the table to negotiate with? What we need in uganda is leadership, we need a government, we need to start, we need to put our peopleback in homes. And Zakoomu is a classic example of how muchFederalists hate Northern Uganda and Northerners, for there is no way any body with a brain of a pea size, can decide to make Northern Uganda a federal State today. These are people who have been destroyed by their government, it has been a government policy to destroy the North, these people have not slept in homes for 20 years, and the only way North can get on their feet both financially and psychologically is by being up lifted by the rest of the entire nation. it is sad that the federalists want to abandon Northern Uganda to its own. But hey what do you expect from a bunch of people who have a philosophy based on miss information and disinformation, being fade on a society of the Zakoomu's who are un critical thinkers? It sucks trust me. And we might be quite but we are watching, be ware. Em The Mulindwas Communication Group"With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy" Groupe de communication Mulindwas "avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie" - Original Message - From: Rehema Mukooza To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2004 7:07 PM Subject: Re: ugnet_: Kabaka to Meet Sudan Elders Over LRA Rebels Lupa-Lasaga: You've got a nice point here with your question: What is the best strategy for bringing about federalism in Uganda? Below are my contributions towards an answer. 1st. getting all districts under "regions" together at the round table and discuss their union and how they are going to make things work in their union. 2nd. getting regions (Busoga, Bunyoro, Acholi, Lango, W.Nile, Ankole, Tooro, Kigezi, etc)to form workable settings of their governing administrations (democratic cultural) within and around. 3rd.getting all regions together on the national table to discuss key issues of the federation. I refer you to the www.federo.com website for farther information. 4th. Democratic mult-partism in all regional states should be formed. Political parties should form branches in every region they want political participation in. Thus, DP-Bunyoro branches, CP-Acholi
Re: ugnet_: Kabaka to Meet Sudan Elders Over LRA Rebels
Zakoomu R., I like a federal Ugandan state, but please do not bore us with what we already know.Your Items 1 to 4 (below) used to exist and were practiced until mad man Lt. Gen, Museveni came to power with his "Fundamental change" bull shit. Your 5th and 6th points are interesting, but again those are details to be ironed out in a fedral arrangement. First, change the constitution back to what it was in the the 1960's when, yes, Uganda was a federal state! yFrom: Rehema Mukooza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ugnet_: Kabaka to Meet Sudan Elders Over LRA Rebels Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 16:07:37 -0800 (PST) Lupa-Lasaga: You've got a nice point here with your question:What is the best strategy for bringing about federalism in Uganda?Below are my contributions towards an answer. 1st. getting all districts under "regions" together at the round table and discuss their union and how they are going to make things work in their union. 2nd. getting regions (Busoga, Bunyoro, Acholi, Lango, W.Nile, Ankole, Tooro, Kigezi, etc) to form workable settings of their governing administrations (democratic cultural) within and around. 3rd. getting all regions together on the national table to discuss key issues of the federation.I refer you to the www.federo.com website for farther information. 4th. Democratic mult-partism in all regional states should be formed.Political parties should form branches in every region they want political participation in.Thus, DP-Bunyoro branches, CP-Acholi branches, NRM-O Busoga branches, etc... 5th.Political parties should contest in regional politics (democratic) and traditional / cultural posts should be left to be set through traditional customs and norms. The separation of democratic politics from cultural politics should emphasized even if both kinds of politics will at one point or the other get intertwined, They'll have to be separated, written in the law of the land. 6th.Regional politics should be separated from National politics by the law of the land, even if at one point or the other they'll get intertwined, we'll have to separate them.This is the avoid what some people called Buganda politics affecting National politics.This time around things have to be separated by the law. Continues next timeI'm waiting for your contributions. Zakoomu R. Vukoni Lupa-Lasaga <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: Zakoomu, Now, I do happen to have expressed in various fora the