Re: Term Asian is not used properly on Computers and NET

2001-05-30 Thread Thomas Chan
On Tue, 29 May 2001, David Gallardo wrote: Please excuse the unintended querulousness, but isn't the Greenwich meridian merely the reification of this bias? [snip] Nonetheless, and more to my point, the terms Near East and Far East were in use long before this. There are also terms like

Re: Term Asian is not used properly on Computers and NET

2001-05-30 Thread N.R.Liwal
Mr. Thomas Chan is right, on the Internet if one search with word Asian it most of the time lead to CJK Sites. Liwal - Original Message - Folks, this discussion was about how to label a control in a dialog box, as in the attached image. You can't use a label like that. It may have

Re: Unicode-based Cyrillic-Latin transliteration table

2001-05-30 Thread DougEwell2
In a message dated 2001-05-29 4:28:09 Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The goal is to improve an existing program I wrote which automatically detects the encoding form of Cyrillic text (8-bit character sets such as DOS CP 866, Windows CP 1251, or KOI-8, as well as UTF-8)

Re: UTF-8S (was: Re: ISO vs Unicode UTF-8)

2001-05-30 Thread DougEwell2
In a message dated 2001-05-29 12:42:38 Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: How long is the past? I remember reading about these surrogates the first time I put my hands on a draft copy of ISO 10646. It was nearly six years ago. Surrogate range was defined there but no

Re: UTF-8S (was: Re: ISO vs Unicode UTF-8)

2001-05-30 Thread DougEwell2
In a message dated 2001-05-29 11:20:48 Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The point is that while the UTC did not endorse this proposal as of May 23, 2001, the pressure to create a UTF-8S is rising, and there is no guarantee that the UTC will not sway to such support in

RECOMMENDATIONs( Term Asian is not used properly on Computers and NET)

2001-05-30 Thread N.R.Liwal
 TERM ASIAIN COMPUTER INTERNET (RECOMMENDATIONS UNICODE LIST "MAY 2001") So far the recomendations are, that "Asian Text Fonts" can be called: -Han Fonts or Hanzi Fonts -"East Asian Unified" Fonts -"East Asian" Fonts Script Can be classified as: -languages which Han ideographs

RE: Braille vs Bidi

2001-05-30 Thread Marco Cimarosti
Kenneth Whistler wrote: Shouldn't they be Left-to-right? Does any Right-to-Left Braille exist anywhere in the world? I doubt it. But if Marco is correct that Hebrew braille is left-to-right, there could conceivably be some exemplary printed materials in Hebrew, with braille examples,

FW: Replies from Rosetta director.

2001-05-30 Thread Marco Cimarosti
Jim Mason, director of the Rosetta project, has replied to a couple of Unicode List messages. But he wrote to [EMAIL PROTECTED] (the Unicode Digest Mode) rather to [EMAIL PROTECTED]. This was my fault to mislead Jim there: in a private message, I referred him to the YahooGroops archive, calling

Re: Unicode-based Cyrillic-Latin transliteration table

2001-05-30 Thread Keld Jørn Simonsen
On Wed, May 30, 2001 at 02:31:19AM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 2001-05-29 4:28:09 Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The goal is to improve an existing program I wrote which automatically detects the encoding form of Cyrillic text (8-bit character

Re: Term Asian is not used properly on Computers and NET

2001-05-30 Thread N.R.Liwal
I think they are used in Western Media, but not in Asian Media! Liwal - Original Message - From: David Gallardo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Nonetheless, and more to my point, the terms Near East and Far East were in use long before this.

Re: Term Asian is not used properly on Computers and NET

2001-05-30 Thread N.R.Liwal
Nonetheless, and more to my point, the terms Near East and Far East were in use long before this. I think they are used in Western Media, but not in Asian Media! Liwal

RE: Radical of U+4E71

2001-05-30 Thread Marco Cimarosti
I (Marco Cimarosti) wrote: Tendo wrote: I thought the radical was tongue, not hook. Nope, it is neither tongue nor hook. The radical of U+4E82 is number 5 (second). [...] BTW, the Unicode radical of U+4E59 is derived from [...] the radical of the Kang Xi dictionary: Sorry to reply to

Re: UTF-8S (was: Re: ISO vs Unicode UTF-8)