view that I see a lot of merit in federalism. So, really, you're not telling me anything new. The crucial question is, what is the best strategy for bringing about federalism in Uganda? vukoni BTW, the bad news for those who are so obsessed with limiting Buganda's role in Ugandan politics, federalism may not be the magic wand they seek. In any case, I don't see how Buganda's demographic and geographic preponderance in national politics will go away under federalism. For the foreseeable future, (whether under a federal or unitary government) the Baganda will remain the single most populous nationality in Uganda. That reality will continue to be reflected in Uganda's political and cultural life. And I'd really really appreciate it if you took the time to spell my name correctly. At 07:34 PM 1/24/2004 -0800, you wrote: Lasanga: You wrote below, "It's just that demographically and geographically Buganda looms large in our politics." Have you ever thought of how to put a balance to the demographic dominance of Buganda in Uganda politics?? My resolution to this demographic dominance is FEDERALISM to all regions of Uganda. What do you think, Lasanga?? Have you ever thought of how to put a balance to the geographic dominance of Buganda in Ugandan politics?? FEDERALISM is the solution. With each region holding power to decide its future, geographic dominance's impact will be reduced. Equal federal representation on the talking table will over look geographic dominance. What has caused this demographic and geographic dominance of Buganda in our politics?? Unitarism is the driving force behind this unfairness. Unitarism centralizes most of gov't resources towards its center (Buganda). We should not blame Buganda for Uganda's bloody past, we should put the blame on our gov'ts that have over and over again refused a federal arrangement for Uganda. Federalism will make sure that even if one region (Buganda) is wooed by false leaders like Obote and Museveni, the rest of the federation (Acholi, Lango, Bunyoro, Tooro, Ankole, Busoga, Kigezi, etc...) are not affected to the maximum they were when these false leaders make/made their woo-wooings. Zakoomu R. - Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! Protect your PC - Click here for McAfee.com VirusScan Online
RE: ugnet_: South Africa leading renaissance
Mitayo Potosi, Mbeki's so called "African renaissance" remains to be seen. It has been almost 4 years ago since he mouthed out the concept. Is Africa any better now? South Africa was supposed to lead the rest of sub-Saharan Africa to salvation. But underpresident Mbeki, there has been nothing but hell. In his own country, he let AIDS/HIV ravage the population, saying he neded proof about HIV causing AIDS oba something like that. What a son-of-a-bitch! In southern Africa he continues to baffle us with the Zimbabwe question: why support an almost senile dictator making his people suffer? In the rest of Africa, he does not say anything about the lack of democracy in states like Uganda, where dictator Museveni contunies to reign like Hitler. Mbeki, like his renaissance idea, is a failure to Africa! y From: "Mitayo Potosi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: ugnet_: South Africa leading renaissance Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 22:06:58 + www.sharenews.com OPINION South Africa leading renaissance By PETER MADAKA Unemployment, poverty and lack of essential government services have replaced the insecurity and mayhem that until very recently reigned in the Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC). Not that the country itself is poor. According to a U.N. report regarding the conflict in the DRC, the abundance of natural resources has been the curse that has attracted foreign exploiters who in turn have funded the chaos to perpetuate the illegal exploitation of the country's resources. Yet, if all goes according to South African President Thambo Mbeki's plan, the natural resources of the DRC could become its blessing. Mbeki rode into Kinshasa last week leading a powerful delegation of seven Cabinet Ministers and 60 of South Africa's top private sector businesses in an effort to consolidate the South African-sponsored peace deal in the DRC with an infusion of meaningful and long-term economic investments. The visit, which comes on the heels of the African National Congress' launching of its own reelection bid, also carries a message for the rest of Africa that goes beyond the DRC. For President Mbeki-a firm believer in the African renaissance-the DRC could hold the key to Africa's social, economic and political rebirth. Mbeki believes that success in the DRC could be replicated elsewhere in Africa. This is a message he was eager to deliver to Congolese lawmakers last