2001-05-30 Thread Peter_Constable
On 05/30/2001 01:31:17 AM Doug Ewell wrote: I hate to say it, but this is really damaging my faith in the standardization process... I don't (and shouldn't) have the ability to pressure the UTC to approve a new encoding form to make up for my inability to conform to the existing ones, and

RE: Braille vs Bidi

2001-05-30 Thread Thomas Chan
On Wed, 30 May 2001, Marco Cimarosti wrote: Kenneth Whistler wrote: I doubt it. But if Marco is correct that Hebrew braille is left-to-right, there could conceivably be some exemplary printed materials in Hebrew, with braille examples, [...] There is a very nice book about how braille

Some Char. to Glyph Statistics, Pan/Single Font

2001-05-30 Thread James E. Agenbroad
Wednesday, May 30, 2001 Attached is a note I wrote in September 1993 about the ratio of characters to glyphs in several Indic scripts. Much has changed on the Unicode front since then, but I think the need for rendering software to decide which of many

Re: Some Char. to Glyph Statistics, Pan/Single Font

2001-05-30 Thread Eric Muller
You may be interested by Creating and supporting OpenType fonts for Indic scripts and Creating and supporting OpenType fonts for Arabic scripts, both available at http://www.microsoft.com/typography/tt/tt.htm. To give a little bit of context, the OpenType architecture separates shaping in two

Re: UTF-8S (was: Re: ISO vs Unicode UTF-8)

2001-05-30 Thread Kenneth Whistler
Doug Ewell wrote: The proponents of UTF-8S are vigorously and actively campaigning for their proposal. In standardization committees, proposals that have committed, active proponents who can aim for the long haul, often have a way of getting adopted in one form or another, unless

Re: ISO vs Unicode UTF-8 (was RE: UTF-8 signature in web and email)

2001-05-30 Thread Simon Law
Hi Folks, Over the last few days, this email thread has generated many interesting discussions on the proposal of UTF-8s. At the same time some speculations have been generated on why Oracle is asking for this encoding form. I hope to clarify some of these misinformation in this email. In

RE: ISO vs Unicode UTF-8 (was RE: UTF-8 signature in web and email)

2001-05-30 Thread Ayers, Mike
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] According to the proposal, UTF-8S and UTF-32S would not have the same status: they wouldn't be for interchange; they'd just be for representation internal to a given system, like UTF-EBCDIC (which, I think I heard, has not actually

Re: Some Char. to Glyph Statistics, Pan/Single Font

2001-05-30 Thread Jungshik Shin
On Wed, 30 May 2001, James E. Agenbroad wrote: Thank you for interesting piece of information. Wednesday, May 30, 2001 Attached is a note I wrote in September 1993 about the ratio of characters to glyphs in several Indic scripts. Much has changed

RE: ISO vs Unicode UTF-8 (was RE: UTF-8 signature in web and email)

2001-05-30 Thread Carl W. Brown
Simon, Thanks for the information. I am very glad that Oracle will be supporting these characters sets properly. I look forward to using 9i. Since Oracle will transform the Unicode from one encoding to another at the API layer, I don't see why users can not retrieve the data in a single

Re: ISO vs Unicode UTF-8 (was RE: UTF-8 signature in web and email)

2001-05-30 Thread Michael \(michka\) Kaplan
Simon, Would you care to answer (officially) why exactly Oracle needs for anything to be done here? Per the spec, it is not illegal for a process to interpret 5/6-byte supplementary characters; it is only illegal to emit them. It seems that Oracle and everyone else is well covered with the

RE: Unicode-based Cyrillic-Latin transliteration table

2001-05-30 Thread Asmus Freytag
At 12:02 AM 5/29/01 -0700, James Williams wrote: Can someone please help me understand whether support for double byte is the same as being Unicode compliant. Any elaboration would be greatly appreciated. If for instance, being Unicode compliant has any additional value/benefits, etc... I'd like

Re: ISO vs Unicode UTF-8 (was RE: UTF-8 signature in web and email)

2001-05-30 Thread Michael \(michka\) Kaplan
Simon, Would you care to answer (officially) why exactly Oracle needs for anything to be done here? Per the spec, it is not illegal for a process to interpret 5/6-byte supplementary characters; it is only illegal to emit them. It seems that Oracle and everyone else is well covered with the