week. "Without peace in the DRC we cannot have an African renaissance," Mbeki declared. This message is important, accompanying a heavy purse from the leader of a government that is not only sponsoring the peace but the desire and enough resources to help the Congolese economy turn around. Until recently, numerous invaders crossed the nine borders of the DRC to exploit its resources, most notably from Rwanda, Uganda, Zimbabwe and South Africa. It is therefore welcome news that South Africa is leading a team of legitimate investors to Africa's largest and wealthiest country. While there is no doubt that the much needed South African commitment will bring stability across the continent and spin-offs from these investments could spark positive developments elsewhere on the continent, it may well be naïve to expect South African capital to behave more humanely and more sensitively to Africa's environmental and labour needs than their Western counterparts. Evidently, citizens of the DRC have been here before. They have seen international investors come and go, only to fatten Congo's former President Mobutu's personal holdings at their (the citizens') expense. Can citizens in the DRC expect South African capital to behave any differently? Mbeki's visit could not have come at a better time. Today, one-third of DRC's civil servants are unpaid. Corruption is on the rise and war-weary soldiers are becoming increasingly restive as poverty festers in the countryside. As things are, the Kabila government is too fragmented and shaky to exert respectable authority. A shrunken revenue base that is struggling to support much needed services further exacerbates the situation. But, turning to foreign investment, even if it is South African, has its risks. Just how responsive are South African entrepreneurs likely to be to the needs of the government and war-weary peasants of the DRC? Among the latest South African arrivals in Kinshasa are Mvelephande Holdings and Afrimineral Holdings which have already signed a memorandum of understanding with the DRC for investments worth an estimated R60 billion or the equivalent of US$8 billion over the next decade. Siemens South Africa has already signed a $50-million contract with the national electricity board of the DRC to install 35,000 electricity connections in the country. Siemens, with several partners, including Eskom, is also involved in the rehabilitation of Inga One and Two electricity
ugnet_: Fwd: Arundati Roy's Take on The New American Century
The New American Century By Arundhati Roy, http://www.thenation.comThe Nation January 22, 2004 Editor's Note: This article was adapted from Arundhati Roy's January 16 speech to the opening plenary of the World Social Forum in Mumbai. In January 2003 thousands of us from across the world gathered in Porto Alegre in Brazil and declared reiterated that Another World Is Possible. A few thousand miles north, in Washington, George W. Bush and his aides were thinking the same thing. Our project was the World Social Forum; theirs, to further what many call the Project for the New American Century. In the great cities of Europe and America, where a few years ago these things would only have been whispered, now people are openly talking about the good side of imperialism and the need for a strong empire to police an unruly world. The new missionaries want order at the cost of justice. Discipline at the cost of dignity. And ascendancy at any price. Occasionally some of us are invited to debate the issue on neutral platforms provided by the corporate media. Debating imperialism is a bit like debating the pros and cons of rape. What can we say? That we really miss it? In any case, New Imperialism is already upon us. It's a remodeled, streamlined version of what we once knew. For the first time in history, a single empire with an arsenal of weapons that could obliterate the world in an afternoon has complete, unipolar, economic and military hegemony. It uses different weapons to break open different markets. There isn't a country on God's earth that is not caught in the cross hairs of the American cruise missile and the IMF checkbook. Argentina's the model if you want to be the poster boy of neoliberal capitalism, Iraq if you're the black sheep. Poor countries that are geopolitically of strategic value to Empire, or have a market of any size, or infrastructure that can be privatized, or, God forbid, natural resources of value oil, gold, diamonds, cobalt, coal must do as they're told or become military targets. Those with the greatest reserves of natural wealth are most at risk. Unless they surrender their resources willingly to the corporate machine, civil unrest will be fomented or war will be waged. In this new age of empire, when nothing is as it appears to be, executives of concerned companies are allowed to influence foreign policy decisions. The Center for Public Integrity in Washington found that at least nine out of the thirty members of the Bush Administration's Defense Policy Board were connected to companies that were awarded military contracts for $76 billion between 2001 and 2002. George Shultz, former Secretary of State, was chairman of the Committee for the Liberation of Iraq. He is also on the board of directors of the Bechtel Group. When asked about a conflict of interest in the case of war in Iraq he said, I don't know that Bechtel would particularly benefit from it. But if there's work to be done, Bechtel is the type of company that could do it. But nobody looks at it as something you benefit from. In April 2003, Bechtel signed a $680 million contract for reconstruction. This brutal blueprint has been used over and over again across Latin America, in Africa and in Central and Southeast Asia. It has cost millions of lives. It goes without saying that every war Empire wages becomes a Just War. This, in large part, is due to the role of the corporate media. It's important to understand that the corporate media don't just support the neoliberal project. They are the neoliberal project. This is not a moral position they have chosen to take; it's structural. It's intrinsic to the economics of how the mass media work. Most nations have adequately hideous family secrets. So it isn't often necessary for the media to lie. It's all in the editing what's emphasized and what's ignored. Say, for example, India was chosen as the target for a righteous war. The fact that about 80,000 people have been killed in Kashmir since 1989, most of them Muslim, most of them by Indian security forces (making the average death toll about 6,000 a year); the fact that in February and March of 2002 more than 2,000 Muslims were murdered on the streets of Gujarat, that women were gang-raped and children were burned alive and 150,000 driven from their homes while the police and administration watched and sometimes actively participated; the fact that no one has been punished for these crimes and the government that oversaw them was re-elected...all of this would make perfect headlines in international newspapers in the run-up to war. Next thing we know, our cities will be leveled by cruise missiles, our villages fenced in with razor wire, US soldiers will patrol our streets, and Narendra Modi, Pravin Togadia or any of our popular bigots will, like Saddam Hussein, be in US custody having their hair checked for lice and the fillings in their teeth examined on
Re: ugnet_: Kabaka to Meet Sudan Elders Over LRA Rebels - Vukoni
Hahahaha, you've got alot of comedy talk! Maybe you can become a cartoon with your body armor while I'm shooting! Aahahah, I'm just joking. So, what was your point?Vukoni Lupa-Lasaga [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear sister Zakoomu,Far from criticizing the Kabaka's action regarding the plight of those in the displaced people's camp in the north, I actually applauded it.But I do understand. You're in attack mode, and regardless of what I say, I'm damned. Fortunately, I'm wearing body armor, so I only feel a little pain where the bullet you fired struck!!! .-)vukoniAt 03:39 PM 1/25/2004 -0800, you wrote:Lupa-Lasaga:Okay, if the Kabaka traveled to W.Nile twice in the mid 90's to help draw attention to the plight of Sudanese refugees that was seriously good. The issue of the Sudanese refugees in W.Nile is different from the situation in the "internally displaced people's refugee camps" of Ugandans in Uganda being looted and killed by armed gangs while the UPDF is looking the other way.1st. the Sudanese left their country because of the southern Sudan war and came to Uganda for safety.2nd. West Nile is not as a violent place as compared to Acholi, Lango, Iteso interms of LRA activities. Go figure that out yourself.3rd. People in Acholi and Lango are being attacked from within Uganda in camps which they are said to be 'protected' by the UPDF.4th. Weigh the situation of Sudanese refugees in Uganda and that of Ugandans in the North Eastern.If West Nile is more of a safe place to visit than let's say Acholi, Lango, I would advise the King for security matters not to dare step his feet in Acholi or Lango and yet I'd advise him to visit a more safer West Nile. Security matters in these things. I know our King is smart, he can see through all these things and decide on what steps to take.I salute the KING for talking P-E-A-CE . Do you have anymore empty criticism??Zakoomu R.---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.563 / Virus Database: 355 - Release Date: 1/17/2004 Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it!
Re: ugnet_: note to Anyomokolo
jonah kasangwawo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyomokolo,when I said 'freak' I was referring to your attitude as regards to sex. Surely this does not mean that I know you !By the way, since you seem to have read this comment, then you must have also seen my other comments about your wayward sex life because they were in the same posting. Just forget that I called it 'lecture'.KasangwawoFrom: Anyomokolo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: ugnet_: note to AnyomokoloDate: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 14:25:34 -0500 (EST)Jonah writes:know you ! So why should I be disliking you?You read what I write. Don't you? Recently you said that I was indeed a freak. You don't even know me. How could you conclude that?Can you repost your nomadic lecture. I read Rehema's nomadism but not yours. Are you the same person? I don't think so! I know how you write when writing to a woman.Anyomokolo[EMAIL PROTECTED]jonah kasangwawo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:Anyomokolo,why are you saying that I disappeared ? Just recently I gave you a lectureabout your, er.. 'nomadic' sex life - didn't you see it ?But where do you get the idea that I don't like you ? Girl, I don't evenknow you ! So why should I be disliking you ?Kasangwawo From: Anyomokolo Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ugnet_: Kabaka to Meet Sudan Elders Over LRA Rebels Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 10:28:53 -0500 (EST) Jonah, I was wondering where you were becuase sinc e I came back you dissappeared as if you don't like me. How are you? Anyomokolo jonah kasangwawo wrote: Mw. Ssemakula, you are spot on ! When the Kabaka keeps quiet, they say he doesn't care. When he says or does something, the same people attack him for having done so. But what is most abominable are the lies they concoct along the way. The mouthpiece of the communications gang is telling us that this is the first time the Kabaka has said anything about the war in the north. Now, that is the mother of all lies. KasangwawoFrom: "J Ssemakula" Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ugnet_: Kabaka to Meet Sudan Elders Over LRA Rebels Dat e: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 01:23:06 +_ It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today! http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger ATTACHMENT part 2 message/rfc822 From: "J Ssemakula" To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ugnet_: Kabaka to Meet Sudan Elders Over LRA Rebels Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 01:23:06 + And here I was, thinking that bringing peace to Northern Uganda is more important than "the political status" whoever facilitates the process. I suppose, the end does not justify the means. I wonder, is there another agenda here or is it just the usual plain, garden variety, ntondo? Damned if you do, damned if you d on't ... Original Message Follows From: Owor Kipenji Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ugnet_: Kabaka to Meet Sudan Elders Over LRA Rebels Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 13:16:08 + (GMT) Why ask this question?.Has there even been a time in the History of the Kingdom,when the Kabaka was not political?. We really need a reality check here because even if Mu7 tells Ugandans that the restored Kingdoms are traditional institutions,he should know that culture per se can be used as a political tools and hence the rantings that the Kabaka is not political is a contradiction. Most of us may think the Kabaka is not political because he does not have authorities to levy taxes on his subjects and on those occupying his properties but that in itself does not mean he is apolitical because he can use his immense influence within the cultural context to cause mayhem for the pretenders to the throne like the NRM ideologues!. Remember how the Quebecors in Canada have adroitly used culture to make big political gains?. So lets' not be lulled into thinking that the Kabaka is not political.He is indeed the epitome of the political aspirations of most of his people so do not malign him. Thank you. Kipenji. === Mulindwa Edward wrote: Is the Kabaka political now? Em The Mulindwas Communication Group "With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy" Groupe de communication Mulindwas "avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie" - Original Message - From: J Ssemakula To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 8:57 PM Subject: Re: ugnet_: Kabaka to Meet Sudan Elders Over LRA RebelsLikewise, I salute the Kabaka for trying to search for peace to end the misery of our suffering brethren. Ssemakula Original Message Follows From: Rehema Mukooza Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ugnet_: Kabaka to Meet Sudan Elders Over LRA Rebels Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 09:41:40 -0800 (PST) I am pleased to see our King Ronald Mutebi extending his hand to try with other traditional
Re: ugnet_: note to Anyomokolo
I gotcha!jonah kasangwawo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyomokolo,when I said 'freak' I was referring to your attitude as regards to sex. Surely this does not mean that I know you !By the way, since you seem to have read this comment, then you must have also seen my other comments about your wayward sex life because they were in the same posting. Just forget that I called it 'lecture'.KasangwawoFrom: Anyomokolo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: ugnet_: note to AnyomokoloDate: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 14:25:34 -0500 (EST)Jonah writes:know you ! So why should I be disliking you?You read what I write. Don't you? Recently you said that I was indeed a freak. You don't even know me. How could you conclude that?Can you repost your nomadic lecture. I read Rehema's nomadism but not yours. Are you the same person? I don't think so! I know how you write when writing to a woman.Anyomokolo[EMAIL PROTECTED]jonah kasangwawo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:Anyomokolo,why are you saying that I disappeared ? Just recently I gave you a lectureabout your, er.. 'nomadic' sex life - didn't you see it ?But where do you get the idea that I don't like you ? Girl, I don't evenknow you ! So why should I be disliking you ?Kasangwawo From: Anyomokolo Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ugnet_: Kabaka to Meet Sudan Elders Over LRA Rebels Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 10:28:53 -0500 (EST) Jonah, I was wondering where you were becuase sinc e I came back you dissappeared as if you don't like me. How are you? Anyomokolo jonah kasangwawo wrote: Mw. Ssemakula, you are spot on ! When the Kabaka keeps quiet, they say he doesn't care. When he says or does something, the same people attack him for having done so. But what is most abominable are the lies they concoct along the way. The mouthpiece of the communications gang is telling us that this is the first time the Kabaka has said anything about the war in the north. Now, that is the mother of all lies. KasangwawoFrom: "J Ssemakula" Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ugnet_: Kabaka to Meet Sudan Elders Over LRA Rebels Dat e: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 01:23:06 +_ It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today! http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger ATTACHMENT part 2 message/rfc822 From: "J Ssemakula" To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ugnet_: Kabaka to Meet Sudan Elders Over LRA Rebels Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 01:23:06 + And here I was, thinking that bringing peace to Northern Uganda is more important than "the political status" whoever facilitates the process. I suppose, the end does not justify the means. I wonder, is there another agenda here or is it just the usual plain, garden variety, ntondo? Damned if you do, damned if you d on't ... Original Message Follows From: Owor Kipenji Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ugnet_: Kabaka to Meet Sudan Elders Over LRA Rebels Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 13:16:08 + (GMT) Why ask this question?.Has there even been a time in the History of the Kingdom,when the Kabaka was not political?. We really need a reality check here because even if Mu7 tells Ugandans that the restored Kingdoms are traditional institutions,he should know that culture per se can be used as a political tools and hence the rantings that the Kabaka is not political is a contradiction. Most of us may think the Kabaka is not political because he does not have authorities to levy taxes on his subjects and on those occupying his properties but that in itself does not mean he is apolitical because he can use his immense influence within the cultural context to cause mayhem for the pretenders to the throne like the NRM ideologues!. Remember how the Quebecors in Canada have adroitly used culture to make big political gains?. So lets' not be lulled into thinking that the Kabaka is not political.He is indeed the epitome of the political aspirations of most of his people so do not malign him. Thank you. Kipenji. === Mulindwa Edward wrote: Is the Kabaka political now? Em The Mulindwas Communication Group "With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy" Groupe de communication Mulindwas "avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie" - Original Message - From: J Ssemakula To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 8:57 PM Subject: Re: ugnet_: Kabaka to Meet Sudan Elders Over LRA RebelsLikewise, I salute the Kabaka for trying to search for peace to end the misery of our suffering brethren. Ssemakula Original Message Follows From: Rehema Mukooza Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ugnet_: Kabaka to Meet Sudan Elders Over LRA Rebels Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 09:41:40 -0800 (PST) I am pleased to see our King Ronald Mutebi extending his hand to try with other
RE: ugnet_: Kabaka to Meet Sudan Elders Over LRA Rebels
You are right on Mulindwa! Gook "You can't separate peace from freedom because no one can be at peace unless he has his freedom."- Malcom X Original Message Follows From: "Mulindwa Edward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>CC: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Subject: ugnet_: Kabaka to Meet Sudan Elders Over LRA Rebels Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 21:05:47 -0500 You know a good bunch of postings in this forum are not worth the time to respond, but this one surely deserves a second. You see it is such uncritical thinking and reasoning that Museveni feeds on. For example what makes one think that Uganda Districts are at war between each other? is Bunyoro's problem today Busoga? Is West Nile in confrontation with Lango? You can not put districts on a round table unless they are at log-heads. And Uganda districts are not. (Democratic and Cultural) What does that exactly mean? Is Buganda at war with West Nile for West Nile girls do not kneel down when they are greeting people yet Baganda girls do? So you want to put these two districts at a round ta ble to discuss their differences? Red this one " Political parties should contest in regional politics (democratic) and traditional / cultural posts should be left to be set through traditional customs and norms. The separation of democratic politics from cultural politics should emphasized even if both kinds of politics will at one point or the other get intertwined, They'll have to be separated, written in the law of the land." What exactly does that sentence mean? sounds like "We have allot of unknowns that we know we do not know whether we know them, but when we know what we do not know we will tell you when we know what we do not know" Huh? How can you get an entity in Uganda which runs the political arena and the cultural arena at the same time? Look "Separation of democratic politics from cultural politics should be emphasized even if both kinds of politics will at one point or the other get intertwined" So am I to understand that the intertwining of Buganda c ultural and political matters have tought us nothing so far, or it is me on dope? And how do you separate regional and national politics by law, "By law" yet at times it will be intertwined? Are we talking about federalism here or feudalism? It is such nonsense that has become Museveni's daily food bank, for on such suggestions he plans a round table to make Districts make a workable setting. It is these same brains that are today jumping with hoofs for Museveni wants to discuss the opening up of party politics. When will you ever learn Ugandans? For the record districts sit on a table to discuss how to use their resources if Federalism is introduced. Uganda's districts have no resources what so ever, everything has been grandly looted to the extent that even Kilembe mines has been closed. The entire north has been shut down for ages. More than half of Buganda's land has been sold to the Boers. What is it that is going to be put on the table to negoti ate with? What we need in uganda is leadership, we need a government, we need to start, we need to put our people back in homes. And Zakoomu is a classic example of how much Federalists hate Northern Uganda and Northerners, for there is no way any body with a brain of a pea size, can decide to make Northern Uganda a federal State today. These are people who have been destroyed by their government, it has been a government policy to destroy the North, these people have not slept in homes for 20 years, and the only way North can get on their feet both financially and psychologically is by being up lifted by the rest of the entire nation. it is sad that the federalists want to abandon Northern Uganda to its own. But hey what do you expect from a bunch of people who have a philosophy based on miss information and disinformation, being fade on a society of the Zakoomu's who are un critical thinkers? It sucks trust me. And we might be quite but we are watching, be ware. Em The Mulindwas Communication Group "With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy" Groupe de communication Mulindwas "avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie" - Original Message - From: Rehema Mukooza To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2004 7:07 PM Subject: Re: ugnet_: Kabaka to Meet Sudan Elders Over LRA Rebels Lupa-Lasaga: You've got a nice point here with your question: What is the best strategy for bringing about federalism in Uganda? Below are my contributions towards an answer. 1st. getting all districts under "regions" together at the round table and discuss their union and how they are going to make things work in their union. 2nd. getting regions (Busoga, Bunyoro, Acholi, Lango, W.Nile, Ankole, Tooro, Kigezi, etc) to form workable settings of their governing administrations (democratic cultural) within and around. 3rd. getting all r egions together on the national table to discuss key issues of the federation. I refer
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